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Should Governments End gas Taxes?

Posted By: a777pilot

Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:33 PM

Yes!

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As a founder of the Chicago school of economic theory, Friedman generally believed that less government intervention in the economy would lead to increased prosperity and growth. When applied to tax policy, this idea led him to an unequivocal determination: "I am in favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever possible."

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Posted By: Emit R Detsaw

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:38 PM

Me and 3 other neighbors have to maintain our own road. It's a pita most of the time. Potholes have to get axle deep on the truck before we can all agree to buy a truckload of gravel. Sure wish we could use some of the collected gas tax to maintain it.
Posted By: hopalong

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:41 PM

heard this morning that the fed gas tax cut for 3 months will cost 25 billion in lost revenue, they would just find another way for us to support their graft and boondoggles. I have a feeling that it would lead to a use tax on per mile basis, NO THANK YOU!

gas tax is what I call an invisible tax, included in price so you don't normally think about it and I am fine with that as is.
Posted By: hopalong

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
Me and 3 other neighbors have to maintain our own road. It's a pita most of the time. Potholes have to get axle deep on the truck before we can all agree to buy a truckload of gravel. Sure wish we could use some of the collected gas tax to maintain it.



start spreading portland cement on it, just shovel toss it and if someone has one a harrow to work it in some. it will turn it into a good road eventually, it's how they used to do road base on highways and it stabilizes the soil excellent.
Posted By: RickS.

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:46 PM

How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:49 PM

It will make inflation worse.
Posted By: Brian Spagnola

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:51 PM

Did I hear right it would only reduce the cost 18 cents per gallon? I mean I guess 5 bucks is 5 bucks but it won't help much.
Posted By: Emit R Detsaw

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by hopalong
Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
Me and 3 other neighbors have to maintain our own road. It's a pita most of the time. Potholes have to get axle deep on the truck before we can all agree to buy a truckload of gravel. Sure wish we could use some of the collected gas tax to maintain it.



start spreading portland cement on it, just shovel toss it and if someone has one a harrow to work it in some. it will turn it into a good road eventually, it's how they used to do road base on highways and it stabilizes the soil excellent.


The whole thing needs to be redone. When they put the road in they used that thick road bead material, but it was used and had holes in it. Then one of the guys leveled out the crown in the road because his wife's car drug when she straddled the crown. It was put down where pasture used to be, it's just deep dirt underneath.When I had piers put on a corner of my house they didn't hit resistance for 22 feet. I filled the holes with gravel over concrete one year, that patch lasted at least a couple years, but eventually even that got busted up and went through the holes in the fabric. One thing nice about the potholes, it slows down some of the delivery trucks, and the dust. LOL
Posted By: Allison1

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:01 PM

The reason that the infrastructure bill is needed now is that we used to increase the tax to account for cost and inflation.
The last time we adjusted the federal fuel tax was in 1994. That is why we should not have a gas tax holiday.
Actually an adjustment every 5 or 10 years would have made more sense.

That is why toll roads have blossomed in the US. The most costly highway project.



Posted By: forkduc

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:18 PM

Federal taxes go toward maintaining the Interstate highway system, state towards state highways.
Posted By: grandbassslayer

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Allison1
The reason that the infrastructure bill is needed now is that we used to increase the tax to account for cost and inflation.
The last time we adjusted the federal fuel tax was in 1994. That is why we should not have a gas tax holiday.
Actually an adjustment every 5 or 10 years would have made more sense.

That is why toll roads have blossomed in the US. The most costly highway project.




Nothing wrong with toll roads, anytime you can get a tax as close as you can to the actual person using the service is a good thing. If you don’t use a toll road you’re not paying for it. Americans should have to pay their own taxes- not have withholdings. Then the 50% that actually pay would wake up and see how screwed we are. We have the most progressive tax system on Earth yet the bottom half repeat the same lies parroted by the left about the rich not paying their fair share…
Posted By: Ted Dyer

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked
Posted By: DI

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.


this is the way, the only way.
Posted By: steveiam

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked


He said government l, as in current government, he never said anything about our country-

But then, you already knew that, didn’t you-
Posted By: Pilothawk

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:48 PM

It is a scam.

If gas tax is eliminated….they will just say they have to increase taxes on the wealthy to keep the highway fund up.

