bridge in baltimore collapses

watch the video, not good at all.

https://twitter.com/HaywerdJablomi/status/1772508350577569930

WOW !

Just terrible..!

they are saying mass casualty

Wow.

You don’t see any cars on the bridge. Were they able to close it down before the collapse?

Terrible. Prayers up.

Says 7 people in the water on the news , i bet there is more

x2...

Prayers up for all affected... cargo ship, wonder where it sailed out of ?... sure hope it wasn't terrorism...

Saying at least 20 in the water now. Surface temp about 40F water temp about 50F. Terrible. Prayers sent.

I dont see how you could survive that.

Wow! Prayers to all.

Thank God this didn5 happen during rush hour. Praying for the victims.

Jeez, terrible

Wow! That was no glancing blow either.

if you went straight down you probably didn't, long way to fall to a sudden stop.

Francis Scott Key Bridge
Lat / Lon: N 39° 13.021' / W 076° 31.704'
Bridge Type: Fixed
Vertical Clearance (Closed): 185.00 ft.
Horizontal Clearance: 1,100.00 ft.

https://www.waterwayguide.com/bridge/3-689/francis-scott-key-bridge

I was reading where the ship had lost power several times leading up to this. Shouldn't the docking pilot have requested assistance from some tug boats or something? At least had one on standby. I don't understand how this happens.



CCTV and marine tracking data shows the container ship lost power for around 60 seconds about four minutes before it hit the bridge. It appeared to adjust its course and start smoking before impact.

The vessel's individual incident response service has been mobilised, Synergy added.

According to ship tracking website VesselFinder, Dali had been involved in a 2016 collision at the Port of Antwerp as it tried to leave the port.

It said the vessel had "substantial stern momentum" causing the collision with a stone wall of the quay.

The berth where the ship had been docked was "seriously damaged and closed for cargo handling operations due to safety reasons", the website said.

A maritime safety expert says the "most likely" cause of the crash was a failure in the ship's machinery.

David McFarlane, director of Maritime Risk and Safety Consultants Ltd, told Sky News: "The first thing that springs to my mind is: was there a sudden fault with the ship's engines or the steering gear? The other, of course, is: was there a navigational error?"

Mr McFarlane said a human error was less likely because of the number of people who would have been on duty.

He added: "There should be no room for one-person errors because one of the other people should jump in and say 'hang on...'.

"The most likely cause of this is a failure in machinery or steering gear, but we just won't know until the authorities have been on board. And even then, they're unlikely to say what's been going on for some considerable time."

NBC 5 said there was a construction crew on the bridge. SO terrible.

video on fox shows the lights going on and off a couple of times then black smoke like they were trying to reverse.

Back in 2001 4 loaded barges crashed into the bridge from the mainland to South Padre Island. The barges knocked out at least 1 section of the bridge sending 5 cars into the bay. 85 foot drop. 8 were killed. They have since put warning lights on the bridge to warn drivers in case of a similar incident.

First thing I thought of. Been over that bridge at least a dozen times.

Prayers for those involved.

the I40 bridge over the arkansas got taken out by barges some yrs. back, 2 or 3 vehicles drove off the edge after the collapse. couldn't see the missing section till too late.

Appears from reports that there were at least a few. I didn’t see any. You’d think that as slow as that thing was floating along, they would have radioed and shut down the bridge. I don’t know. Maybe panic took the place of clear thinking.

I’m sure the lawyers are already busy this morning. What a tragedy. I guess, though, it could have been much worse.

Horrible, just horrible !

I just read a few weeks back about the train bridge collapse, after being hit by a barge, that crashed the Amtrak Sunset Limited in 1993 with huge loss of life.

Train wreck

Could have been worse, imagine rush hour. I heard the bridge was closed to traffic before the ship hit it but not soon enough.

Possibly it was JUST closed but in the time lapse vids you can clearly see vehicles going both directions.

they also had a work crew on it.

Oh yeah you can see the construction crew pickups sliding down the bridge as it collapses

Awful

... Dan

crazy

Prayers for all involved. That's not a way I'd want to go.

People have posted the ship's tracking data online, and that thing lost power/control at absolutely the worst possible time. It turned right into that support. If it wasn't for the lights flickering onboard, I would have sworn that was intentional.

14 people died and 11 were actually rescued, mostly by fishermen in a big tournament that day. It would have been much worse, but one of the fishermen climbed up to the top and shot a flare gun at an oncoming semi and got him to stop. I was trying to remember that guys name, he was a very well known guy that had a pretty good tv fishing show. He probably saved a hundred lives that day.
Kirk Washburn

Yeah it did look like he turned which is odd, not sure if current or wind could do that.

