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Abbott gets serious

Posted By: K.D.

Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:50 AM

If the Feds don’t want to secure the border, Abbott sure took a huge step today. This is 35 minutes but full of info and new actions being implemented


Posted By: K.D.

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:55 AM

Not sure why it’s not starting at the beginning. You may have to drag the bar back to the start
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 03:15 AM

cheers
Posted By: banker-always fishing

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 03:33 AM

God Bless Texas! texas
Posted By: Scoundrel

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 03:40 AM

I thought the border czar took care of all that down in Central America / Mexico this week? confused 3
Posted By: Kicker16

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 04:29 AM

texas
Posted By: bloo_rainger

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Scoundrel
I thought the border czar took care of all that down in Central America / Mexico this week? confused 3


Valid point.
The Czar told them not to come.
Problem solved.
flame
Posted By: marschall

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 11:21 AM

Why now it must be getting close to election time LOL
Posted By: Longeye

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Scoundrel
I thought the border czar took care of all that down in Central America / Mexico this week? confused 3


Chit, she ain't nothing but a big lying blowhard manhole.
Posted By: gander

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by marschall
Why now it must be getting close to election time LOL
Good point but I am happy about it anyway
Posted By: Brandon Adamcik

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:22 PM

Too little too late
Posted By: 572Fitter

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:25 PM

Hell yes !
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:35 PM

I hope Allen west runs, but if not I'm voting for chad prather.
Posted By: HasBen

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:35 PM

I support any action we take as a state to eliminate the flood of illegals. Texas has been abandon by the Biden administration concerning immigration, so it is time we addressed the issue ourselves. An incompetent President and adminstration should not stop us.
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:38 PM

How about instead of fences, we just put up no trespassing signs. I think this would be a lot cheaper and more effective than a big giant wall people just jump over. You could space the signs out every couple hundred yards. Write them in Spanish and in English. Big bold letters. NO TRESSPASSING, IF YOU PASS THIS SIGN YOU WILL BE SHOT. Then if anyone passes the sign, you shoot them. Leave them lay as a warning. I imagine it wouldn't take very long and Wahla! No more illegal boarder crossing problem.
Posted By: JackMason

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:45 PM

I'm all in with keeping criminals out. Wish the good hard working could get visas easier and faster.
I need workers due to the laziness of what we have now!
Posted By: Stump jumper

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:47 PM

I am not a fan of taking land away from ranchers on the Rio Grande. There is also issues with wildlife. Walls are OK in high traffic areas around cities but not out in the country. I say let them take their chances with the rattlesnakes, heat, and lack of water. Electronic surveillance would be a much better option in areas outside of the cities.
Posted By: donothin

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:51 PM

Another definition of "Stupid is as stupid does".
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by JackMason
I'm all in with keeping criminals out. Wish the good hard working could get visas easier and faster.
I need workers due to the laziness of what we have now!


Quit paying them to stay home. Its not complicated.
Posted By: HasBen

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by donothin
Another definition of "Stupid is as stupid does".


I thought the same thing when I heard Kamala talk about the border crisis the other day.
Posted By: JackMason

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by HasBen
Originally Posted by donothin
Another definition of "Stupid is as stupid does".


I thought the same thing when I heard Kamala talk about the border crisis the other day.

Yep, she's way in over her head!
Posted By: MBradford

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by K.D.
If the Feds don’t want to secure the border, Abbott sure took a huge step today. This is 35 minutes but full of info and new actions being implemented





confused 3
Posted By: John175☮

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 01:15 PM

Gosh now I see why he was too busy to sign the Constitutional Carry Bill. He was working up an awesome plan that will be stopped dead in its tracks by a Federal Lawsuit. I see he's more in to grandiose gestures.
Posted By: hopalong

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by John175☮
Gosh now I see why he was too busy to sign the Constitutional Carry Bill. He was working up an awesome plan that will be stopped dead in its tracks by a Federal Lawsuit. I see he's more in to grandiose gestures.



I don't see much the feds can do when we will be fencing our state and not federal lands, they have no say over what we do in Tx. for Tx.

what will more likely happen is they will find some funding to deny and make some federal stuff more of a pain than it is now but they can't tell us not to build the wall.
same for trespassing etc. we won't be enforcing immigration law but local/state law that the feds again have no say in.


next we need to lay about 10k per head fines for any and all illegals found employed in the state, fine the business that hires and be hard about it. poof, the problem will pretty much disappear.

Okies passed a law that made it a state felony to hire, house etc. an illegal. within 2 weeks they were pretty much gone. unfortunately the feds. and morons stepped in and they had to amend it which gutted it pretty bad.


there are easy ways to take care of the problem, I still think sniper school on the rio and leave the bodies lay as a warning. poof, no more illegals crossing the rio grande.
Posted By: Bob Davis

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 01:36 PM

I think Matthew McConaughey and Robert Francis O'Rourke should run for Governor as a team. McConaughey could get naked, high and play the bongos while BETO dances ballet in his high school dress.

