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Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: tx_basser] #10164985 07/25/14 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: tx_basser
We are basically giving his family a High Fence bass fishery to be passed on for generations, and used as a means of income generation.


Well, this is a really unfair and misleading thing to say.

The owner has spent millions of his own dollars on this project. He built everything himself, and honestly, I think it's fair to say that he would have probably been fine without the state.

I understand the concern about public money being used for private enterprise, but I also understand that type of thing happens all the time, in a number of ways. I think, fairly, it would be appropriate to rate the severity of misuse on a scale.

I can think of much more horrible examples of misused money, and as I have said, on a scale, this just doesn't rank very high.

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Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Jordan Shipley] #10165003 07/25/14 09:24 PM
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Where was all this outrage and questioning when we were stuck with the fresh water fishing stamp that was suppose to go away after 5 years but never did??? hammer

Cant believe all this fuss over some fry/fingerlings when so many are sound asleep on more important things like the fresh water fishing stamp that is costing us fishermen millions of dollars every year when it shouldn't be. I guess pocket change is more important than dollar bills though..........or so it would seem.

Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Jordan Shipley] #10165019 07/25/14 09:32 PM
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Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: musiclife_7] #10165023 07/25/14 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: musiclife_7
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#1 TPWD cares nothing about improving the bass fishing in Texas.

#2 LA Perla cares nothing about improving the bass fishing in Texas.

#3 These marketing or save face post need to be in plugs or announcements.There should be monthly a "La Perla giveaway" for all of this free promotion on the TFF.

#4 Lot's of talk for a lake that has only produced 12lb fish. If a record is coming from private water, Camelot Bell has the better chance and is years ahead of La Perla. Camelot Bell genetics dominate over anything that TPWD could offer.



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I think he needs to slash his wrist with a rusty razor...



Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Ken A.] #10165035 07/25/14 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ken A.


I think he needs to slash his wrist with a rusty razor...




Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: JacksonBean] #10165088 07/25/14 09:54 PM
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So for the record, if none of the conditions in this experiment can/will be duplicated in public waters, how will this benefit Texas fishing in general? Maybe that has already been answered in another post but if it was I missed it.




It's called the scientific method. We use scientific controls to better isolate an independent variable and weigh its effect on the outcome. It's actually the onus of those who started the SAL program. Will we realize that the individuality of the genetics of micropterus salmoides floridanus be deemed a non-factor 20 years from now? Possibly. Does it mean the experiments shouldn't be done just because you found out you were wrong? Absolutely not.





On the surface it sure doesn't seem like a lot of science is involved. You are putting fish into a controlled environment, no predators and all the high protein food they can eat without really working for it. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that they will get bigger quicker. I know that is oversimplification but bottom line, from what we have been told about this experiment, that is what is going on.

Put those same fish or their offspring in a public lake where the food supply is not as good or as plentiful, predators have to be avoided and they have to work for their food, the result is they will not get as big as quick.

Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Ken A.] #10165105 07/25/14 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ken A.
Originally Posted By: musiclife_7
Originally Posted By: Jersey Dan
#1 TPWD cares nothing about improving the bass fishing in Texas.

#2 LA Perla cares nothing about improving the bass fishing in Texas.

#3 These marketing or save face post need to be in plugs or announcements.There should be monthly a "La Perla giveaway" for all of this free promotion on the TFF.

#4 Lot's of talk for a lake that has only produced 12lb fish. If a record is coming from private water, Camelot Bell has the better chance and is years ahead of La Perla. Camelot Bell genetics dominate over anything that TPWD could offer.



Bro...I think you need a hug.


I think he needs to slash his wrist with a rusty razor...



Damn Kenny... hahaha. You must be mad about something... How is the fishing at Camelot? Been out there lately? lol

Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: LakeForkGroupie] #10165122 07/25/14 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: LakeForkGroupie
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I'm not big on taxpayer money going to private lakes.. Lake McQueeney is an example.. Taxpayer dollars help maintain and stock that lake, yet there is no public access to the lake.. I would like to fish it, but can't get to it..

If they want to do a "research lake" then the lake should be owned by TPWD.. If the public cant fish it, then nobody should get to fish it.. It's a research lake after all.. Correct ?


He can't fish it with out TPWD authority. It's TPWD lake on his property for 15 yrs. After that he can have it back. It cost TPWD some travel expenses and 7,000 fry.


Who says there was no "nod and a wink" when TPWD said he can't fish it. I would be the probably has a nice pretty closed and locked gate that TPWD would have to enter to catch him or anyone else fishing it.

Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: 5Redman8] #10165147 07/25/14 10:23 PM
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"Who says there was no "nod and a wink" when TPWD said he can't fish it. I would be the probably has a nice pretty closed and locked gate that TPWD would have to enter to catch him or anyone else fishing it."

You know there is a rather large difference between challenging the efficacy of the project or the possible results or even the methods used, but this kind of goes directly to the integrity of the Dr. and going there will never end well.


Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Chet] #10165173 07/25/14 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Chet
"Who says there was no "nod and a wink" when TPWD said he can't fish it. I would be the probably has a nice pretty closed and locked gate that TPWD would have to enter to catch him or anyone else fishing it."

You know there is a rather large difference between challenging the efficacy of the project or the possible results or even the methods used, but this kind of goes directly to the integrity of the Dr. and going there will never end well.


Agree with this completely. No basis for questioning the Dr's integrity without absolute proof. There has been no indication at all that him or anyone from the TPW are doing anything unethical.

Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Jordan Shipley] #10165177 07/25/14 10:39 PM
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Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Jordan Shipley] #10165183 07/25/14 10:44 PM
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Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Jordan Shipley] #10165273 07/25/14 11:17 PM
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I wonder what Fork would have been like if the original brood ponds were developed and managed this way.


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Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: Big Swimbait] #10165317 07/25/14 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: Big Swimbait
I wonder what Fork would have been like if the original brood ponds were developed and managed this way.


Unless you can replicate the entire lake to support the same water quality, forage, etc., I suspect it would be no different.

Re: TPWD stocking SAL fingerlings in Jalisco Lake (La Perla) [Re: soonersorlaters] #10165341 07/25/14 11:37 PM
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I wonder what Fork would have been like if the original brood ponds were developed and managed this way.


Unless you can replicate the entire lake to support the same water quality, forage, etc., I suspect it would be no different.


My thoughts differ. No doubt the females would have been bigger at the flooding stage. If they lived to the same age as the original ones, that 18 lb'er might be a blip on the radar screen.


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