I read on Twitter that the ship declared a state of emergency about 4 min beforehand, which gave them a little time to start closing the bridge.

Who's paying for the damage?


How much was the bridge worth? 4-5 billion? 20 billion?

Some unlucky insurers, I'd imagine. That will probably take a while to shake out, though.

The lost revenue through that port will probably be a pretty staggering number, too.

could it have been hacked at the best possible time

Driven over that bridge many times. Thankfully it seems like they had a chance to mitigate how many people were on it. Will be a nightmare since this functionally blocks the port, cruise terminal etc.

Lot of lucky folks that passed over just as the ship was bearing down on that pillar. I was up at 3:30 this morning watching as it was reported.

A big truck barely made it in time.

Yes, it did!
Bet this gets a better govt response than the train derailment last year. Demographics you know!

pedo said the fed. goobers will pay for all reconstruction, already sucking up for votes and the bodies are not even recovered yet.

Just what they need, low bid.

Lara Logan reported this on X. If you don't know who she is, look her up. Probably one of the last true journalists out there




Multiple intel sources:

Baltimore bridge collapse was an “absolutely brilliant strategic attack” on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War.

Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled.

Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.

The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.

Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.

Attack perfectly targeted.

“They have figured out how to bring us down. As long as you stay away from the teeth of the US military, you can pick the US apart. We are arrogant and ignorant - lethal combination. Obama said they would fundamentally change America and they did. We are in a free-fall ride on a roller coaster right now - no brakes - just picking up speed.”

The footage shows the cargo ship never got in the approach lane in the channel. You have to be in the channel before you get into that turn. Location was precise/deliberate: chose a bend in the river where you have to slow down and commit yourself - once you are committed in that area there is not enough room to maneuver.

Should have had a harbor pilot to pilot the boat. You are not supposed to traverse any obstacles without the harbor pilot.

They chose a full moon so they would have maximum tidal shift - rise and fall. Brisk flow in that river on a normal day & have had a lot of rain recently so water was already moving along at a good pace.

Hit it with enough kinetic energy to knock the load-bearing pylon out from under the highway - which fatally weakens the span and then 50 percent of the bridge fell into the water.

All these factors when you look at it - this is how you teach people how to do this type of attack and there are so few people left in the system who know this. We have a Junior varsity team on the field.

Tremendous navigational obstruction. Huge logistical nightmare to clean this up. Number of dead is tragic but not the whole measure of the attack.

That kind-of bridge constantly under repair - always at night because there is so much traffic and they cannot obstruct that during the day. So concern is for repair guys who were on foot (out of their vehicles) working who may now be in the water - 48 degrees at most at this time of year.

When you choke off Baltimore you have cut the main north-south hazardous corridor (I95) in half. Now has to go around the city - or go somewhere else.

To move some of that cargo through the tunnel you may be able to get a permit but those are slow to get and require an escort system that is expensive and has to be done at night.

For every $100 dollars that goes into the city, $12 comes from shipping. Believe this will cripple the city of Baltimore at a time when they do not have the resources to recover

And, here we go with the nutty conspiracy theories...

Hey I didn't say it was true or not, just that she reported it. You can believe what you want as is your right in America.

I’d say you have to be nutty if you want to rule out terrorism at this point already as well. Loss of life is tragic but the cost of repair and logistical importance of that bridge and port are far to important to just chalk it up to an accident and be done with it.

That article say that they should have had a harbor pilot controlling that ship.

Was that not the case?

they had two from what I've read.

That's what I heard this morning too.

Same

was this a terror attack probably, but if anyone thinks in this day in age it couldn't be, is absolutely deceiving themselves

first thing I thought when I read it in on this thread... too much coincidence with what happened at Russian concert and now this.

Secretary Bootypacker is all over this, everyone take a deep breath!

they each have a specialty, one is for the harbor and the other for the bay is what I heard this morning, harbor is apparently just past the bridge.

I went to A school about 20 miles from there, I think, bainbridge md. bridge was not there back then.

north of aberdeen proving ground, by port deposit.

the bay is HUGE, fished it a few times (special services had 16'/25 hp boats).

weird.

doubt terrorists would send a mayday/warning, emergency drop anchor, cram thousands of hp into reverse from fwd.


could just be me and my biases.



from the look of the video they had a bad ground!


just sayin!



I think they lost power, no power = no steering on those behemoths. no steering and no power, at least 1.5 miles to coast to a stop, maybe.

I will guess there was a lack of maintenance on some pc of electrical equip. that either just quit or blew out and the secondary didn't kick in right. my best guess.