Hopefully the Conservatives, being stupid as usual, will split their votes between a few unknowns so Abbott loses. Then comes crying in the beer time while Gun control and confiscation begins and the border wall is ripped completely down.

Idiots.
Posted By: MBradford

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 01:58 PM

Is Mexico going to pay for all of this?
Posted By: grandbassslayer

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by MBradford
Is Mexico going to pay for all of this?

Every country on Earth defends its border, even the socialist hellholes you dream of. For some reason we should not....
Posted By: Hookem

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:39 PM

It must be rainy day.
Posted By: Tsunami_1

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:45 PM

I thought we had already built the walls. What have we been doing all this time? I was told the walls were going to be built and that Mexico was paying to have this done. I guess I need to pay more attention when promises are made.
Posted By: Emit R Detsaw

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tsunami_1
I thought we had already built the walls. What have we been doing all this time? I was told the walls were going to be built and that Mexico was paying to have this done. I guess I need to pay more attention when promises are made.

Some of the land/properties that had been proposed for wall are still under eminent domain lawsuits.
Posted By: Floon Swenson

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Stump jumper
I am not a fan of taking land away from ranchers on the Rio Grande. There is also issues with wildlife. Walls are OK in high traffic areas around cities but not out in the country. I say let them take their chances with the rattlesnakes, heat, and lack of water. Electronic surveillance would be a much better option in areas outside of the cities.


Completely agree. It's like you are reading my mind.
Posted By: pchapin

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 02:51 PM

I have voted for three Texas governors who promised me they would secure the border. So far, not so much.
Posted By: Po Boy

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bob Davis
I think Matthew McConaughey and Robert Francis O'Rourke should run for Governor as a team. McConaughey could get naked, high and play the bongos while BETO dances ballet in his high school dress.

Hopefully the Conservatives, being stupid as usual, will split their votes between a few unknowns so Abbott loses. Then comes crying in the beer time while Gun control and confiscation begins and the border wall is ripped completely down.

Idiots.



This hits the NAIL ON THE HEAD. “Abbott has not signed the Constitutional Carry Law so he needs to go”. This thinking will get you a big idiot in the Governor’s office.
Posted By: Ghost4BH

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by donothin
Another definition of "Stupid is as stupid does".

You’re Carl, not Forrest. Quit stealing his lines.
Posted By: MBradford

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 03:19 PM

Maybe Brian Kolfage will start another fundraiser to pay for the wall.
Posted By: Stump jumper

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by JackMason
Originally Posted by HasBen
Originally Posted by donothin
Another definition of "Stupid is as stupid does".


I thought the same thing when I heard Kamala talk about the border crisis the other day.

Yep, she's way in over her head!

She was when elected
Posted By: Allison1

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by hopalong
Originally Posted by John175☮
Gosh now I see why he was too busy to sign the Constitutional Carry Bill. He was working up an awesome plan that will be stopped dead in its tracks by a Federal Lawsuit. I see he's more in to grandiose gestures.



I don't see much the feds can do when we will be fencing our state and not federal lands, they have no say over what we do in Tx. for Tx.

what will more likely happen is they will find some funding to deny and make some federal stuff more of a pain than it is now but they can't tell us not to build the wall.
same for trespassing etc. we won't be enforcing immigration law but local/state law that the feds again have no say in.


next we need to lay about 10k per head fines for any and all illegals found employed in the state, fine the business that hires and be hard about it. poof, the problem will pretty much disappear.

Okies passed a law that made it a state felony to hire, house etc. an illegal. within 2 weeks they were pretty much gone. unfortunately the feds. and morons stepped in and they had to amend it which gutted it pretty bad.


there are easy ways to take care of the problem, I still think sniper school on the rio and leave the bodies lay as a warning. poof, no more illegals crossing the rio grande.


That is what we should have done when Reagan allowed all those illegals to become citizens in the 80's.
It would have worked then and it will work now.
But no, lets put up a wall and not use common sense.

Make laws to address the problem.
Try to lift up Central America.
It would work if we tried.


Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Allison1
Originally Posted by hopalong
Originally Posted by John175☮
Gosh now I see why he was too busy to sign the Constitutional Carry Bill. He was working up an awesome plan that will be stopped dead in its tracks by a Federal Lawsuit. I see he's more in to grandiose gestures.



I don't see much the feds can do when we will be fencing our state and not federal lands, they have no say over what we do in Tx. for Tx.

what will more likely happen is they will find some funding to deny and make some federal stuff more of a pain than it is now but they can't tell us not to build the wall.
same for trespassing etc. we won't be enforcing immigration law but local/state law that the feds again have no say in.


next we need to lay about 10k per head fines for any and all illegals found employed in the state, fine the business that hires and be hard about it. poof, the problem will pretty much disappear.

Okies passed a law that made it a state felony to hire, house etc. an illegal. within 2 weeks they were pretty much gone. unfortunately the feds. and morons stepped in and they had to amend it which gutted it pretty bad.


there are easy ways to take care of the problem, I still think sniper school on the rio and leave the bodies lay as a warning. poof, no more illegals crossing the rio grande.


