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Gotta be missin something here

Posted By: flashman252

Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 02:58 PM

So wade roe drama in the world. The way I understand this is that the supreme court is essentially turning it back to the states since it was never constitutional anyways. The other thing I understand is that abortion shouldn't be legal after 15 weeks unless it puts the mother in a situation that could cause harm to herself or the baby won't make it to term. 15 weeks is a long time to make a decision on having a baby. Even if the pregnancy is from some sort of trauma, that gives a pretty good window to make a decision. Even if you didn't know until a period was missed (lets say it takes 4-6 weeks until this is realized), that still is 9-11 weeks to make a decision.

So what the hell is with all the protesting? It seems like nothing has changed at all. What are they exactly protesting? I have to be missing something right?
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:06 PM

Paid protestors. It's not like these people have other jobs.
Posted By: Dogfish_Jones

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:14 PM

It gives liberal/Democrats a reason to loot, burn and steal.
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:15 PM

Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.
Posted By: 206champion

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dogfish_Jones
It gives liberal/Democrats a reason to loot, burn and steal.

Yep
Posted By: Fish-ed

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:22 PM

I might be wrong, but I thought in Texas it was going to be illegal after six weeks.
Posted By: flashman252

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



Are there really any states that ban them indefinitely? And with the 15 week ruling coming down from the supreme court, I would think that if there are states that ban them indefinitely, they would adopt the 15 week ruling as well. It goes both ways. It made it to supreme court, they made a ruling, and those states that had term abortions won't be allowed to commit murder anymore, and the states that ban it all together, will be legally required to offer this service up to 15 weeks. It seems to bring the whole situation to level playing grounds.

I agree with previous statements, almost seems like people are being destructive at this point just because they think they have a reason to be. I bet if you pulled 20 of these protestors aside, not a single one would give an exact answer to the reasoning they were there. I will say, the far left has gotten way too extreme and have lost their minds. I always thought a good balance in beliefs was good for the country to a certain degree, but the libs have literally lost their mind and don't have the ability to think.

Again, questioning myself thinking I have missed a key piece of information somewhere.
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:34 PM

I must have missed the part about 15 weeks. As I understood it, the entirety of the matter was pushed to the states so each state can do whatever they please including total bans. I believe some states have already completely shut down clinics, but I could be wrong. If all states are required to offer them up to 15 weeks then you are right, this is a big stink about nothing because 92% of abortions occur within the first trimester and most of the rest are due to severe medical issues with the child or mother.
Posted By: Allison1

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by flashman252
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



Are there really any states that ban them indefinitely? And with the 15 week ruling coming down from the supreme court, I would think that if there are states that ban them indefinitely, they would adopt the 15 week ruling as well. It goes both ways. It made it to supreme court, they made a ruling, and those states that had term abortions won't be allowed to commit murder anymore, and the states that ban it all together, will be legally required to offer this service up to 15 weeks. It seems to bring the whole situation to level playing grounds.

I agree with previous statements, almost seems like people are being destructive at this point just because they think they have a reason to be. I bet if you pulled 20 of these protestors aside, not a single one would give an exact answer to the reasoning they were there. I will say, the far left has gotten way too extreme and have lost their minds. I always thought a good balance in beliefs was good for the country to a certain degree, but the libs have literally lost their mind and don't have the ability to think.

Again, questioning myself thinking I have missed a key piece of information somewhere.



Missouri had passed a law that would trigger an immediate abortion ban if Roe V Wade was overturned. That made them the first state to completely ban abortion. I believe there will be 10-12 that will follow suit within the next year.
The 15 week case in Mississippi that was ruled on by SCOTUS will not be in affect very long. They have a provision to ban most abortions 10 days after their attorney general publishes a notice. The exemptions being health of the mother and cases of rape that were reported.


Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Fish-ed
I might be wrong, but I thought in Texas it was going to be illegal after six weeks.



https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-trigger-law-abortion-ban-details/
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



How about they just try to prevent getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby. It's 2022....there are ways to prevent pregnancy now.some are as simple as stopping at 7 Eleven and buying a pack of condoms.
Posted By: TexDawg

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



How about they just try to prevent getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby. It's 2022....there are ways to prevent pregnancy now.some are as simple as stopping at 7 Eleven and buying a pack of condoms.


And no ID required
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



How about they just try to prevent getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby. It's 2022....there are ways to prevent pregnancy now.some are as simple as stopping at 7 Eleven and buying a pack of condoms.


I don't disagree with you, I was simply answering the OPs question.
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:49 PM

I mentioned this in another thread: The other strange and messed up irony here... 63 million abortions since 1973. 65% of abortions are by minorities. Most of them would have voted democrat. Half the rest would have as well. Do the math on it... we would have another 50 million democrats voting right now making our country solidly blue. Add in the death of red boomers and the blue shift will really accelerate over the next 20 years. Frankly, I'm surprised Democrats aren't the ones who are anti-abortion.
Posted By: jcarring99

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:49 PM

Everyone I know that is upset that states like Texas make no allowance for rape and incest. That has them torqued off
Posted By: flashman252

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



How about they just try to prevent getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby. It's 2022....there are ways to prevent pregnancy now.some are as simple as stopping at 7 Eleven and buying a pack of condoms.


I don't disagree with you either. Seems ridiculous but I am DEFINITELY being hypocritical with this statement. If I accidently got my Gf pregnant, I would be saucing up the stair case with vegetable oil every time I walked by. I am as careful as humanly possible to not let it happen and have been successful for 31 years so far.

With that said though, I really was thinking more along the lines of trauma related pregnancies (rape) and situations that would put the mother at risk or it is just not a viable pregnancy. These are really the only reasons I would think to need one after the first trimester.
Posted By: COFF

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:53 PM

I see it as a very refreshing move back towards state's rights. Since the War of Northern Aggression (aka the Civil War) all three branches of our government have systematically grown the Federal government far beyond the bounds of the Constitution. This move is one of the first in my lifetime that is taking a step back towards the ideals of The Constitution. To be frank, anyone who sees it differently is ignorant of history and needs to take some time and actually read The Constitution.

The reversal of Roe v. Wade is simply scratching off the books one of the most extreme examples of SCOTUS legislating from the bench. They have neither banned abortions, nor have they endorsed them. Rather, they have put the decision back into the hands of each individual state. The pink hats can take their fight to 50 different capitol buildings and the people of each state will decide.
Posted By: WAWI

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:55 PM

So from most of the pics I see of protesters it shouldn't be a big concern cause what guys are touching these grotesque, obese, nasty women
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by COFF
I see it as a very refreshing move back towards state's rights. Since the War of Northern Aggression (aka the Civil War) all three branches of our government have systematically grown the Federal government far beyond the bounds of the Constitution. This move is one of the first in my lifetime that is taking a step back towards the ideals of The Constitution. To be frank, anyone who sees it differently is ignorant of history and needs to take some time and actually read The Constitution.

The reversal of Roe v. Wade is simply scratching off the books one of the most extreme examples of SCOTUS legislating from the bench. They have neither banned abortions, nor have they endorsed them. Rather, they have put the decision back into the hands of each individual state. The pink hats can take their fight to 50 different capitol buildings and the people of each state will decide.




Same here.
Posted By: flashman252

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by WAWI
So from most of the pics I see of protesters it shouldn't be a big concern cause what guys are touching these grotesque, obese, nasty women


Theres someone out there for everyone...... I wouldn't ask this question. I made this comment once growing up and the reply I got was, a woman will spread their legs, no matter how fugly they are, someone will go in. Look at prisoners and where they are stickin their little tally wacker. Nothing worse than swabbing a stoma for STD's here in the hospital. The visual will stay with you FOREVER!
Posted By: elcoyote, esq.