That reporter must have never lived in the area, and she is massively overstating the strategic importance of that bridge. It will absolutely be inconvenient for people who regularly use the bridge, but it was one of the least congested parts of the beltway. Hazmat can go around the slightly longer westside of the beltway to avoid the tunnels on 95/895. A few of the big roll off car lots are south so they’re not impacted, and other ports in VA and NY/NJ can easily handle the containers until the waterway is clear. This is no suez canal blockage.

Prayers to those involved. Now days you have to wonder if it was intentional.

Reminder to pay attention to the background as this sick drama plays out.


With the information about the mass slaughter in Russia being played for all it can.



Don't be distracted by a really fat squirrel.

spot on.

delivered and picked up at the port there maybe 6 times total, had to divert to the west side with hazmat a few times, till you get to the state line/d.c. it is normally navigable on the roads. some folks will get another hr. on their commute at most probably.

were I elon musk I would be pitching my tunneling company right about now.

That's unpatriotic. He's too busy sending up military communication satellites.


I dare you think he could revert funds.


The US navy uses missiles twice that bridge in one go.


Where's your priorities? (wink)

Wasn't the boat Chinese, have you seen how they drive......

The Chinese are a special kind of autistic.


All the tech they have was straight up stolen from us. Retards manning CNC machines. Doing things like stitching, "I have dental pain" in the tag of a cheap t-shirt.


I don't care.


This freaking bridge was expensive.

I don't know, but something about this just doesn't sit right with me.

this bridge is a big nothing burger in the east coast traffic patterns. if they wanted to do some real damage, hit the GW, Verrazano narrows, holland tunnel, 3 or 4 bridges around d.c.

then you would have a major problem.

Captain was trying to get to his spot he’d caught a big one on in practice- his 15” solix didn’t show the bridge column due to fog, hammer down!

read that a local crew was navigating the boat in the harbor..don't know how accurate any of that is though

Surely those boats are equipped with forward facing sonar

Lord have mercy on those who perished and comfort their survivors. Amen

You never know when your number will be called.

yep
& a lot of government engineers
wrecking progress

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...s-but-it-doesnt-have-any-rail-lines/amp/

The port that is now shutdown is the 9th largest in U.S.. Port being shutdown will be the biggest problem out of this. Company I worked for before retiring has a big RDC in Maryland. The RDC supplies product to all stores in the eastern part of the country. They source a lot of product out of Europe, Brazil, and Turkey. Shipping costs will be going up. Happy to be retired and not have to deal with the Logistics VP that I supported.

Biden said the government is funding the rebuild. I hope he is planning to seek reimbursement from the shipping company.

now hearing it's possibly contaminated fuel. it had been underway for an hour before it shut down.

How proud the supporters of Resident biden must be.

east coast car haulers are not gonna like it at all. looking at the steel on top of the loaded ship I am hoping they cctv the removal process. whole lot of stuff has to be moved before they can reopen. water beneath the bridge is apparently only 50', not much room for junk on the bottom.

What is the draft of container vessels?
The first generations of container ships used to have drafts of 9 meters. The Post Panamax Plus models have drafts of between 14 and 15 meters. The current Super container carriers, such as Emma Maersk, have a draft of 15.5 meters.Mar 22, 2021

You could, at the very least, wait until all of the bodies are recovered before you start making jokes.

Classless moron.

I seriously doubt they recover any, tidal currents would drag them out, sea critters etc.

they have called off the search.

It's a shame that guy is always the butt of jokes. In the end he will get his.

faux outrage is the best.

I’m surprised they weren’t breast feeding at that height, would’ve made such a sweet picture.

I'm not aware of a previous terrorist attack where the attackers gave warning ahead of the attack to reduce loss of life..........


99.9% confident this was a horrible unfortunate accident and the Captain did everything he could to reduce loss of life.

Aircraft have backup systems for backup systems. These multi-trillion pound, floating, powered barges should have some backup systems, some fail safes to mitigate losses of power and control. Root cause will be good to know. We will see how transparent the NTSB and related departments will be. If the captain could steer "into" the bridge supports, why didn't he steer away from the supports and float under the bridge?

Pete can swing but he's better at climbing poles.

Apparently the current was around 9 knots and that powered the ship into the bridge stanchions.

. They will float up later, maybe in April/May. Had a girl from my high school jump from the bay bridge in winter and she finally surfaced in early May if my memory is correct.

He never misses an oppurtunity to tell a lie. I'm more surprised that he didn't say he was on the bridge when it collapsed.

Only 764 tons of HAZMAT....

No worries.

And some of those containers were damaged and are leaking!