That is what we should have done when Reagan allowed all those illegals to become citizens in the 80's.
It would have worked then and it will work now.
But no, lets put up a wall and not use common sense.

Make laws to address the problem.
Try to lift up Central America.
It would work if we tried.




Cut off the water and they'll leave. You're right to criticize Reagan. He opened a he spigot.
Posted By: Beak47

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 05:13 PM

Considering what he has to deal with on Covid and Sleepy Joe trying to kill the oil and gas industry as well as opening the border to ANYTHiNG Abbott aint done bad! At least I think he works at it 24 hours a day ! Beto makes me vomit and MM not much better!
Posted By: Jamoke

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 05:25 PM

My Daughter who is a US citizen and has a passport wanted to see the Canadian Side of Niagara Falls. She was told that Canada is closed and has been closed for the past year to NON Essential personnel last week. So ALL of Canada is closed to everyone who is not required, yet we can't restrict access across our state or nations borders. I never heard about this in any of the news. Why aren't the libs upset with Canada?
Posted By: Scoundrel

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Allison1
Originally Posted by hopalong
Originally Posted by John175☮
Gosh now I see why he was too busy to sign the Constitutional Carry Bill. He was working up an awesome plan that will be stopped dead in its tracks by a Federal Lawsuit. I see he's more in to grandiose gestures.



I don't see much the feds can do when we will be fencing our state and not federal lands, they have no say over what we do in Tx. for Tx.

what will more likely happen is they will find some funding to deny and make some federal stuff more of a pain than it is now but they can't tell us not to build the wall.
same for trespassing etc. we won't be enforcing immigration law but local/state law that the feds again have no say in.


next we need to lay about 10k per head fines for any and all illegals found employed in the state, fine the business that hires and be hard about it. poof, the problem will pretty much disappear.

Okies passed a law that made it a state felony to hire, house etc. an illegal. within 2 weeks they were pretty much gone. unfortunately the feds. and morons stepped in and they had to amend it which gutted it pretty bad.


there are easy ways to take care of the problem, I still think sniper school on the rio and leave the bodies lay as a warning. poof, no more illegals crossing the rio grande.


That is what we should have done when Reagan allowed all those illegals to become citizens in the 80's.
It would have worked then and it will work now.
But no, lets put up a wall and not use common sense.

Make laws to address the problem.
Try to lift up Central America.
It would work if we tried.



The rate the current admin is going there won’t be anyone left in Central America to lift up. juggle
Posted By: Hookem

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jamoke
My Daughter who is a US citizen and has a passport wanted to see the Canadian Side of Niagara Falls. She was told that Canada is closed and has been closed for the past year to NON Essential personnel last week. So ALL of Canada is closed to everyone who is not required, yet we can't restrict access across our state or nations borders. I never heard about this in any of the news. Why aren't the libs upset with Canada?


It has been in the news.

Also, check the sports. NHL adjusted their schedules, the NBA Toronto Raptors played in the US and the Toronto Bluejays played in Florida and has recently moved closer to home to Buffalo, NY. PGA did not play the Canadian Open this week and instead is playing Congaree Golf Club in the US.
Posted By: Scagnetti

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jamoke
My Daughter who is a US citizen and has a passport wanted to see the Canadian Side of Niagara Falls. She was told that Canada is closed and has been closed for the past year to NON Essential personnel last week. So ALL of Canada is closed to everyone who is not required, yet we can't restrict access across our state or nations borders. I never heard about this in any of the news. Why aren't the libs upset with Canada?


It’s been all over the news for the last 15 months!

Everybody is upset with Canada because they have the strictest travel restrictions of any other developed country and the government has dealt a crippling economic blow to Canada’s $15bn a year tourist industry. There are some of us on here who do annual fishing trips to Canada and we’ve now missed two years in a row because of these travel restrictions
Posted By: Allison1

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bigbob_FTW
Originally Posted by Allison1
Originally Posted by hopalong
Originally Posted by John175☮
Gosh now I see why he was too busy to sign the Constitutional Carry Bill. He was working up an awesome plan that will be stopped dead in its tracks by a Federal Lawsuit. I see he's more in to grandiose gestures.



I don't see much the feds can do when we will be fencing our state and not federal lands, they have no say over what we do in Tx. for Tx.

what will more likely happen is they will find some funding to deny and make some federal stuff more of a pain than it is now but they can't tell us not to build the wall.
same for trespassing etc. we won't be enforcing immigration law but local/state law that the feds again have no say in.


next we need to lay about 10k per head fines for any and all illegals found employed in the state, fine the business that hires and be hard about it. poof, the problem will pretty much disappear.

Okies passed a law that made it a state felony to hire, house etc. an illegal. within 2 weeks they were pretty much gone. unfortunately the feds. and morons stepped in and they had to amend it which gutted it pretty bad.


there are easy ways to take care of the problem, I still think sniper school on the rio and leave the bodies lay as a warning. poof, no more illegals crossing the rio grande.