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 04:22 PM

I’m just happy that the left has miraculously learned the definition of a woman since mid day Friday. Proud of them for that.
Posted By: flashman252

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by elcoyote, esq.
I’m just happy that the left has miraculously learned the definition of a woman since mid day Friday. Proud of them for that.


hahahaha I almost went this route on the post. Seemed like last week the dems didn't even acknowledge women existed. This week, its all about woman's right. These pukes are just crying to cry. I really think if you are democrat, it is impossible to have happiness in life.
Posted By: Dan90210 ☮

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



How about they just try to prevent getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby. It's 2022....there are ways to prevent pregnancy now.some are as simple as stopping at 7 Eleven and buying a pack of condoms.



I aint wearing no condoms. Tried that a few times and it sucked. There are like 8 other very solid options that the woman can choose. Even other low tech things that are not 100% but you know, will help for sure. Example dont drop your cargo in the cargo bay. That will lower the odds, and you can like track on the calendar or something too.
Posted By: hopalong

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 04:42 PM

just get your prostate taken out, works 100% of the time. grin
Posted By: Dan90210 ☮

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by flashman252
Originally Posted by elcoyote, esq.
I’m just happy that the left has miraculously learned the definition of a woman since mid day Friday. Proud of them for that.


hahahaha I almost went this route on the post. Seemed like last week the dems didn't even acknowledge women existed. This week, its all about woman's right. These pukes are just crying to cry. I really think if you are democrat, it is impossible to have happiness in life.



Yall aint kidding.

They get really upset if you even say something like "I believe women have vaginas". That gets some them riled up.

This Roe situation should make it clear to the old school women (the ones with wombs and vaginas) that the new women (the ones with dongs) can never really know what it is to be a woman. They are actually a threat to true and valid endeavors into women's rights and female equality. Which is a real thing. Unlike women with dongs.

Highly controversial statements I know.
Posted By: Bob Davis

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 04:55 PM

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Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 05:13 PM

The "night of rage" was pretty chill...

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Posted By: flashman252

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dan90210 ☮
Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



How about they just try to prevent getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby. It's 2022....there are ways to prevent pregnancy now.some are as simple as stopping at 7 Eleven and buying a pack of condoms.



I aint wearing no condoms. Tried that a few times and it sucked. There are like 8 other very solid options that the woman can choose. Even other low tech things that are not 100% but you know, will help for sure. Example dont drop your cargo in the cargo bay. That will lower the odds, and you can like track on the calendar or something too.



Don't trust the cargo technique.... sometimes cargo falls out before it's supposed to be dropped off. Had 4 friends in high school that had kiddos, and this was the technique they swore failed them.
Posted By: ReelSlow

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Well if you are pro-abortion and live in a state that was legally required to provide them before and now that state has banned them you'd be ticked. That's what they are upset about. If you live in a state where there is no change, not much to be ticked about.



How about they just try to prevent getting pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby. It's 2022....there are ways to prevent pregnancy now.some are as simple as stopping at 7 Eleven and buying a pack of condoms.


That Sir would require having a tiny bit of self control and responsibility. The welfare state does not want that taught. The welfare state pushes for the exact opposite. The Welfare state panics at the thought of having fewer sheep depending on them.
Posted By: Dogfish_Jones

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 05:45 PM

You play the game you have to take the results.
Condoms, pull out, IUD's, sponges, whatever you wish to use, the plain fact is you know, she knows that a pregnancy can happen. As I was told as a teenager, the only way you can be certain to not get a girl pregnant is not have sex with her.
A girl should really think more than twice before she spread those legs. Think in terms of if I get pregnant is this the guy who I want as the father of my kids. If your answer is no, then close those legs.
Guy's is this the woman you want as the mother of your kids? If not better not slip into something that might cost you.
Plus.... lets not rule out getting something soap can't wash off either. If she or if he is willing to go do the act, who's to say she/he hasn't done it with many more. I think it would be pretty bad when the doctor walks back into the exam room and tells you you have something that will stay with you the rest of your life. That doctor may walk in and tell you you have something that can't be cured and it will kill you.
Is it worth all that?
Posted By: flashman252