Ah the faux outrage

like the report from earlier stated... it happened at the perfect time with full moon, strongest current... if it was truly planned out in advance... and someone was capable of shutting the ships power off and backup... it happened at the perfect time and place to get the end results.

My guess is the port will be open in 6 months.
The bridge will take two years to sort out the DEI spoils, two years to fight off environmental and other interest group lawsuits, 5 years to build excluding union strife. So 9 years.

HA! Since when has this joker funded any of his spending projects? It will just go on the big credit card.

HMMMM...

Apparnetly the black box quit working 2 minutes before the crash.

If the Feds pay to fix it. There will be no insurance investigation.


We'll never know the cause.

Yellen has already walked back Biden's comments on the Feds paying for it. Just another lie from tbe big guy.

Thats good, that was one of the red flags

What’s crazy/sad is at this point I’m not sure the lies are intentional, dude just isn’t there mentally.

Reading comments on another forum. An extremely liberal forum.


I wondered why all the questions were flying. They're mad as hell that the, "news" isn't being taken for truth.


Older crowd of individuals.

Ask why they’re hiding the name of the captain who hit the bridge - and you’ll find all the answers.

Which one was in control at that time?

One was ukranian and one was indian?

oh! oh! oh! mistah kottah! I got this!

neither, their were 2 pilots on board that had control in the harbor/bay, each has a "speciality" knowledge of the markers/channels etc.

the ships crew are under control of the pilots till they give command back to the capt./crew.

I think it was a case of mechanical malfunction to the extreme. ship happens!

I fished the Susquehanna river just north of the bridge (it was not there in 71) and the port is one thing, the Chesapeake bay a whole nother (it dwarfs corpus). we were warned of the limits of the special services boats, 5 miles max. due to tides/river current etc.

I can see losing power and the combined ships speed with current screwing things up. ship was supposedly moving at 9 knts.

People, they haven't even interviewed the pilots yet. Smh.

Actually a pilot was in control of the vessel. Like down here on the Sabine Neches Waterway the pilot goes out (from Sabine Pass) and meets the ships in deep water offshore and is in control of the vessel from that point, navigating inshore through the channel until docked. When leaving port the pilots are in control until out to sea.

Who is that? American citizen from America?

Thats fine, the president said it wasnt a terrorist attack and that the feds would pay for it before the syn even came up. Thats the issue, it doesnt take a rocket surgeon to see an issue with that.

I thought it was a normal accident until that, now with that and the black box missing 2 minutes right before that crash. Im not sure, we will see if any real info comes out.

I understand and anything is possible. Unfortunately we may never get to the truth. I don't trust the government at all and the media even less. Still, until I see whatever evidence comes out I'll consider it an accident.

Im on the fence now, the black box thing is fishy as hell if the story about it is true.

If they called a mayday a few minutes before it makes it seem on the surface like just a bad accident.

I believe they did

Perhaps someone can explain to me.

Container ships are not easily steered. Stopping, turning, etc can take miles. As s result, common practice is for such vessels to be accompanied by tow boat until reaching open water.

Wonder what was different here.

Once it left the dock it was a straight shot out. If the maintained 7 knots they were good.

Clearly _something_ got in the way of this particular hypothesis.

Question
Who was filming ?

Mounted transit authority camera.

Thanks I was wondering driving work this morning and that was the only think I could think of probably just for that reason.

Tugboats left before ship reached Baltimore bridge. They might have saved it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tugboats-left-ship-reached-baltimore-005632819.html

I see ol' drunk Bob is still keeping it classy.

FIFY

interesting that not a single road worker has been id'd with a hometown/state, all have had their country. mexico, central america etc.

makes me wonder if they were legal, working legally, being paid bacon davis wage, paying taxes etc.


would not be the first time a govt. contractor did it.

ssssshhhh

Watch closely,
there will be a push to rename the Francis Scott Key bridge to the George Floyd memorial bridge.

Floyd was from Minnesota, Baltimore has its own fair share of criminal thugs

10-4

Is that your profile pic on Grindr?

I wouldn't know about the websites you visit. It is you in the photo obviously however.

Saint George Floyd Memorial Bridge

St. Floyd of Fentanyl.

Just took a good look at the bridge
Surprisingly it hasn’t collapsed already
No diagonal bracing

How could the current pack of liars in DC know immediately that it wasn't sabotage?
No info or data had been collected.
They also told us immediately that ISIS was responsible for the Russian massacre.
How could they even pretend to know that?

That's because ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.

"ISIS"

They claim every attack, but how could our government stand behind that claim BEFORE any evidence had been gathered?

consider the source.