That is what we should have done when Reagan allowed all those illegals to become citizens in the 80's.
It would have worked then and it will work now.
But no, lets put up a wall and not use common sense.

Make laws to address the problem.
Try to lift up Central America.
It would work if we tried.




Cut off the water and they'll leave. You're right to criticize Reagan. He opened a he spigot.


I don't think I criticized Reagan. I thought at the time that we were going to get the problem under control.

What eventually happened I can compare to the national debt this way.
Reagan didn't like the bill to offer illegals legal status. He was told that to fix the problem we had to deal with people in the country before we made laws to control illegal immigration. He signed the bill assuming Congress would follow up by making laws that would make it easier to find and return people here illegally.
It protected people who had been here for (?) 5 years or something like that but anybody who could not prove they were in the at least that long would not be eligible. You were here back then I think. They gave them a fairly long time to report their presence but many waited till the last couple weeks and the lines to register for the amnesty were longggggg.

Anyway, Congress failed to follow up on the promise. To make it harder for people to live here and make it harder to cross the border. IMO thats the direction we need to go. The level of laws to deter illegals working and living here would directly influence any need to tend to the border.
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 06:27 PM

I don't disagree Allie.
Posted By: John175☮

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Po Boy
Originally Posted by Bob Davis
I think Matthew McConaughey and Robert Francis O'Rourke should run for Governor as a team. McConaughey could get naked, high and play the bongos while BETO dances ballet in his high school dress.

Hopefully the Conservatives, being stupid as usual, will split their votes between a few unknowns so Abbott loses. Then comes crying in the beer time while Gun control and confiscation begins and the border wall is ripped completely down.

Idiots.



This hits the NAIL ON THE HEAD. “Abbott has not signed the Constitutional Carry Law so he needs to go”. This thinking will get you a big idiot in the Governor’s office.


Or he could sign the bill like he said he would just a short month or so ago.
Posted By: Nocona Brian

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by John175☮
Originally Posted by Po Boy
Originally Posted by Bob Davis
I think Matthew McConaughey and Robert Francis O'Rourke should run for Governor as a team. McConaughey could get naked, high and play the bongos while BETO dances ballet in his high school dress.

Hopefully the Conservatives, being stupid as usual, will split their votes between a few unknowns so Abbott loses. Then comes crying in the beer time while Gun control and confiscation begins and the border wall is ripped completely down.

Idiots.



This hits the NAIL ON THE HEAD. “Abbott has not signed the Constitutional Carry Law so he needs to go”. This thinking will get you a big idiot in the Governor’s office.


Or he could sign the bill like he said he would just a short month or so ago.


My understanding is he's got 10 days to veto it or it becomes a law even without a signature. That 10 days is up next Monday.
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2021/06/11/deadline-abbott-constitutional-carry-n46439
Posted By: txmasterpo

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 08:56 PM

If you think a secure national border is somehow racist, you're a special kind of stupid.....I would vote for a real border.....no walk zone, mines, barbed wire, rifle towers......just don't being the message....and then, after you control the border, land and sea, streamline the hell out of immigration....make a clear path to amnesty for good people.... and never allow illegal immigration again.
Posted By: K.D.

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 10:47 PM

I stayed in Catulla which is about 60 miles north of the border last night. This morning getting breakfast in the truck stop I was speaking with a border patrol officer. He said overnight they had 600 more people down there and more coming. He seemed pretty excited about this and acted if it might have some real bite. Time will tell
Posted By: kennerdude

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/11/21 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by txmasterpo
If you think a secure national border is somehow racist, you're a special kind of stupid.....I would vote for a real border.....no walk zone, mines, barbed wire, rifle towers......just don't being the message....and then, after you control the border, land and sea, streamline the hell out of immigration....make a clear path to amnesty for good people.... and never allow illegal immigration again.


Absolutely hell to the yes. The wife went to Israel a few years ago and saw firsthand how they keep terrorists out of their land. We could learn a few things from the Israelis.
And I think you should put employers in prison that hire these skells.
Posted By: deerfeeder

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/12/21 12:16 AM

Electronic surveillance sounds good, but you have to have the bodies available to respond to the intrusion. When I was in the BP and Customs we had seismic sensors that we could move around to hot spots. But, ya know what, those sensors never, ever, popped out of the ground and put handcuffs on anyone. When you are dealing with a group of 10, 20, 50, 100 plus people, you have your hands full.

And then you have to clean (process all of the paper work) what you caught. It's a handful. Because while you are doing that, now those areas are open to run more groups or loads through.
Posted By: Duck_Hunter

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/12/21 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by txmasterpo
If you think a secure national border is somehow racist, you're a special kind of stupid.....I would vote for a real border.....no walk zone, mines, barbed wire, rifle towers......just don't being the message....and then, after you control the border, land and sea, streamline the hell out of immigration....make a clear path to amnesty for good people.... and never allow illegal immigration again.


