NASCAR banned the Confederate battle flag

What say you? My work here is done.

I'm okay with it. I've been a fan for decades - conceived in the parking lot of the Southern 500 even. I'm all for it. If there is someone that is uncomfortable at the track, I'd rather it be the Confederate flag guy than the black kid that is sketchy as fk about that symbolism.

Don’t care.

I’ve banned NASCAR. Mainly because I really DGAS, but mostly because [censored].

i blame it on looney tunes...

Just gonna throw this out there - Martinsville is pretty cool under the lights!

Queer move

Serious question, why?

That will solve it.

Never was into NASCAR.
I will say that it's their business, their choice.

It is a message sent.

Maybe they're cool with letting that particular fan split. Let's be honest, the lifeblood of that sport requires looking forward.

I used to follow Bubba when he raced motor cross. I rode when I was younger and he’s the whitest, black dude you’ll ever meet. He did that because he’s the only black nascar driver and felt obligated to come up with something. I don’t watch nascar and never will. I think it’s just bs.

Just fired up the grill for some dogs. Not quite that health-hazard red dogs they serve there, but I think they still fit the bill!

It won't hurt it,

I gotta think you must be thinking of James Stewart. Different dude.

They lost me long ago. The uni car killed it.

Well they were both black Bubbas.

BS Bob.... you know you watch.... That roar ..... Coming out of the last corner at Daytona behind the pace car and cut them loose. It was a business decision.

That they are

Yep, they have been looking forward the last few years. Look where is has them. Don't count this year. I am a big fan...watching tonight. Go #12. Crappy pit stop just now.

Never been into it but did go to one race at TMS with my brother. After I accepted it as the worlds largest outdoor Walmart, the roar of the engines was amazing and it was cooler than I expected. Not cool enough to watch on tv but cool enough that i’d go again. Couldn’t care less about the flag.

Not A Stock Car A Racing. Wondering what ever happened to the King Richard? You know, "stock" cars.

It is like Hockey .... has to be seen live.

Nascar banning that flag? C;ear;y Boss Hogg is behind this

If you want some real fun, head to Texas Motorplex in Ennis, walk the pits and while your eyes bleed and lungs fried, top fuel and funny car

Continued sanitizing of America. Will they ban ‘whitewall’ tires next?

Ha...yep. That top fuel nitro is the money shot. Love it!

Sounds like they are trying to get rid of the last four fans they have.

No way dude. There is a future to this sport.

A Business decision,,,,,

I have done that a few times. I love the betting in the stands before every race.

Little future without massive changes. I believe the TV contract runs out 2023. What network resigns that? Their ratings are in the dump and stands are empty. Camping, and RV sales are up so I see Marcus making coin on his sponsorship. But TV where the money is at has to be hemorrhaging.

Wow.... every time I drove through there ..... TX motor speedway... I rubber neck, I cannot imagine what it is like when NASCAR comes to town. They have done the math.

Can fans still bring their cousins as dates?

I worked on site at it's infancy, a surveyor died out there

Back off ..... I love racing ...... And in my experience at the track they are cool folks having fun.

Are you arguing with your own self?

LOL..... that place is GIANT!

Nothing says [censored] Southern redneck better than NASCAR

Bigfoot is a NASCAR fan?

It is a small step forward...... I applaud it.

This is NO [censored]. You ain't LIVED until you've been choked with Nitromethane or watched an old P-51 Mustang fly into the ground at 500 MPH.

Why is a surveyor dying funny to you?

I saw a WW II Mustang pulled out of the hanger at the Addison museum. The ground shook.... a bad bird that dominated.

I agree with the decision. But in this case I don't think it was as much a racist thing as much as honoring the heritage of the moonshine drivers, who were mostly from the deep south that started the sport. They've been losing viewers since Earnhart died and Jr. retired, time to make some changes.

The color grey is next!

Nascar was allright until they listened to Roscoe P Coltrane

I wonder how cheap you can buy the General Lee now?

Dirt is for racing. Asphalt/concrete is for getting there.

Just as many can't separate the looters from the peaceful protesters, most can't separate those who fly it for heritage and those who fly it for hate.

I've been telling my HOA that for years about my swastika flag.

the way I see it, if your free to burn the american flag, I'm free to fly any damn flag i please.

Until the owner of the property you're on tells you to pack that rag up and take a hike with it.

Because up tight liberals suffering from a giant stick in their rear and the “white guilt” is nascar’s fan base.. let me know who is in the stands after you pee off the rednecks.. I’ll wait... Morons

I would imagine that the 'Demographics' for NASCAR is more redneck white than the 'other'. So to appease a few fans, you go ahead and pizza off the majority of your fan base?

