Rail strike

Despite the administration's victory lap a rail strike is looking very likely. On top of inflation this is devastating for the economy. Where is our non existing sec of transportation?

https://nypost.com/2022/11/21/bigge...r-deal-sparking-holiday-strike-concerns/

Nursing?

Or, more then likely it is caught completely off guard by the fact that it may have to do a little bit of uncomfortable work

truckers go on strike and the rico act goes into effect, rail workers unions get a pass even though both are under dot regs.

Having to get all 12 Unions to agree on a labor proposal or it's automatically rejected is a highly improbable task at best.

Twelve RR unions and every one has to approve the package.

I despise all unions.

And those that run them even more

They'll go on strike and a few days later 0l' Joe will have to order them back... The dems ain't gonna let a few disgruntled railroad workers make them look any worse than they already look... Dan

this 3 times over

Unions are garbage. A man ought to be able to nut up and negotiate on his on behalf.

Bingo !

C'mon Pete, we need your help here lil buddy!

None of this is coincidence. Unions vote hard core left.

Work at home crafting statements for his wife Chasten to post to websites calling for the censorship of Rep. Lauren Boebert offer of condolences.

deerfeeder is correct. This has been planned by Biden's Administration for a long time. Biden is in BED with Unions and they work hand and hand to destroy our Country. Color the picture anyway you want, but's it's the truth. Last year it was Cargo Ships at UNION RUN PORTS during CHRISTMAS SEASON, During Covid it was UNION RUN SCHOOLS.
Anything and any way to take this Country down Biden is for.


All Unions can KISS MY AZZ. Yep !!! If you're thinking about a union you belong to. Yep they can kiss my azz. I have belonged to one in my past and they are for OLD PEOPLE AND LAZY PEOPLE. That's my Story and I'm Stickin to it !!

I’m no fan of unions myself. I have watch them destroy some great companies. Then if they do go union you will find the laziest, sorriest, freeloading workers in America. The only thing they do is carry their little union book in their lunch pail and read it during breaks and lunch to find another way to screw the company that provides them a means to buy clothing, food and a roof over their head and their families.
Union were needed 100 years ago, yes, but today they are more corrupt than the company they work for.
Show me a union worker and I show you a lazy worker.

Unions, like socialism, sounds great on paper. In practice, they're rife with administrative corruption, bloat, and do more harm than good.

The two are totally equivalent.

I only lasted 3 years in the IBEW. Not my gig. Went back to non union work life. Definitely correct on seeing the laziness of quite a few...100% milk the union life.

Let em strike, send them packing.. the railroad pretty much does whatever it wants and gets a free pass so I have no sympathy…

[quote=bbqking]deerfeeder is correct. This has been planned by Biden's Administration for a long time. Biden is in BED with Unions and they work hand and hand to destroy our Country. Color the picture anyway you want, but's it's the truth. Last year it was Cargo Ships at UNION RUN PORTS during CHRISTMAS SEASON, During Covid it was UNION RUN SCHOOLS.
Anything and any way to take this Country down Biden is for.


All Unions can KISS MY AZZ. Yep !!! If you're thinking about a union you belong to. Yep they can kiss my azz. I have belonged to one in my past and they are for OLD PEOPLE AND LAZY PEOPLE. That's my Story and I'm Stickin to it !![/quote

Their union dues are donate from lobbyists for these politicians. Will see how they solve this. It will put a strain on everyone. Truckers will have a hard time keeping up and diesel will sky rocket more.

I will take that bet any day of the week. While i agree unions are corrupt, not every single union member is trash or lazy. I actually know some very hard working individuals that are in the unions. People confuse the crappy union leadership with the members. Which i get, the members supposedly pick the leadership but thats where i think the corruption comes in. In reality every single person thats for a free country, capitalism, etc should be in support of any group of employees banding together to do whatever they want. Thats a basic example of freedom and free market principals. Im not saying we have to agree or that they should win these things but its their right.

I agree with the skipper, have worked around a lot of union guys and they like all of us are trying to earn a living but have stupid rules to follow.

carpenters and joiners union kept trying to get a bunch of us to sign up so I asked them this.

this was in the keystone/breckenridge area in colorado and I was pulling in about 135k a yr. as a carpenter/business owner.

if I join the union what are my wages going to be, at the time kit was about 35 - 40 $ an hr. benefits included. I was working about 10 months a yr. avg.

if I join the union how much work will I get here in the mts.? not only in colorado but NEVER in my life have I even thought about unemployment as I have always

been able to find work with my references/experience. the union rep said the mts. would be sort of hit and miss on jobs.

if I join the union and another like the iron workers or electrical workers strike will I have to walk a picket line and draw a pittance of a paycheck? the answer was yes.

in the end they expected me to take a major pay cut, have to work with 1 - 2 laborers as helpers and submit to the union rules while paying them to let me work.


F unions!