Yep. The current immigration system, where it takes years to gain citizenship, can be vastly improved. It incentivizes illegal immigration, which is wrong for several reasons. We need a very secure border and a streamlined path to actually allow people in legally. I’m not saying it should be easy to legally immigrate, but it should be easier and less time consuming than it currently is. And it should apply to the best and brightest with a separate system for *actual* refugees and hardship cases.
Posted By: txmasterpo

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted by txmasterpo
If you think a secure national border is somehow racist, you're a special kind of stupid.....I would vote for a real border.....no walk zone, mines, barbed wire, rifle towers......just don't being the message....and then, after you control the border, land and sea, streamline the hell out of immigration....make a clear path to amnesty for good people.... and never allow illegal immigration again.


Yep. The current immigration system, where it takes years to gain citizenship, can be vastly improved. It incentivizes illegal immigration, which is wrong for several reasons. We need a very secure border and a streamlined path to actually allow people in legally. I’m not saying it should be easy to legally immigrate, but it should be easier and less time consuming than it currently is. And it should apply to the best and brightest with a separate system for *actual* refugees and hardship cases.


If you can't agree with this you are irrational....at best.....if you want open borders your reasons have zero to do with humanitarian ideals, and is 100% political gain for your lunatic political party...period
Posted By: JackMason

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by txmasterpo
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted by txmasterpo
If you think a secure national border is somehow racist, you're a special kind of stupid.....I would vote for a real border.....no walk zone, mines, barbed wire, rifle towers......just don't being the message....and then, after you control the border, land and sea, streamline the hell out of immigration....make a clear path to amnesty for good people.... and never allow illegal immigration again.


Yep. The current immigration system, where it takes years to gain citizenship, can be vastly improved. It incentivizes illegal immigration, which is wrong for several reasons. We need a very secure border and a streamlined path to actually allow people in legally. I’m not saying it should be easy to legally immigrate, but it should be easier and less time consuming than it currently is. And it should apply to the best and brightest with a separate system for *actual* refugees and hardship cases.


If you can't agree with this you are irrational....at best.....if you want open borders your reasons have zero to do with humanitarian ideals, and is 100% political gain for your lunatic political party...period


Agree 100%
Posted By: John175☮

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 06:14 PM

Arizona got sued by Obama the 1st. Obama the 2nd will also sue.

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Tuesday sued Arizona over the state’s strict new immigration law, attempting to wrestle back control over the issue but infuriating Republicans who said the border required more security.

The administration argued the Arizona law, which requires state and local police to investigate the immigration status of anyone they reasonably suspect of being an illegal immigrant, is unconstitutional and would sap law enforcement resources.

The Republican-controlled Arizona legislature passed the controversial law to try to stem the flood of thousands of illegal immigrants who cross its border from Mexico and to cut down on drug trafficking and other crimes in the area.

The lawsuit is part of a broader approach by President Barack Obama to deal with the 10.8 million illegal immigrants believed to be in the country, arguing that immigration is the responsibility of the federal government not each state."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...er-immigration-law-idUSTRE6653Q320100707
Posted By: donothin

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 06:14 PM

Agree with Duck Hunter but not with your statement.
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted by txmasterpo
If you think a secure national border is somehow racist, you're a special kind of stupid.....I would vote for a real border.....no walk zone, mines, barbed wire, rifle towers......just don't being the message....and then, after you control the border, land and sea, streamline the hell out of immigration....make a clear path to amnesty for good people.... and never allow illegal immigration again.


Yep. The current immigration system, where it takes years to gain citizenship, can be vastly improved. It incentivizes illegal immigration, which is wrong for several reasons. We need a very secure border and a streamlined path to actually allow people in legally. I’m not saying it should be easy to legally immigrate, but it should be easier and less time consuming than it currently is. And it should apply to the best and brightest with a separate system for *actual* refugees and hardship cases.


at the same time, if you don't penalize the people giving illegals jobs you'll never stem the flow.
Posted By: lconn4

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by bloo_rainger
Originally Posted by Scoundrel
I thought the border czar took care of all that down in Central America / Mexico this week? confused 3


Valid point.
The Czar told them not to come.
Problem solved.
flame


lip service
Posted By: UGLYSHCTICK

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 08:09 PM

Abbot will not stand for illegal immigration.
Posted By: txmasterpo

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by donothin
Agree with Duck Hunter but not with your statement.


Who TF are you? I may not sleep tonight sarcastic
Posted By: JJ4MEL

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by UGLYSHCTICK
Abbot will not stand for illegal immigration.


Ouch
Posted By: John175☮

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/14/21 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by txmasterpo
Originally Posted by donothin
Agree with Duck Hunter but not with your statement.


Who TF are you? I may not sleep tonight sarcastic


He's Carl.
Posted By: TCM3

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 02:50 AM

Yeah he saw his position of power in jeopardy.
He gets more conservative around election time.
Posted By: TCM3

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by JJ4MEL
Originally Posted by UGLYSHCTICK
Abbot will not stand for illegal immigration.