Big government socialists are in charge….redirecting taxes from their voters toward those who don’t support them is the essence of their agenda.
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by steveiam
Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked


He said government l, as in current government, he never said anything about our country-

But then, you already knew that, didn’t you-


Words are important. thumb
Posted By: tmd11111

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 04:00 PM

EV owners aren't paying it so why should I
Posted By: grandbassslayer

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Pilothawk
It is a scam.

If gas tax is eliminated….they will just say they have to increase taxes on the wealthy to keep the highway fund up.

Big government socialists are in charge….redirecting taxes from their voters toward those who don’t support them is the essence of their agenda.

You are correct, but plenty of republicans don’t pay federal income taxes either or pay very, very little.
Posted By: RickS.

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked



Way to twist chit.
Posted By: JCG57

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 04:35 PM

Suspending the gas tax will increase the deficit which will be financed with increasingly expensive debt. That debt will eventually have to be settled with income taxes. So given the choice between a use tax and a politicized income tax I will pick the use tax every time.
Posted By: 921 Phoenix

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 04:39 PM

Ending the gas tax will absolutely hurt our roads and do little to nothing to help most of us.

We will not get to the green energy they want in our life time without destroying this country first. we don’t have the infrastructure

This is all to destroy nothing these clowns do is for our good.
They don’t want us helped if they did they would do away with most of the
EPA regulations and red tape for refineries and drill for more oil. Those two things will change our economy for the better.

They are using stupid global warming bs to destroy us and we are letting them
We are using are food ,corn, for fuel when it has a better use say in cornbread
We quit using the cheapest energy coal to power our country because of bleeding heart nuts

They want EV cars which aren’t a bad idea especially for big cities but there is not enough electric power plants to deliver electricity or infrastructure to get it to the houses

We need to get rid of everything green energy till we at least put in the infrastructure
Posted By: Ghost4BH

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked

Reading comprehension is hard for Teddy.
Posted By: Fishin' Nut

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 04:56 PM

Ending the gas tax only opens up the idea of taxing you on the mileage you drive.
Posted By: WAWI

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 05:00 PM

So you have a something that is currently high due to supply and demand issues at the current price, you artificially lower the price by temporarily reducing the tax on it, therefore demand in theory rises. So the price will?????? I'm just throwing this out there because the government monkeys around with stuff and sometimes what needs to happen is allow market to correct itself. I could say the same about the government messing around with the supply curve of oil which they have absolutely done also. The government throws trillions into the economy because it shut the economy down, created supply chain issues by paying people not to work, created labor inflation by their 15 dollar an hour shpew, then seeks to correct the issue by raising interest rates into an impending recession. Half of what this crew in power is doing is window dressing for the election, the other half is just stupid. When the democrats forced the shutdown by causing mass hysteria about a bad flu year they set in motion a train of events that will take 10 years to unwind. As to the Russians, if we didnt have a bunch of idiots in the White House they would have never set foot in Ukraine so any issues from that lay at the feet of the dems, and the idiot rinos who wasted votes on Mickey mouse.
Posted By: Chris B

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 05:18 PM

Just open the gulf and Alaska back up and the price will probably drop a dollar today.
Posted By: YEE_YEE

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 05:20 PM

And raise the fart tax ?
Posted By: Ghost4BH

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by WAWI
So you have a something that is currently high due to supply and demand issues at the current price, you artificially lower the price by temporarily reducing the tax on it, therefore demand in theory rises. So the price will?????? I'm just throwing this out there because the government monkeys around with stuff and sometimes what needs to happen is allow market to correct itself. I could say the same about the government messing around with the supply curve of oil which they have absolutely done also. The government throws trillions into the economy because it shut the economy down, created supply chain issues by paying people not to work, created labor inflation by their 15 dollar an hour shpew, then seeks to correct the issue by raising interest rates into an impending recession. Half of what this crew in power is doing is window dressing for the election, the other half is just stupid. When the democrats forced the shutdown by causing mass hysteria about a bad flu year they set in motion a train of events that will take 10 years to unwind. As to the Russians, if we didnt have a bunch of idiots in the White House they would have never set foot in Ukraine so any issues from that lay at the feet of the dems, and the idiot rinos who wasted votes on Mickey mouse.

