Church shooting in white settlement

That's all I know

Link?

Someone on DFW scanner reported their Mom & Aunt were a few pews over and being interviewed now by PD. Said 2 killed, one being perp. Said someone with LTC took down shooter

North freeway church of christ

News crews in route

Sad deal, you now can’t feel safe at church.

Prayers for all involved.

I know so many churches are developing or have developed a protection strategy involving church members who carry. They are “staffed” to attend each service. 2 - 3 guys that are armed. LTC.

Its a very small church.

One dead, multiple injured, according to DFW Scanner.

https://dfwscanner.net/2019/12/29/m...ve-threat-at-church-in-white-settlement/

fox is on it

Yes it is. Prayers up for the people who were harmed

Do not forget Southerland Springs TX.

Very sad

Sad, sad world we live in. Prayers for those involved.

anyone that does not carry daily is in my opinion way too trusting of their fellow humans.
sad to say but is the way it is now.

I don't walk out the door without some form of self preservation.

Yes

Yep its sad but just the way it is..

What is wrong with people these days. Thank goodness someone was able to stop him.

Yep

News reporting that service was being live streamed at time of shooting.

I see a pistol

There's been a news chopper over here for 2 hours. Go home!

One of the stories has the suspect opening fire on a communion server with a shotgun. Parishioner took down the bad guy. That looks to be the shooter in the corner and the good guy with a pistol. That is some pretty good shooting halfway across the room with a pistol. Especially in a high stress situation.

Correct, bad guy in the upper right corner and the HERO engaging with his pistol.

That’s the good guy. The bad guy is wearing a long black jacket in the top center of the picture.

I am going to hazard a guess that the pistol shooter may be off duty LEO.

Thinking the same thing. If you look at the still shot, everyone is either in shock or disbelief and still seated, where as he is already up, advancing and engaging.

Weaver stance is a good indicator.

I practice at 50 yds. and all in between, static targets are a whole lot easier than moving ones. I go with off duty leo, maybe even a member that is asked to come armed?

Read a comment that said the shooter died and the security guard trying to stop it died. Other members of the church drew weapons as well.

Man hate to read this but it seems all to part of our lives these day.
Prayers for all involved

We had a few tense moments as my son in law was on patrol when it happened and that is his district. Heart goes out to those affected.

Thank you to your son in law

Thanks. He's a good guy. Proud to have him as part of our family. He never complains. Just does his job and provides for his family. I hate times like this for what my daughter must feel.

Really though all prayers abd thoughts to those in the church. Wish no innocent people had to die.

Saw video on twitter. They had many in congregation armed and all trained it appeared. Could have been a lot more killed but he was put down with one shot by one of the armed congregation almost immediately! Prayers for all!

Las Vegas trail used to be nice till the air force left. Its getting bad today.

What you dont see is one was already killed and another wounded.

I have a link to it...

I didnt count but I bet there were close to 8 armed people there.

Yep. We visited my oldest daughter and son in laws church this morning for the service. I was packing. They told us there were several ushers and other members there that carried every service. No need to be sitting ducks.

No kidding. Kudos to the Parishioner. Well done.

Another reason to not go to church...

Dude, seriously.

Every church, store, movie theater, office, etc, ought to have these people. Today, businesses are stupid enough to think that posting a "gun free zone" sign on a wall is going to a lunatic from killing innocent people. This is just a "Come Shoot Us " invitation. Why are the powers-to-be ignoring who actually does the killing in these crimes? It's not the people that have been tested and approved to carry firearms.

It's past time for constitutional carry in Texas.

You really are a worthless liberal POS. Go be worthless somewhere else.

Religion did not drop you on your head, blame something else for being dumb.

Dude, its OUR constitution. WE already have it. The problem is we have these bootlickers that are OK with govt officials telling us what constitutional laws we get to use. Thats called tyranny.

I do not disagree.

and charging us too do it!

That video is creepy. He talks to one guy then blasts both of them almost point blank. Luckily, he chose them first over the guy that shot him or this could've been way worse. Sucks for that first guy armed or not he didn't have a chance.

And yet our God allows this to happen in His House. This is something I cannot fathom.

Evil will always find any opportunity. I’m so glad that there were trained ltc in the congregation and they knew what to do. Look for the good. Look for the helpers and defenders.

Amen Kat - good guys with guns will take down the bad guys in seconds like they did here.