Ouch

Took me a second
Posted By: Tsunami_1

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 02:02 PM

I guess we could put up an electric fence but then we would need to depend on ERCOT not cutting the power off.
Posted By: UGLYSHCTICK

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 02:16 PM

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Posted By: Emit R Detsaw

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by UGLYSHCTICK
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One of the dumbest scenes from the movie. That kid could easily climb thru the fence large openings instead of having to climb over.
Posted By: Razorback

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 02:35 PM

It has been obvious for many years that the Democrat plan is to get as many illegals in the country as possible. Even if they are not made citizens, the children they have here will be citizens and, more importantly, voters. Once they get enough Hispanics in the country they will have an insurmountable majority and it will be impossible for conservative Republicans to win elections. Hispanics vote Democrat at a rate of 75-80%. If Texas goes Republican by a margin of 500,000 votes the math is simple. Bring in enough illegals to overcome that margin. One million Hispanics that vote Democrat 75% of the time = 750,000 Democrats, 250,000 Republicans. There's your 500,000 vote margin.

Texans, and all Americans for that matter, are being disenfranchised by foreigners who will cancel out their votes. This isn't "just happening", it is a plan. It's a strategy. Conservatives have already lost future elections even in places like Texas. We just don't know it yet. When the babies turn 18 years old and start voting we will all know about it.

This is what happened to California, a state that elected Ronald Reagan Governor a couple of generations ago. The politicians who are orchestrating it want Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hondurans come to the U.S. and outvote us. They have sold out our citizens for their own political power.
Posted By: 786

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Longeye
Originally Posted by Scoundrel
I thought the border czar took care of all that down in Central America / Mexico this week? confused 3


Chit, she ain't nothing but a big lying blowhard manhole.


Maybe you're right, but if she wrote "mean" tweets and incited an insurrection against the US, I think you might be more forgiving.
Posted By: txmasterpo

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by John175☮
Originally Posted by txmasterpo
Originally Posted by donothin
Agree with Duck Hunter but not with your statement.


Who TF are you? I may not sleep tonight sarcastic


He's Carl.


is that like a male ish "Karen"?
Posted By: 786

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by hopalong
Originally Posted by John175☮
Gosh now I see why he was too busy to sign the Constitutional Carry Bill. He was working up an awesome plan that will be stopped dead in its tracks by a Federal Lawsuit. I see he's more in to grandiose gestures.



I don't see much the feds can do when we will be fencing our state and not federal lands, they have no say over what we do in Tx. for Tx.

what will more likely happen is they will find some funding to deny and make some federal stuff more of a pain than it is now but they can't tell us not to build the wall.
same for trespassing etc. we won't be enforcing immigration law but local/state law that the feds again have no say in.


next we need to lay about 10k per head fines for any and all illegals found employed in the state, fine the business that hires and be hard about it. poof, the problem will pretty much disappear.

Okies passed a law that made it a state felony to hire, house etc. an illegal. within 2 weeks they were pretty much gone. unfortunately the feds. and morons stepped in and they had to amend it which gutted it pretty bad.


there are easy ways to take care of the problem, I still think sniper school on the rio and leave the bodies lay as a warning. poof, no more illegals crossing the rio grande.


Are you sure about Texas doing whatever it wants about border security? I suspect federal jurisdiction over US international borders will trump state government. One option would be to secede and then do what you want.
Posted By: Tsunami_1

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Razorback
It has been obvious for many years that the Democrat plan is to get as many illegals in the country as possible. Even if they are not made citizens, the children they have here will be citizens and, more importantly, voters. Once they get enough Hispanics in the country they will have an insurmountable majority and it will be impossible for conservative Republicans to win elections. Hispanics vote Democrat at a rate of 75-80%. If Texas goes Republican by a margin of 500,000 votes the math is simple. Bring in enough illegals to overcome that margin. One million Hispanics that vote Democrat 75% of the time = 750,000 Democrats, 250,000 Republicans. There's your 500,000 vote margin.

Texans, and all Americans for that matter, are being disenfranchised by foreigners who will cancel out their votes. This isn't "just happening", it is a plan. It's a strategy. Conservatives have already lost future elections even in places like Texas. We just don't know it yet. When the babies turn 18 years old and start voting we will all know about it.

This is what happened to California, a state that elected Ronald Reagan Governor a couple of generations ago. The politicians who are orchestrating it want Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hondurans come to the U.S. and outvote us. They have sold out our citizens for their own political power.

This right here is thinking at a new level. I would never question your thinking, you've obviously put a lot of thought into this but, yes there's always a but, considering the ease at which the Dems stoled the last Election, why go to all this trouble? It's kind of like starting a fire by rubbing 2 stick together when you have a lighter in your pocket.
Posted By: Dan90210 ☮

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 04:28 PM

If he is so serious why did he not work to maybe get some funding in the last session?

Its great talk but it feels like just talk so he can add it to his political ads in the near future.

Thats Abbott all I have to say about that.
Posted By: K.D.

