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Re: California knot
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03/18/16 01:07 PM
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Yep, sounds like either the doubled uni, the doubled San Diego Jam, or the doubled Pitzen Doubled San Diego Jam Doubled uni Doubled Pitzen
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Re: California knot
[Re: Flooringit]
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03/18/16 02:53 PM
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Brad R
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Yes, we discussed Shaw's knot already: a doubled San Diego Jam with only 3 wraps. San Diego knots, in all of their variations, wrap "down" toward the terminal tackle. It is also called a reverse cinch knot.
Collincountytx has the right idea: it needs to be some sort of a "doubled" line knot because that creates a loop that is trimmed off and then, too, the tag end of the doubled line. I guess someone could add this up as 3 tag ends.
*** Why not so with a Palomar knot, a "doubled" knot, itself? It has only a single tag end to cut?
Because the loop on a Palomar knot is pulled over the top of the terminal tackle and acts as an anchor.
Same thing with the Power knot: at the end of its "down" wraps, the loop is pulled over the terminal tackle and anchors the wraps.
If is wasn't so in the case of a Palomar knot, it would have about the same effectiveness as the knot we use to tie our shoelaces. This simple knot has two things going for it: two lines passing through the eye to spread the load . . . and the loop anchor.
Brad
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Re: California knot
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03/18/16 05:02 PM
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ezbassin
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The double Pitzen is a very strong knot and you will have 3 tag ends when you complete the knot.
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Re: California knot
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03/18/16 06:35 PM
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The way I tie the knot, I end up with 3 tag ends and the wraps moving "up", away from the terminal tackle. You're doubling the line through the eye, holding, wrapping (I wrap 4 times), and then pull tight while you hold the folded over line. Once you pull, the original tag end AND the held loop ends coming through the top of the knot towards the rod tip. Maybe I'm doing it a little different than he does. But this is the strongest knot that I have found on flourocarbon. Matter of fact I've caught over 35 fish in the past 2 days on the same knot without re tying.
Last edited by LinkLowrance; 03/18/16 06:36 PM.
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Re: California knot
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03/18/16 09:24 PM
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Ok so I stopped in talked to him again today he said he's never heard it called anything else. He said to look up the grisby knot. He said he ties his a little different though. So idk. It was to busy to ask him to tie it again. I'll watch the video again see if I can figure it out. I remember her twisted it like 7 times
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Re: California knot
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03/18/16 11:31 PM
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Looks like I need to pick one and start practacing
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Re: California knot
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03/21/16 01:41 PM
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ezbassin
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That is the double Pitzen knot, the one that Shaw Grigsby demonstrates.
Last edited by ezbassin; 03/21/16 01:42 PM.
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Re: California knot
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03/21/16 01:46 PM
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ezbassin
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Yes, we discussed Shaw's knot already: a doubled San Diego Jam with only 3 wraps.
Brad Shaw is doing a demonstration of the double Pitzen knot. The San Diego Jam knot is slightly different with one more additional step to complete the knot. The double Pitzen has never failed me. I use it all the time when tying on large or heavy baits.
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Re: California knot
[Re: ezbassin]
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03/21/16 03:08 PM
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Brad R
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Yes, we discussed Shaw's knot already: a doubled San Diego Jam with only 3 wraps.
Brad Shaw is doing a demonstration of the double Pitzen knot. The San Diego Jam knot is slightly different with one more additional step to complete the knot. The double Pitzen has never failed me. I use it all the time when tying on large or heavy baits. Yes, double Pitzen fits well here for Shaw's knot. A Pitzen is the same knot as a Eugene Bend, a "16-20", a "Fisherman's knot" . . . and a standard San Diego Jam. It is an "Improved San Diego Jam" that is different with the tag end or loop being passed through the loop down at the terminal tackle end, then again at the top. That is what supposedly "improves" it. Most knots, as several of us have mentioned, go by several names with many folks wanting to give us the idea that they "invented" it. Not likely: most have been around for centuries. Here is another pro fisherman tying a single San Diego Jam . . . note that he doesn't run through the bottom loop near the lure, just through the loop up and away. A single, not double line, more wraps than Shaw uses, but the same knot mechanics. One calls in a Pitzen, the other a San Diego. Go figure! Brad San Diego "unimproved" knot or is it a Pitzen?
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Re: California knot
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03/21/16 03:34 PM
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ezbassin
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Yea Brad and another example of that is a knot called the fish n fool knot that is one of those "newly invented" knots or someone taking credit for inventing it. You begin by running the tag end through the eyelet or split ring twice before tying a standard uni knot. Not really a "new" knot, just slight variation. The Uni has been around for a long long time, way before the "fish n fool" knot.
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Re: California knot
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03/21/16 11:11 PM
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Brad R
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ezbassin,
I occasionally tie my Uni that way . . . looping through twice for bit more bite. Most times not though.
And, yet another name for a uni knot and what quite a few people call it: a Grinner knot.
Some tie a Grinner knot running it through the eye twice like that.
You know what a lot of this tells me?
Many knots are extremely good if tied correctly; most knots are extremely bad if tied incorrectly.
Some knots are a bit more specific to a particular line or circumstance. For example, a San Diego Jam is a great knot if you are tying on a really large lure with treble hooks hanging off of it.
And, use the knot you tie best.
Brad
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