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 Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: BMCD]
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02/15/17 03:23 PM
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Kay Dyson
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Falcon and Amistad have alot of fish be taken off the lake, TB too. But they produce big fish. Catch and release does not work perfectly if your not harvesting some of the fish. I'm not an expert by any means, but I believe and agree with, some selective harvest is needed. If they would just leave the brood stock alone... I'm excited to see these results from the WR project.. 
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 03:39 PM
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Bullet20XrD
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 So out of all the trophy bass they took out of the lakes and all of the 13+ lb bass that have been killed in attempt to get them in the program it is a success because a single 13 lb fish was caught that can be attributed to the program. That's a hell of an expensive 13 lb bass in money, time, and effort. That's the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Leave those big bastards in the lake and just let them spawn in their natural environment. If the program worked, there would be lakes that aren't big fish factories turning into big fish factories. So far, all we've done is pull big fish out of our big fish factory lakes. The lakes that have traditionally been good for big fish are still good for big fish and the lakes that aren't, still aren't. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that habitat and forage are what grows big ones... genetics will help but not to the extent that everyone thinks they do. It's just like breeding deer, you can have the best genes in the world, but if they don't have good habitat and good food they aren't going to reach their potential. Don't get me wrong, I think the stockings do help the number of fish being caught in some lakes... but all I hear about is their goal to produce a state or world record. If that is their goal, then a single 13 lb fish is far from a success.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 03:40 PM
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Billy_Lawson
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Remember guys there were two 13's caught on fork that were not turned in last week so we can never know where they came from but we are all aware of the significant involvement in the program with that lake both giving and receiving.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 03:41 PM
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K.D.
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Did you miss the part that said it normally takes 11 yrs for a fish to get to 13 lbs? This fish was stocked in 2006 and here it is 11 yrs later. This is the first. It was one of 6 lakes they used for the program.
And unimproved, Marine Creek is hardly a big fish factory
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
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02/15/17 03:43 PM
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Bullet20XrD
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Did you miss the part that said it normally takes 11 yrs for a fish to get to 13 lbs? This fish was stocked in 2006 and here it is 11 yrs later. This is the first Program has been going on for damn near 30 years. According to that timeline we should be on our 2nd crop by now.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 03:51 PM
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K.D.
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People are getting the Share a lunker program and this Operation World Record program confused. This was a specific stocking on 6 lakes done in 2006. These fish had implants in them. This one is the first to reach 13 lbs with the implant in it.
Reread the first link and focus on the Operation WR stocking instead of share a lunker and it makes more sense. When I first read this I was surprised they aren't now calling it what they did in 2006. The article was confusing in that aspect
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: BMCD]
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02/15/17 04:44 PM
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ChuChu1
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Falcon and Amistad have alot of fish be taken off the lake, TB too. But they produce big fish. Catch and release does not work perfectly if your not harvesting some of the fish. That is so true of Fayette.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 04:48 PM
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: Bullet20XrD]
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02/15/17 05:58 PM
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Mark Perry
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So out of all the trophy bass they took out of the lakes and all of the 13+ lb bass that have been killed in attempt to get them in the program it is a success because a single 13 lb fish was caught that can be attributed to the program. That's a hell of an expensive 13 lb bass in money, time, and effort. That's the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Leave those big bastards in the lake and just let them spawn in their natural environment. If the program worked, there would be lakes that aren't big fish factories turning into big fish factories. So far, all we've done is pull big fish out of our big fish factory lakes. The lakes that have traditionally been good for big fish are still good for big fish and the lakes that aren't, still aren't. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that habitat and forage are what grows big ones... genetics will help but not to the extent that everyone thinks they do. It's just like breeding deer, you can have the best genes in the world, but if they don't have good habitat and good food they aren't going to reach their potential. Don't get me wrong, I think the stockings do help the number of fish being caught in some lakes... but all I hear about is their goal to produce a state or world record. If that is their goal, then a single 13 lb fish is far from a success. Not a lot of habitat or a crazy amount of forage at Marine Creek. Plus it has a ton of urban fishing pressure.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 06:09 PM
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Can anyone explain to me what is so special about a 13 lb. bass that is 11 years old?
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: fouzman]
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02/15/17 06:20 PM
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nitroslim
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Can anyone explain to me what is so special about a 13 lb. bass that is 11 years old? I thought the same thing. I live close to MC. Have only been on it once in 2017 and maybe once or twice in 2016 and did more graphing than anything, just trying out settings, etc. Caught one about 3 lbs offshore working what I think is an old pond dam. I saw another post a while back where a TPWD biologist noted that the lake was not big enough to support a large BIG shad population, ( I think it may have a small Mini Shad one) so it was not a viable lake to be stocked every year. With the Grass gone, I would doubt a large population of big fish would exist, but I know of two 10lb class fish caught last year. All in all, its a great catch and unexpected, even with the share lunker stocking. come on out and try your luck, but remember, its idle only.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: fouzman]
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02/15/17 06:49 PM
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Can anyone explain to me what is so special about a 13 lb. bass that is 11 years old? Well it's was from a secondary program the state did. An off shoot from Sharealunker
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 07:03 PM
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buda13
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I'd like to jump in here and say.... I love me some TPWD. We are very fortunate to have one of if not the best Fish and Game management entities in the entire country.
Glad to see a SAL come out of Marine Creek, since it was stocked with the SAL fry as a part of operation World Record I would always wonder while passing the lake if it was every going to kick out a giant. Hopefully with some increased fishing traffic on the lake some more will be caught!
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: fouzman]
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02/15/17 07:06 PM
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Jeezy
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Can anyone explain to me what is so special about a 13 lb. bass that is 11 years old? See, this has always been my thinking as well. Maybe it's there and I haven't seen it, but I've yet to see the genetic argument for these big fish. It seems like they are just old fish that have lived long enough to grow that size. I would expect an 11 year old fish to be a big fish.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/15/17 07:13 PM
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Dr JL
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Idk. Used to be a bigger fan. I'm all for trying the genetic angle but sometimes it takes a lot of failures to find success.
Unfortunately, all the other factors (besides just pure vs enhanced Florida genetics) seem to be more important to producing record bass.
Still a huge fan of our stocking in general.
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