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Dan90210 ☮
If he is so serious why did he not work to maybe get some funding in the last session?

Its great talk but it feels like just talk so he can add it to his political ads in the near future.

Thats Abbott all I have to say about that.


I don't know if you watched the video but in it he signed a billion dollar allocation of funds towards this. I'm down here for my weekly pick up. The presence is obvious. State troopers every where. In the truck stop the clerks asked what I thought about all of them here. Several border patrol were in the store talking to the clerks and I overheard one say they got moved from the valley to here. I've only hit 2 stores but it's definitely a point of conversation
Posted By: Oldrabbit

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tsunami_1
Originally Posted by Razorback
It has been obvious for many years that the Democrat plan is to get as many illegals in the country as possible. Even if they are not made citizens, the children they have here will be citizens and, more importantly, voters. Once they get enough Hispanics in the country they will have an insurmountable majority and it will be impossible for conservative Republicans to win elections. Hispanics vote Democrat at a rate of 75-80%. If Texas goes Republican by a margin of 500,000 votes the math is simple. Bring in enough illegals to overcome that margin. One million Hispanics that vote Democrat 75% of the time = 750,000 Democrats, 250,000 Republicans. There's your 500,000 vote margin.

Texans, and all Americans for that matter, are being disenfranchised by foreigners who will cancel out their votes. This isn't "just happening", it is a plan. It's a strategy. Conservatives have already lost future elections even in places like Texas. We just don't know it yet. When the babies turn 18 years old and start voting we will all know about it.

This is what happened to California, a state that elected Ronald Reagan Governor a couple of generations ago. The politicians who are orchestrating it want Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hondurans come to the U.S. and outvote us. They have sold out our citizens for their own political power.

This right here is thinking at a new level. I would never question your thinking, you've obviously put a lot of thought into this but, yes there's always a but, considering the ease at which the Dems stoled the last Election, why go to all this trouble? It's kind of like starting a fire by rubbing 2 stick together when you have a lighter in your pocket.

The reason is that when they started the above process, the voting process was more secure. Now that voting machines can be hacked, ballots manipulated so they read wrong and the WOKE folks can put up visual barriers and kick out the observers during the vote counting, I guess they could stop it. But when plan "A" is working and plan "B" is working they will just keep on doing it.
Posted By: Emit R Detsaw

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/15/21 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Oldrabbit
Originally Posted by Tsunami_1
Originally Posted by Razorback
It has been obvious for many years that the Democrat plan is to get as many illegals in the country as possible. Even if they are not made citizens, the children they have here will be citizens and, more importantly, voters. Once they get enough Hispanics in the country they will have an insurmountable majority and it will be impossible for conservative Republicans to win elections. Hispanics vote Democrat at a rate of 75-80%. If Texas goes Republican by a margin of 500,000 votes the math is simple. Bring in enough illegals to overcome that margin. One million Hispanics that vote Democrat 75% of the time = 750,000 Democrats, 250,000 Republicans. There's your 500,000 vote margin.

Texans, and all Americans for that matter, are being disenfranchised by foreigners who will cancel out their votes. This isn't "just happening", it is a plan. It's a strategy. Conservatives have already lost future elections even in places like Texas. We just don't know it yet. When the babies turn 18 years old and start voting we will all know about it.

This is what happened to California, a state that elected Ronald Reagan Governor a couple of generations ago. The politicians who are orchestrating it want Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hondurans come to the U.S. and outvote us. They have sold out our citizens for their own political power.

This right here is thinking at a new level. I would never question your thinking, you've obviously put a lot of thought into this but, yes there's always a but, considering the ease at which the Dems stoled the last Election, why go to all this trouble? It's kind of like starting a fire by rubbing 2 stick together when you have a lighter in your pocket.

The reason is that when they started the above process, the voting process was more secure. Now that voting machines can be hacked, ballots manipulated so they read wrong and the WOKE folks can put up visual barriers and kick out the observers during the vote counting, I guess they could stop it. But when plan "A" is working and plan "B" is working they will just keep on doing it.



The saddest part is that there are a lot of people that still believe those lies.

A boarder wall is a 1 inch bandaid on a 3 inch problem. Not saying one isn't needed but doesn't stop illegal immigration. Prior to Covid the number 1 factor on the number of illegal immigrants was visa overstays.
Posted By: Bigbob_FTW

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/16/21 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
Originally Posted by Oldrabbit
Originally Posted by Tsunami_1
Originally Posted by Razorback
It has been obvious for many years that the Democrat plan is to get as many illegals in the country as possible. Even if they are not made citizens, the children they have here will be citizens and, more importantly, voters. Once they get enough Hispanics in the country they will have an insurmountable majority and it will be impossible for conservative Republicans to win elections. Hispanics vote Democrat at a rate of 75-80%. If Texas goes Republican by a margin of 500,000 votes the math is simple. Bring in enough illegals to overcome that margin. One million Hispanics that vote Democrat 75% of the time = 750,000 Democrats, 250,000 Republicans. There's your 500,000 vote margin.