Well I am not lazy,work harder than most of yall,vote hard right,dont even know where my union book is,and while it pisses me off to see some lazy worthless POS make the same money as I am while not even trying to work,they still serve a purpose and are only as good as the people in them.
So while I agree some unions suck,(mostly ones with unskilled laborers),I am fairly happy with the one I am in,and you can kiss my [censored].

I have a bunch of Union employee and non-Union employees of the 123 working under me. About 50/50. I wish I could just straight up tell you how I view it. However, the Union would use that if they ever found it regardless if they knew it was 100% accurate.

There is some good and bad in everything. Key is which has more good.

I will say we have some great employees in the Union who come to work each day to put in a good day and know their job. Always appreciative of them. It’s amazing how hard some will work at not doing what they agreed to when they were hired. They will work harder on that then they would actually doing their job.

More than anything it comes down to finding good people willing to do the right thing. I have probably hired 3 or 4 hundred employees over the years. I have hired some great employees and a few horrible ones. The key is finding people who have the right morals, ethics, etc. Find people who you can trust, want to work and will take pride in their work. You can teach them the work. It’s much harder, if not impossible to take a bad person and change that so they will be a good employee.

When I retire it will be 47 years. I should write a book. They are a number of stories you just couldn’t make up.

back in the 70s I worked casual labor for a grocery warehouse in edmond Okieland (gone now), worked with teamsters and there were a few good ones there but very dam few. like said, a lot of them worked at not working more than the job would require. the pay was extremely good but no benefits and no dues which made it interesting at first. it is the only job anyone has ever told me to "slow down, you make us look bad", threatened a couple of times as well.

did a lot of commercial construction around the country, unions on most but not all jobs. have had to cross picket lines and watch my 6 a few times after the strike, seems us wanting to do our jobs ticked some of them off, wgaf is my attitude.

never took a job I didn't know up front what the pay/benefits were and if it changed after I hired on I was gone to another job. happened 2 times in about 30 yrs.
never saw the sense in paying someone to let me have a job then telling at some point to stay home we are striking or there is no work today etc.


if union works for ya then go for it, personally I think they have outlived their worth with all the labor laws on the books and now are mostly a burden on business.
why do you think a dam 1/2 ton pickup costs over 50,000.00 $ now?

jmo

You all be sure and let your UPS driver know how you feel about the Teamsters,I am sure you will get an earful about how they would love to be non-Union,I also doubt most of you could do 1 of their shifts,those guys hump it all day,unlike a certain government ran delivery system.

I read the issue coming from a railroad worker on another boating forum, THT.

The issue is not money. It is working conditions.
They are being forced to be available 24/7 to work 12 hour shifts. He said they are missing weddings etc and get time off only when they are not called in which can be hundreds or thousands of miles from home.
The railroads have changed to only putting 2 people on a train and they are working towards one man crews. When the economy shut down and then opened back up again, they had cut jobs so they are now understaffed which forces the mandatory work hours.

Eventually trains will be unmanned. That is the direction they are heading.

I'm sure striking has little to do with a future of unmanned trains.

I feel pretty safe in saying that there will never be autonomous trains, there will always have to be at least an engineer in the cab for safety.

I have heard what the demands are and they are mostly unreasonable and way out of line with the rest of business norms, 25% pay raise for one, more paid time off etc. idiots all.

if you knew a thing about dot regs on train crews you would see that they can only work so many hrs. a week and then required time off takes effect. as for being away from home, they knew that when they took the job. lastly go ask that person just how their pay structure is set up for overtime and per diem for being away from home, they are being stupid and playing with the entire countries economy.

Train engineers are far from the problem. They are a very tiny part of rail workers. Self driving trains will fix nothing.

But Allison the expert rail operator says that's the way things are heading. Must be true.

truth, have sat in container yards run by the union and waited a long time to get my load because they load union drivers first.

lumpers at warehouses are the worst, they scam how much to unload a trailer and charge exorbitant rates to pull pallets out of a trailer.

almost went to jail in kalifornicate for punching out a mexican lumper foreman, got in my face and then grabbed me, warehouse mgr. was standing right there and

backed me since he hated the guy for being such an arse. company got on me till I got somewhere I could explain what happened.


teamsters/train and any union involved in transportation is most likely among the most corrupt.

Actually I very seldom agree with Allison but on this he is correct,my son is a new bridge construction Forman,and that’s exactly the sticking point,no sick days or excused absence,you don’t show up you get fired first offense,then have to have the Union get your job back.

I read what someone who works there said about it. Then looking to substantiate that I looked on the internet.
Apparently the guy I read had been honest.

There many professionals that that have less than ideal working conditions, and don't strike-
They can all get another job with less stressful conditions if they choose, without shutting down the economy-

Seems like a whole group of “donothing” types-

Pathetic actually-

Actually it’s not a whole group,its like 12 different groups,the group my son is in approved their T/A by a wide margin,but if one of them holds out it affects all of the others. Hopefully at some point cooler heads will prevail and they can encourage a yes vote from the members,I have been through 3 contracts in 27 years at the airline where I work,and it is always a stressful time for the company and the employees,I have always opposed a strike vote no matter the issue,if you put the company out of business where are you going to work?
I think the federal government would step in before they will let the rail roads shut down,the effect on the economy would be disastrous if they shut down for even a week.