Our resident oil and economics expert will be along in 3……………2……………1……….
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ghost4BH
Originally Posted by WAWI
So you have a something that is currently high due to supply and demand issues at the current price, you artificially lower the price by temporarily reducing the tax on it, therefore demand in theory rises. So the price will?????? I'm just throwing this out there because the government monkeys around with stuff and sometimes what needs to happen is allow market to correct itself. I could say the same about the government messing around with the supply curve of oil which they have absolutely done also. The government throws trillions into the economy because it shut the economy down, created supply chain issues by paying people not to work, created labor inflation by their 15 dollar an hour shpew, then seeks to correct the issue by raising interest rates into an impending recession. Half of what this crew in power is doing is window dressing for the election, the other half is just stupid. When the democrats forced the shutdown by causing mass hysteria about a bad flu year they set in motion a train of events that will take 10 years to unwind. As to the Russians, if we didnt have a bunch of idiots in the White House they would have never set foot in Ukraine so any issues from that lay at the feet of the dems, and the idiot rinos who wasted votes on Mickey mouse.

Our resident oil and economics expert will be along in 3……………2……………1……….


They study oil economics at the mailman academy
Posted By: Ghost4BH

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Bigbob_FTW
Originally Posted by Ghost4BH
Originally Posted by WAWI
So you have a something that is currently high due to supply and demand issues at the current price, you artificially lower the price by temporarily reducing the tax on it, therefore demand in theory rises. So the price will?????? I'm just throwing this out there because the government monkeys around with stuff and sometimes what needs to happen is allow market to correct itself. I could say the same about the government messing around with the supply curve of oil which they have absolutely done also. The government throws trillions into the economy because it shut the economy down, created supply chain issues by paying people not to work, created labor inflation by their 15 dollar an hour shpew, then seeks to correct the issue by raising interest rates into an impending recession. Half of what this crew in power is doing is window dressing for the election, the other half is just stupid. When the democrats forced the shutdown by causing mass hysteria about a bad flu year they set in motion a train of events that will take 10 years to unwind. As to the Russians, if we didnt have a bunch of idiots in the White House they would have never set foot in Ukraine so any issues from that lay at the feet of the dems, and the idiot rinos who wasted votes on Mickey mouse.

Our resident oil and economics expert will be along in 3……………2……………1……….


They study oil economics at the mailman academy

Must be an Ivy League institution.
Posted By: tmd11111

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Fishin' Nut
Ending the gas tax only opens up the idea of taxing you on the mileage you drive.


With EV sales soaring and increased CAFE standards its just a matter if time.
Posted By: a777pilot

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 06:06 PM

Eliminate/reduce any and all taxes!
Posted By: Emit R Detsaw

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pilothawk
It is a scam.

If gas tax is eliminated….they will just say they have to increase taxes on the wealthy to keep the highway fund up.

Big government socialists are in charge….redirecting taxes from their voters toward those who don’t support them is the essence of their agenda.


Naw, it will go the other route. Eliminating the gas tax, then cutting the subsidies to oil/gas companies. Then the oil/gas companies will pass that on to consumers. So the gas tax cut will not save anything and may cost consumers more.
Posted By: a777pilot

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 06:38 PM

In a free-market capitalistic system overseen by a democratic elected Republic, there is no reason to tax personal income or tax private personal property. In fact, it is counter productive to tax these two personal items.
Posted By: Donpilot

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 07:27 PM

If they drop the tax, what happens when it is reinstated. Gas jumps $.20 a gallon overnight, there would be riots!
Posted By: Ted Dyer

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by RickS.
Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked



Way to twist chit.

Since sarcasm appears to be lost on this crowd, let's go with the literal....
It seems like if you end the government, remove every single politician and think we have had decades of utter failures that you might not be happy with how the country is doing, but maybe not.
Posted By: Ghost4BH

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked



Way to twist chit.

Since sarcasm appears to be lost on this crowd, let's go with the literal....
It seems like if you end the government, remove every single politician and think we have had decades of utter failures that you might not be happy with how the country is doing, but maybe not.

