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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/04/15 08:24 PM
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Bud B
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In tough cover, I use a palomar. The rest of the time, I use a loop.
The palomar is stronger, but if you're fishing vertically, you have to slide that palomar toward the back of the jig to get the jig sitting horizontally, like it should. Every time you give a pull on the line, you'll need to slide the palomar again.
With a loop knot, and a jig with good balance, the jig is always sitting at the horizontal position, just like you want.
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/04/15 08:26 PM
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bush hog
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I like the loop knot. If I can't hook em then I can just rope em!
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/04/15 09:04 PM
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MuskogeeMac
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I like the loop knot unless I'm fishing heavy brush in my slip
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: BrazosRiverTom]
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03/04/15 09:05 PM
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rockhopper
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..... when you feel the bite jerk hard like you would a bass.... pole will absorb the shock of setting the hook hard and your drag will handle the rest. Being a former bass angler, its hard for me not to quickly and firmly set the hook. Some habits are hard to break. I think Tom's statement above makes total sense. Being a guide, the biggest problem I see for novice anglers is not setting the hook fast enough. To me, a fast hook set equals a firm or hard hook set- its almost impossible to set the hook fast and light because of the momentum of the rod. A reel with a good drag set at just the right amount will slip and not rip the hook out. Reverse cinch is my knot of choice because of the speed in which I can tie one on.
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/04/15 09:51 PM
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Fishbonz
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I find that by opening the barb just a little thus exposing more of the hook, results in better hook sets no matter what knot.It`s just a little thing but makes a big difference
HE aka Fishbonz
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: bush hog]
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03/04/15 10:10 PM
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bogey♂
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I like the loop knot. If I can't hook em then I can just rope em!
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Bud B]
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03/04/15 10:39 PM
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Jon
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In tough cover, I use a palomar. The rest of the time, I use a loop.
The palomar is stronger, but if you're fishing vertically, you have to slide that palomar toward the back of the jig to get the jig sitting horizontally, like it should. Every time you give a pull on the line, you'll need to slide the palomar again.
With a loop knot, and a jig with good balance, the jig is always sitting at the horizontal position, just like you want. This is pretty much my experience also - at least with mono. I had terrible luck with loop knots on braid. My jigs hang plenty horizontal enough to suit me on a loop knot and i think it gives them a little better action as well. With a tight knot, I have to always pull it back down the eye, even on a missed bite or banging onto a piece of brush. I'm bad about forgetting to do that each and every time. But of course with braid I don't have a choice so I have to remember. If a loop knot would work on braid, I'd use it there too. I'm not convinced that either one has an effect on where the fish get hooked because i've used both types enough to think that's not it. I think where they get hooked has more to do with how sharp the hook is (I'm anal about sharpening my hooks - even new ones) And the other factor being how aggressive they are biting (sucking it in) a good hard jarring thump usually gets them in the roof of the mouth. A little barely perceptible thump is likely to be further out in their lips. I think a badly dull hook will hardly ever get them in the roof of their mouth.
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/04/15 10:52 PM
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Thump My Jig
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Loop knot and good, balanced jig.. Then just leave the livewell lid open... lol
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/04/15 10:55 PM
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Carver
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I know this seems to be focused on how jigs do or don't hang, but with live bait there is no comparison with the swimming action the loop allows the bait.
It seems to me a majority of my hits on jigs are on the fall or rise getting to depth or new depth which it is definitly not "hanging" anyway,,,. SO as simple minded as I am I use it on both almost exclusively and enjoy the simplicity and speed of rigging.
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Carver]
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03/04/15 11:22 PM
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Thump My Jig
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I know this seems to be focused on how jigs do or don't hang, but with live bait there is no comparison with the swimming action the loop allows the bait.
It seems to me a majority of my hits on jigs are on the fall or rise getting to depth or new depth which it is definitly not "hanging" anyway,,,. SO as simple minded as I am I use it on both almost exclusively and enjoy the simplicity and speed of rigging. Good point, I see the same.. I think it's a confidence thing with me. With the loop knot, I know the jig is floating/hanging horizontal and that makes me more confident in fishing it.... With other knots I'm always checking it and re-adjusting it to hang the the way I like which results in less time getting thumped!
Last edited by Thump My Jig; 03/04/15 11:24 PM.
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: rockhopper]
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03/05/15 12:43 AM
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Ketchn
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..... when you feel the bite jerk hard like you would a bass.... pole will absorb the shock of setting the hook hard and your drag will handle the rest. Being a former bass angler, its hard for me not to quickly and firmly set the hook. Some habits are hard to break. I think Tom's statement above makes total sense. Being a guide, the biggest problem I see for novice anglers is not setting the hook fast enough. To me, a fast hook set equals a firm or hard hook set- its almost impossible to set the hook fast and light because of the momentum of the rod. A reel with a good drag set at just the right amount will slip and not rip the hook out. Reverse cinch is my knot of choice because of the speed in which I can tie one on. words of wisdom i think right there for sure sir if you hang with me you will hear my drag give a lil bit on EVERY hook set have been known to lift my feet off the deck on em if I am standing up Mr. Rollins even had to ask me to ease up on em when I went with him not that other knots don't work I just like that knot on mono and I fish way more with 4 to 6 lb mono than braid and yawl thought I was just kiddin round about the ....??? yep here it comes KABOOM
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Fishbonz]
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03/05/15 01:22 AM
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crapicat
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I find that by opening the barb just a little thus exposing more of the hook, results in better hook sets no matter what knot.It`s just a little thing but makes a big difference Totally Agree Fishbonz. I seldom use a loop knot except on the top hook of a double rig... basically I break loop knots too much fishing in heavy structure...improved clinch knot is my goto...
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/05/15 01:33 AM
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larry mays
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Knots are like jigs, there is a lot of them just learn to use the all. They all have there time and place.
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Ketchn]
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03/05/15 02:01 AM
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Sandwich Maker
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I've been doing something wrong. With the various braids I've tried I"ve always used a loop knot and can't remember ever having one come undone. Broke lots of hooks and got in a hurry a few times and put a nasty cut on my hand trying to pull a jig free, but no knot failures. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: loop knot ?
[Re: Sandwich Maker]
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03/05/15 02:46 AM
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Jon
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I've been doing something wrong. With the various braids I've tried I"ve always used a loop knot and can't remember ever having one come undone. Broke lots of hooks and got in a hurry a few times and put a nasty cut on my hand trying to pull a jig free, but no knot failures. What am I doing wrong? Well I don't know what you're doing wrong either but I sure would like to learn it so I can start doing mine wrong like you. I'm going to try and find some illustration of what I'm tying and if you want to learn one that breaks real easy with braid, you can use mine. Then if you want, maybe you can help me figure out what's different on yours? I'd sure appreciate it. edit> OK that didn't take long. Turns out what I've been tying is actually called a dropper loop. dropper loop illustrated I use it for both jigs if doing a tandem and trim the tag end off close on the bottom or if a single. I'm guessing this probably is not the same loop knot you're using?
Last edited by Jon; 03/05/15 02:54 AM. Reason: found my knot
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