Texans, and all Americans for that matter, are being disenfranchised by foreigners who will cancel out their votes. This isn't "just happening", it is a plan. It's a strategy. Conservatives have already lost future elections even in places like Texas. We just don't know it yet. When the babies turn 18 years old and start voting we will all know about it.

This is what happened to California, a state that elected Ronald Reagan Governor a couple of generations ago. The politicians who are orchestrating it want Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hondurans come to the U.S. and outvote us. They have sold out our citizens for their own political power.

This right here is thinking at a new level. I would never question your thinking, you've obviously put a lot of thought into this but, yes there's always a but, considering the ease at which the Dems stoled the last Election, why go to all this trouble? It's kind of like starting a fire by rubbing 2 stick together when you have a lighter in your pocket.

The reason is that when they started the above process, the voting process was more secure. Now that voting machines can be hacked, ballots manipulated so they read wrong and the WOKE folks can put up visual barriers and kick out the observers during the vote counting, I guess they could stop it. But when plan "A" is working and plan "B" is working they will just keep on doing it.



The saddest part is that there are a lot of people that still believe those lies.

A boarder wall is a 1 inch bandaid on a 3 inch problem. Not saying one isn't needed but doesn't stop illegal immigration. Prior to Covid the number 1 factor on the number of illegal immigrants was visa overstays.



Agree. It alone won't fix it, but, it's still needed.
Posted By: Scoundrel

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/16/21 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
Originally Posted by Oldrabbit
Originally Posted by Tsunami_1
Originally Posted by Razorback
It has been obvious for many years that the Democrat plan is to get as many illegals in the country as possible. Even if they are not made citizens, the children they have here will be citizens and, more importantly, voters. Once they get enough Hispanics in the country they will have an insurmountable majority and it will be impossible for conservative Republicans to win elections. Hispanics vote Democrat at a rate of 75-80%. If Texas goes Republican by a margin of 500,000 votes the math is simple. Bring in enough illegals to overcome that margin. One million Hispanics that vote Democrat 75% of the time = 750,000 Democrats, 250,000 Republicans. There's your 500,000 vote margin.

Texans, and all Americans for that matter, are being disenfranchised by foreigners who will cancel out their votes. This isn't "just happening", it is a plan. It's a strategy. Conservatives have already lost future elections even in places like Texas. We just don't know it yet. When the babies turn 18 years old and start voting we will all know about it.

This is what happened to California, a state that elected Ronald Reagan Governor a couple of generations ago. The politicians who are orchestrating it want Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hondurans come to the U.S. and outvote us. They have sold out our citizens for their own political power.

This right here is thinking at a new level. I would never question your thinking, you've obviously put a lot of thought into this but, yes there's always a but, considering the ease at which the Dems stoled the last Election, why go to all this trouble? It's kind of like starting a fire by rubbing 2 stick together when you have a lighter in your pocket.

The reason is that when they started the above process, the voting process was more secure. Now that voting machines can be hacked, ballots manipulated so they read wrong and the WOKE folks can put up visual barriers and kick out the observers during the vote counting, I guess they could stop it. But when plan "A" is working and plan "B" is working they will just keep on doing it.



The saddest part is that there are a lot of people that still believe those lies.

A boarder wall is a 1 inch bandaid on a 3 inch problem. Not saying one isn't needed but doesn't stop illegal immigration. Prior to Covid the number 1 factor on the number of illegal immigrants was visa overstays.

How do you feel about the federal government more than willing to assist in breaking our immigration laws and resettling people throughout the country at the expense of taxpayers? (More than a little irony in the above use of the word “boarder”.)
Posted By: Sawhorse

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/16/21 01:08 AM

Posted By: Emit R Detsaw

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/16/21 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Scoundrel



How do you feel about the federal government more than willing to assist in breaking our immigration laws and resettling people throughout the country at the expense of taxpayers? (More than a little irony in the above use of the word “boarder”.)


Spelling has never been one of my strong points.

If you have been in the Bunker over the past, you might have seen my solution to the illegal immigration policy. Readers Digest version it includes prison time for any American that hires for work or rents/sells a home to an illegal, hires ex LE and Military to round up illegals and send them back to their Country of Origin, and charging the Country of Origin a substantial fee for letting their citizen to come to the USA illegally.
Posted By: Scoundrel

Re: Abbott gets serious - 06/16/21 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
Originally Posted by Scoundrel



How do you feel about the federal government more than willing to assist in breaking our immigration laws and resettling people throughout the country at the expense of taxpayers? (More than a little irony in the above use of the word “boarder”.)


Spelling has never been one of my strong points.

If you have been in the Bunker over the past, you might have seen my solution to the illegal immigration policy. Readers Digest version it includes prison time for any American that hires for work or rents/sells a home to an illegal, hires ex LE and Military to round up illegals and send them back to their Country of Origin, and charging the Country of Origin a substantial fee for letting their citizen to come to the USA illegally.

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