We’ll, we’re definitely not happy with the collection of Carl’s you love and support, Teddy. And no, you weren’t being sarcastic, it’s just an easy excuse for you to use.
Posted By: RedRanger521

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 10:30 PM

I thought that Joe's infrastructure bill was going to fix all the roads and bridges etc? along w enhance the funding of the Green Projects and Covid Relief.
Where have our previous gas taxes gone too if not for Infrastructure-fixing the roads and bridges? Oh-i know-not for fixing them but I am sure they were diverted to something important such as Gender/Woke/CRT studies or along those lines.

just my uninformed opinion
Posted By: Ligercat

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/22/22 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by RedRanger521
I thought that Joe's infrastructure bill was going to fix all the roads and bridges etc? along w enhance the funding of the Green Projects and Covid Relief.
Where have our previous gas taxes gone too if not for Infrastructure-fixing the roads and bridges? Oh-i know-not for fixing them but I am sure they were diverted to something important such as Gender/Woke/CRT studies or along those lines.

just my uninformed opinion


If I remember correctly, that $1 trillion dollar boondoggle, had $40 billion allocated for roads and bridges. It is complete bs. When he was politicking for it to pass, every time he would mentioned “our crumbling roads and bridges” but never mentioned only a fraction would be allocated for such.
Posted By: Stump jumper

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Ligercat
Originally Posted by RedRanger521
I thought that Joe's infrastructure bill was going to fix all the roads and bridges etc? along w enhance the funding of the Green Projects and Covid Relief.
Where have our previous gas taxes gone too if not for Infrastructure-fixing the roads and bridges? Oh-i know-not for fixing them but I am sure they were diverted to something important such as Gender/Woke/CRT studies or along those lines.

just my uninformed opinion


If I remember correctly, that $1 trillion dollar boondoggle, had $40 billion allocated for roads and bridges. It is complete bs. When he was politicking for it to pass, every time he would mentioned “our crumbling roads and bridges” but never mentioned only a fraction would be allocated for such.

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Posted By: Rayzor

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 12:48 AM

When has any tax or fee been eliminated without something else talking its place? The US government never reduces incoming money. Just like they never have layoffs.
Posted By: RickS.

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
Originally Posted by Ted Dyer
Originally Posted by RickS.
How about we just end this government. Decades of utter failures by lifelong politicians has brought us here. Time to remove every single one of them.

You don't like our country? shocked



Way to twist chit.

Since sarcasm appears to be lost on this crowd, let's go with the literal....
It seems like if you end the government, remove every single politician and think we have had decades of utter failures that you might not be happy with how the country is doing, but maybe not.


It's the fundamental duty of all Americans to question the government. More so, since being in the government has gone from being something one did as a service to their country, to a career choice. When laws and funding are determined by politicians stock trades. (Well documented on both sides) The government can't be trusted to look out for the best interests of the people.
Posted By: Ted Dyer

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by RickS.
It's the fundamental duty of all Americans to question the government. More so, since being in the government has gone from being something one did as a service to their country, to a career choice. When laws and funding are determined by politicians stock trades. (Well documented on both sides) The government can't be trusted to look out for the best interests of the people.

I agree completely
Posted By: Bob Davis

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Chris B
Just open the gulf and Alaska back up and the price will probably drop a dollar today.



Yep. Undo the restrictions on drilling and the pipelines. In other words, erase all of the damage done by the feeble minded one since Jan. 2021.
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bob Davis
Originally Posted by Chris B
Just open the gulf and Alaska back up and the price will probably drop a dollar today.



Yep. Undo the restrictions on drilling and the pipelines. In other words, erase all of the damage done by the feeble minded one since Jan. 2021.


And increase refinery capacity.
Posted By: Patriot Guard Rider

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 12:57 PM

Eliminating the fed gas tax will lower the cost of a full tank of gas for my small SUV by less than $3. Big Whoo! And depending on how long it lasts may not help at all, unless it's for an extended period of time and even then it will not be a major impact. This is a big smokescreen and only the fools who listen to the foolishness coming out of the administration will fall for it.

Get oil production back up in this country where we are again self-sufficient. And stop with the lies about how many leases the oil companies are not using. It's not the leases, it's the actual drilling permits (or lack of from Sleepy Joe's folks) on those leases that is the problem. Drill it ourselves and quit buying oil from countries that hate us but will take our money all day long.

Interesting article about profits in a gallon of gas:

Gas profits!
Posted By: Dan21XRS

Re: Should Governments End gas Taxes? - 06/23/22 01:08 PM

No... We'll just pay for it another way, another tax, another fee... Dan
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