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dogfish_Jones
You play the game you have to take the results.
Condoms, pull out, IUD's, sponges, whatever you wish to use, the plain fact is you know, she knows that a pregnancy can happen. As I was told as a teenager, the only way you can be certain to not get a girl pregnant is not have sex with her.
A girl should really think more than twice before she spread those legs. Think in terms of if I get pregnant is this the guy who I want as the father of my kids. If your answer is no, then close those legs.
Guy's is this the woman you want as the mother of your kids? If not better not slip into something that might cost you.
Plus.... lets not rule out getting something soap can't wash off either. If she or if he is willing to go do the act, who's to say she/he hasn't done it with many more. I think it would be pretty bad when the doctor walks back into the exam room and tells you you have something that will stay with you the rest of your life. That doctor may walk in and tell you you have something that can't be cured and it will kill you.
Is it worth all that?


Spot on for sure.

With that said, what is everyone thoughts on the trigger laws states are imposing since the ruling? I was just reading about Louisiana's trigger law and how it would only allow abortion for situations that puts the mother at harm. Nothing is mentioned about Rape or incest though. I kind of have a problem with this. To the point of Dogfish, if it's consensual, it's yours but if a woman/girl gets pregnant from rape or incest.... I don't think it is very fair to the child being born. I think there are some women out there strong enough to care for their child from rape but mental health is a real issue in the country right now. Tack on rape to someone not so mentally well, I bet that child has a rough childhood and that opens a whole new set of issues. I don't necessarily disagree with these trigger laws, but I do think rape needs to be addressed in them.
Posted By: 1oldbassguy

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dogfish_Jones
You play the game you have to take the results.
Condoms, pull out, IUD's, sponges, whatever you wish to use, the plain fact is you know, she knows that a pregnancy can happen. As I was told as a teenager, the only way you can be certain to not get a girl pregnant is not have sex with her.
A girl should really think more than twice before she spread those legs. Think in terms of if I get pregnant is this the guy who I want as the father of my kids. If your answer is no, then close those legs.
Guy's is this the woman you want as the mother of your kids? If not better not slip into something that might cost you.
Plus.... lets not rule out getting something soap can't wash off either. If she or if he is willing to go do the act, who's to say she/he hasn't done it with many more. I think it would be pretty bad when the doctor walks back into the exam room and tells you you have something that will stay with you the rest of your life. That doctor may walk in and tell you you have something that can't be cured and it will kill you.
Is it worth all that?


if she is the village bicycle ---every bodies had a ride
Posted By: Sawhorse

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dogfish_Jones
A girl should really think more than twice before she spread those legs.

Twice isn’t even a speed bump. Some of us weren’t raised to be quitters.
Posted By: Dogfish_Jones

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by flashman252
Originally Posted by Dogfish_Jones
You play the game you have to take the results.
Condoms, pull out, IUD's, sponges, whatever you wish to use, the plain fact is you know, she knows that a pregnancy can happen. As I was told as a teenager, the only way you can be certain to not get a girl pregnant is not have sex with her.
A girl should really think more than twice before she spread those legs. Think in terms of if I get pregnant is this the guy who I want as the father of my kids. If your answer is no, then close those legs.
Guy's is this the woman you want as the mother of your kids? If not better not slip into something that might cost you.
Plus.... lets not rule out getting something soap can't wash off either. If she or if he is willing to go do the act, who's to say she/he hasn't done it with many more. I think it would be pretty bad when the doctor walks back into the exam room and tells you you have something that will stay with you the rest of your life. That doctor may walk in and tell you you have something that can't be cured and it will kill you.
Is it worth all that?


Spot on for sure.

With that said, what is everyone thoughts on the trigger laws states are imposing since the ruling? I was just reading about Louisiana's trigger law and how it would only allow abortion for situations that puts the mother at harm. Nothing is mentioned about Rape or incest though. I kind of have a problem with this. To the point of Dogfish, if it's consensual, it's yours but if a woman/girl gets pregnant from rape or incest.... I don't think it is very fair to the child being born. I think there are some women out there strong enough to care for their child from rape but mental health is a real issue in the country right now. Tack on rape to someone not so mentally well, I bet that child has a rough childhood and that opens a whole new set of issues. I don't necessarily disagree with these trigger laws, but I do think rape needs to be addressed in them.