YES, and they are called UNIONS. Did you notice USELESS and UNION start with the same letter.

Just curious what Airline were you a Stewardess with?

You give folks paid time off and you can be assured every day will be used by almost everyone whether they need it or not.

this is who is going to strike for more pay.

union pacific pay

$93k/ year
Avg. Base Salary (USD)
$10k
Avg. Bonus

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=Union_Pacific_Railroad/Salary


click the link and read it, tell me just why they deserve a raise.

HAHA I would be so lucky

Can trains be pulled?

I want everyone to be properly compensated for the services they provide. I think everyone should get some PTO and/or sick time (honestly, I'd rather have less PTO and more sick time since I have a little one).

I think if they're pulling $103,000 per year and they're still striking, then they're being unreasonable.

So if they go on strike does that stop coal shipments to power plants?

unless the president or congress step in it will

Yes. But mainly, they are run.

When I was in the Border Patrol, we had two guys transfer in from Arizona (each from a different station out there), that the first thing they did within a couple of weeks was try to set up a union chapter at the station. Both of them were as worthless as teats on a boar hog. Thankfully, nobody bought into it. One of them was gonna be the president of the local chapter and the other one was gonna be the treasurer or something. Weren't worth warm spit, either of them.

I would say yes it would and also stop the Crude Oil Rail shipments. Dang, the canceled Keystone pipeline would be a great thing to have if they strike.

It’s part of working for the railroad, those jobs pay well for a reason and it isn’t because it’s rocket science.. a lot of us work out of town and work long hours, we know what it was when we signed up for the big dollars.. No sympathy, if you don’t like your job, QUIT and find another, don’t be a Nancy throwing a tempur tantrum with a strike trying to get your way.

I 100% am in line with Skeeter's comments here. What is typical in most conversations concerning Unions is the ones that speak up against it the loudest have never been a part of the union. And not to insult your intelligence but your comments show you really have no idea.

I'm not longer union but I can tell you when I was, that time in my life was without a doubt some of the hardest I have ever been pushed to perform my job at the top of my ability. Motto: 8 hours work for 8 hours pay, Perform at a high level or be replaced!

I worked around all the trades unions, some of the folks working under union rules busted a gut working while others stood around trying to find a way out of working hard (nothing in commercial construction is easy)..
2 times unions tried to recruit me and once I went in to the hall in OKie city trying to get hired on to the devon tower. the hall in Okie city made it dam near impossible to get in and if you did there was still no guarantee of work. you wouldn't get a job there as a non union carpenter.

I have a Friend that has driven a train for 20 years. Being responsible for a train for three days at a time and all that goes with that is a lot of responsibility.

This is about Companies minimizing the number of Company employees for maximum profits.

He works all of the time and when he is off he just sleeps and eats and goes back to work!

The MEP skilled trades union guys in Tulsa do a good job. For the most part they have better training and do better work than non union guys- and this is coming from a non union guy. Their pay/benefits package is probably 10% better than top non union journeyman.

I have never worked in a union job but my Father and Brother did. The place my brother worked went out of business due to the last strike/walkout settlement was more than the company could pay. They tried it for several months and then at lunch time, called everyone in to let them know to take their personal belongings as they had successfully broken the company and that they no longer had a job and that they could not pay them for that week or the one before.
My dad had to go and walk the picket line when the place he worked and the union could not get a contract over $0.05 an hour. He lost 2 months pay for a nickel an hour.

My only contact was when I had to inspect equipment at an all Union Plant in Alabama. The plant I was employed at was a non-union but I was having to work at a union one. It upset the union mechanics that I was wanting to move my own ladder. They said that was maintenance work and not an inspectors job. With them doing the ladder moves I could inspect 3 to 4 vessels a day. With me doing the ladder moves I could do over 20 each day. Their union steward got involved and told the mechanics to work with me or to get out of the area I was working as there was a OSHA deadline to meet or else they would all be unemployed. It was amazing how quickly they disappeared instead of stepping up and working.
I was so glad to never step on union property again.

I'm not a fan of government intervention. Let them strike. We would all suffer. The RR would change practices or hire scrubs.

This is not accidental. Unions depend on Democraps. Democraps depend on the unions. It is a symbiotic relationship and a strike by the unions during a normally peak shipping time is not an accident. This will provide the current powers that be to look like heroes to the public when at the fore designated time a settlement is reached due to Brandon's magical powers of persuasion. In other words, stage play, but genuine male bovine scat from sic'em to come here.

The ultimate goal of Unions is to eliminate right to work laws, when this happens the Champaign and political donations will flow.