Sounds really "STUPID" to me.

I can't wait until 'we' in general gather up enough cajones to stop the uprising of certain groups which are causing unnecessary change for the majority. They want change? How about they put their efforts towards curing cancer or raising their own kids? I think the best place to start was on the rooftops of stores across the street from all those store that had TVs, Sneakers, Liquor and anything else of Value that didn't have a receipt clearly taped to the item as it was being carried out the broken windows/doors.

I'm a huge Nascar fan. My first reaction when I saw the Nascar announcement was astonishment. My second reaction was: I can't wait to see the TFF threads about this change. Now that I'm seeing the thread, I'm again surprised about how reasonable most of the comments are. Does this mean that this time change in the USA is real?

^^^This.

No, because racism was declared to be extinct when Obama was elected as president.

A flag is not racist. It's a flag...isn't that what you say about Kaputnik kneeling or people burning them?

Change is hard, especially when there are people of all types acting and reacting emotionally; some criminally, instead of calmly and logically. I'm optimistic that we will get through these growing pains (the quicker, the better), and be stronger with more love for all our neighbors.

Remember what concrete company had a batch plant set up? lol.... I still get a chuckle out of that.

I heard they had to regrade turns 3 & 4 because they were too steep and cars pulled too many Gs and it was going to be an issue (pass out)? Were you there for that, was it true? I always wanted to know more about that.

that was true for the indy cars.

@ 18 I got a big ol' Rebel flag tattooed on my arm. A few years ago I had it covered. Not out of shame, but because the general public does not view it the same as they did 30 + years ago. Things change.

It was CART where the dudes were blacking out. Quite a tick quicker than the Indy cars.

The turn 3/4 reconfiguration wasn't due to that, though - that came early on. They didn't change the banking (at least not on that particular reconfiguration - it was kept at 24 degrees). What they did do was widen the exit out of 4. The racing line there took you straight into the wall, so they chopped a ton of seats out there to widen the track.

knew it was one of them.

nascar started dying after the early 80's

CART died slowly after the race cancellation and subsequent lawsuits. Sad when a race series dies for going too fast.

Thanks for bringing up your hero.

how?
did he over heat?
man thats crazy

That whole deal was such a bungled mess.

I honestly can say that I'd rather we not erase history by tearing down monuments or banning flags etc. Lots of flags and symbols make other people uncomfortable but in this country you are supposed to live and let live.

I can tell you all that I have seen a reaction to the stars and bars in person with a very close friend that happens to be of color.

We were at Rayburn 20 years ago fishing a tournament, getting gas at a gas station and some snacks (beer) and a truck full of locals flying the stars and bars pulled up. It visually bothered this person, not in an aggressive agitated way but in a cautious almost fearful way.

There was several of us there including the Go Rilla that is Greg Yates so I assured him he had nothing to fear or worry about. But I've never forgot that

I could really not care less about the stars and bars myself, but we do have a 1st amendment in our constitution for a reason.

Thanks Floon! Bonus points for the name of the concrete company that had the batch plant. I used to drive 114 to 287 several times a year going from Tyler to Stratford. Hint, the name wasn't anything to worry about back then.

I do care about the Stars and Bars though, it's Southern Heritage, and I do definitely care about the 1st amendment. So if a group protests this, I wonder what kind of backlash we'll see?

July 4th weekend a few years back at San Luis Pass was epic. That was when a few states wanted to ban it.

I've been sitting here trying to think of the most offensively named concrete company that I'm aware of. I'm coming up empty.

It was 2 words. The first word was "Bin".

The 1st Amendment concerns actions by the government, not businesses.

Ha...I've got a good guess on the second word.

I think I remember that OBL's family was super wealthy and got that way through some Saudi construction company they owned. I'd assume that would have been the same company with the concrete plant out there.

Si Senor! Bin Laden Construction. Didn't know, but they also had Bin Laden Aviation...

https://www.khou.com/article/news/the-bin-laden-family-has-ties-to-texas/285-341179639

There are very few rednecks on the TFF ....most of them scream like little girls when they see a snake!

All the black people that throw all their money at nascar couldn’t take it anymore.

NOT true!!

I bust caps at them. Seems sensible.

nascar lost me when they quit using stock cars and started racing cookie cutter cars....

They ban the flag and last nights race has Black lives matter painted on the side of a car. Who'd of thought it.