As much as I abhor abortions, I do find solace in viewing instances where "maybe" it is the best option...not the first option or only option.
Rape, I can see where that woman could not wish to carry that child that would remind her everyday of that terrible event.
Incest, those are people who are already pretty messed up. But if it was a rape with incest, I fall back under the rule of rape.
Health, I really hope both mother and child makes it, but if one seems to have a huge chance of dying, I would refer them to their priest/pastor and have a deep discussion with what the medical experts are saying. Sometimes bad things just happen to good people and in these cases I see that happening.
Yes, it does sound like I am straddling the fence here, but those 3 examples are the only ones I find it might be wiser to terminate that pregnancy, but make it at the very onset, not months later when that child is kicking and growing, having eyes, ears, legs, arms and a heart.
Posted By: flashman252

Re: Gotta be missin something here - 06/27/22 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dogfish_Jones
Originally Posted by flashman252
Originally Posted by Dogfish_Jones
You play the game you have to take the results.
Condoms, pull out, IUD's, sponges, whatever you wish to use, the plain fact is you know, she knows that a pregnancy can happen. As I was told as a teenager, the only way you can be certain to not get a girl pregnant is not have sex with her.
A girl should really think more than twice before she spread those legs. Think in terms of if I get pregnant is this the guy who I want as the father of my kids. If your answer is no, then close those legs.
Guy's is this the woman you want as the mother of your kids? If not better not slip into something that might cost you.
Plus.... lets not rule out getting something soap can't wash off either. If she or if he is willing to go do the act, who's to say she/he hasn't done it with many more. I think it would be pretty bad when the doctor walks back into the exam room and tells you you have something that will stay with you the rest of your life. That doctor may walk in and tell you you have something that can't be cured and it will kill you.
Is it worth all that?


Spot on for sure.

With that said, what is everyone thoughts on the trigger laws states are imposing since the ruling? I was just reading about Louisiana's trigger law and how it would only allow abortion for situations that puts the mother at harm. Nothing is mentioned about Rape or incest though. I kind of have a problem with this. To the point of Dogfish, if it's consensual, it's yours but if a woman/girl gets pregnant from rape or incest.... I don't think it is very fair to the child being born. I think there are some women out there strong enough to care for their child from rape but mental health is a real issue in the country right now. Tack on rape to someone not so mentally well, I bet that child has a rough childhood and that opens a whole new set of issues. I don't necessarily disagree with these trigger laws, but I do think rape needs to be addressed in them.


As much as I abhor abortions, I do find solace in viewing instances where "maybe" it is the best option...not the first option or only option.
Rape, I can see where that woman could not wish to carry that child that would remind her everyday of that terrible event.
Incest, those are people who are already pretty messed up. But if it was a rape with incest, I fall back under the rule of rape.
Health, I really hope both mother and child makes it, but if one seems to have a huge chance of dying, I would refer them to their priest/pastor and have a deep discussion with what the medical experts are saying. Sometimes bad things just happen to good people and in these cases I see that happening.
Yes, it does sound like I am straddling the fence here, but those 3 examples are the only ones I find it might be wiser to terminate that pregnancy, but make it at the very onset, not months later when that child is kicking and growing, having eyes, ears, legs, arms and a heart.



Exactly where I am at. I will add if incest was consensual then you have to live with in my opinion but there are MAJOR issues already pre-existing here. As far as medical reasoning, I agree 100% as well. I think if it is in the last trimester, most times an emergency C-section can be performed and baby can come out a little early and be ok in most cases. I do not have much experience in mother baby from a medical perspective, as I do not do well with babies and I have no kids of my own, so I am just going off of friends experiences when I make this statement. But your comments are spot on with what I am thinking when reading about these Trigger laws and I do not think you are straddling the fence. Nothing in life is exactly black and white and this is not one of those cases.
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