Now they done it - NASCAR driver Ray Ciccarelli says he's leaving at end of the season

I don't care about the rebel flag specifically I do worry about the continued slippery slope 1st Amendment deconstruction. You have free speech so long as it doesn't hurt someones feelings, it pretty scary. I mean I don't like all the F*** the police signs i see around, but those folks have the right to display them.

An itsy bitsy teeny tiny nearly insignificant and relatively unimportant part of a much bigger problem we're facing.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Not that I want to wade any deeper into a debate, and I pretty much agree with you, but we've got to keep in mind that we're talking about private property here. Carry that F* the PoPo sign into a NASCAR race, and assuming it gets spotted by the track/NASCAR/etc., you'll be asked to put it away or asked to leave. People have the right to their free expression, but property owners also have an absolute right to control their property as they see fit. Anyone that disagrees surely will be cool with me putting a couple Biden2020 signs in their yard or in front of their business.

I can understand why they don't want the flag flown at their events. I know Tiltman and I are differing on our views with this slightly, so pardon me for stealing a little bit of his post in an attempt to make a point, but think about the black friend he mentioned and the visceral reaction he had to seeing that flag, that symbol. He clearly wasn't comfortable. As a property owner having guests on their property to enjoy an event they are putting on, I see absolutely no problem with this attempt to make that individual, and all others who feel similarly when confronting that symbol, feel welcome.

I know, right? The dude hasn't been in a race all season. How do you quit something that you're not even doing?

50 years old, no racing done in 2020, only logged 18 starts in his truck series career, and managing to finish on the lead lap of a race *1 time*...my guess is that this was the best way to publicize that he and the wife would be having a garage sale of shop tools and worn out motor parts in the near future.

It turns out CHAZ is building a wall to keep undesirables (media they don’t like and cops) and the they are deporting people they don’t like.

It Is like the world is upside down.

If it's ok to burn the American Flag, then why can't you kneel at the American Flag? Just wondering?

No one said you could not. Some just did not believe it was appropriate in the setting it was done.

I don’t understand why NASCAR had done this. I guess they felt they had to do something since everyone else is. I heard no one complain. I heard no one ask for the Confederate flag be banned. This, it seems to me, was done to provide photo ops for an overly sincere doe eyed Jeff Gordon staring onto the camera and shedding a tear talking about his view on being black in America. Bubba Wallace got more camera time in one week than he has gotten in his whole mediocre career, but they really had no where else to go. As a fan of NASCAR for at least 40 years, I am disappointed in them and hope they get back to racing.

I care that so few of the people who live in this country get to tell the rest what to do and how to feel about any and everything. You want to sleep in a confederate flag go ahead. I really don't care it takes a real thin skin person to really care about what someone else is doing. I serious doubt anyone living today was a slave or slave owner. The PC culture has gone to far. They should shoot everyone who tries to tear down any more statues or deface them this would stop. This has gotten to far out of hand.

I agree we should burn the flag, every black college, every black person's house,and every business that is owned by black people so we can do to them what they are doing to this country over a few black thugs getting killed being criminals.

Sh!t happens put the one person in jail that did the crime and the rest should go home or be put in jail. the rest that don't go home should just be shot on the street till this stops.

Yes I was being sarcastic, and no we shouldn't burn black people's businesses but it sounds just as dumb when black people blame white people and america for not getting off their dead butts and make something and quit blaming everyone because they are not allowed to just go and loot steal and kill whenever it suits them. They then complain they got shot for commiting a crime so they go burn cities and take over intercities for revenge of a black thug getting shot. big circle

I guarantee you no one has been stop more than me over the years. I always just do what the cop says. Yes I was stopped in high school by black cops and guess what we got knocked around by those thugs even back then. We complained about it and we were told just to not race and they wouldn't stop us. we weren't smart enough to stop racing tho just didn't stop for them anymore. LOL

it has always gone both ways white people just don't cry wolf all the time over spilled milk.

That's an understandable reaction by your friend in that time and place. Late 90s James Byrd was murdered by white supremacists near Jasper (horrifically dragged 3 miles from a truck).

Yeah , I know I actually thought of that at that moment.

And Floon , I don’t disagree on the its their sandbox their rules.


Just think everyone needs thicker skin, we are trending in a direction that I think ultimately no every day regular joe would like to be.

Cancel culture, political correctness on steroids

You just didn't want to find that Biden sign out front of the shop in the morning!

So I saw where some dude posted this online and I kinda had to laugh. He said he didn't see what the big deal was because NASCAR celebrates the Confederate flag on the last lap of every single race:

Will the stop showing Outlaw Josey Wales?