Here is a fairly good analysis of the shooting aside from the woulda, coulda, shoulda stuff. 5 people in the congregation were carrying.

Just giving the shooter the notoriety he sought. I wish people would wait out of respect before they upload stuff like this.

really?

holmes is dead
no notoriety at all

John is usually really good about NOT giving the shooter his fame and in this video, purposely makes sure to not give him any. I'm just shocked he put a video out that fast. Cheers to those who were prepared enough to take action in this horrible situation.

Is he Muslim?

Amen

Am I remembering correctly that houses of worship were just removed from the list of places you can’t carry earlier this year? This is a good example of a state government doing it right.

I believe you're correct.

Man, those are just Buildings! Showing up at these buildings doesn't make you a Christian.

Does sitting your @$$ in the Garage make you a Car!

He’s dead is all that matters.

Agree with Mark.

My goodness. Should have kept that comment to yourself.

He is good at that.

I want to clarify that I think videos that educate and help prevent similar situations can be very valuable just wishing they would wait a day or two as some families are having to deal with some tragic loss and need a day or two to process some of their thoughts.

I go to a somewhat large church. The subject has not come up, but I wander how many Cary.

I carry even in my home as well as everywhere else. The fastest growing crime is home inversion. That’s right, busting in your door while you’re home. That pistol won’t do you any good by your bed while you’re watching tv in the living room. You can guess where you might need it when you leave but you can only guess wrong once.
After Sutherland Springs lots of churches adopted some form of security whether hired or members with LTC. The local PD has put on at least 2 training classes here for them that I’ve been to. I was asked to be one as I’m always there and have 20 yrs of training including close quarter combat and weapon retention. Hopefully I’ll never have to use it , and this will be the last shooting that’s happens. But it probably won’t.
Prayers for those affected thanks that service had a few sheep dogs attending.

I know of a few churches in DFW that has armed security in civilian clothes as well as members that carry.

We're close to downtown and have had issues in the past. Would not surprise me a bit.

Well said Sir.

I am agnostic, your statement shows how small minded you are.

idiotic statement.

maybe tg will come cuddle with you since you seem to be in need of consoling.

I am never more than about 5' from multiple pistols, shotguns and ar 15s. since I am extremely remote all doors stay locked so anyone coming thru one I will hear. we have had a couple of incidents out here with neighbors, no shooting but some really sketchy people that caused some problems.

I go to a large church. We have a retired sheriff that head the security. He is with the pastor everywhere he goes, when pastor is preaching he is probably 20-25'from him. There are atleast 8 armed security members in the crowd in plain clothes. They have cameras for inside and outside and have someone watching the live feed on the cameras at all times, all security personal have ear pieces and can talk to one another is needed. And I would bet there are probably 15-20 others members carrying as well.

100% agree Mark. Let the shock settle out and thought process begin first. That's why I was shocked he put one out so quick.

Is that joel osteens church?, lol

Maybe I missed it but why did he pick that church and what was his motivation?

X8 maybe.

More than 5 were armed

Well, that's one way to look at it I suppose, but try as I might I could not discern the shooters name from the video and as Butch said, he is dead.

You didn't miss it, it was not in the video, hence the lack of notoriety.

NO

Trying to fathom an event like this would only be seen as an attack on religion.

Hate that people got killed but dam glad they killed the punk .

Agreed . . . . the shooter deserves no notoriety hence there should be none.

Church is safer than a school or mall. And add all the places with 30.06 signs.

I am VERY safe at my church.

Video was live feeding over internet. Some people auto record

Sad day for sure. It just goes to show you aren’t safe anywhere. Thumbs up to the person that stopped the threat in his tracks. When I heard who this person was, it doesn’t surprise me. I can say there are probably several people on this forum that know him when it comes out or have been to his place at some point. Jack you saved lives today for sure.

Jack is a hero and LTC instructor and range and gun shop owner for many years! He has trained many and showed what training and preparation can do!! Sad day for church and Jack for having to do what he did by god bless him for doing it and being there. The entire thing was over in less than 6 secs which is amazing!

If who I'm seeing on multiple Facebook posts are true, the man did exactly as he has been trained to do. No doubt Mr. Wilson saved multiple lives.

I dont ask..

Thats awesome!

Sure hope y'all elaborate sooner or later. Dont have FB, but interested to find out more.

Civilian shooter was owner of On Target gun range in whiskey flats until fire couple years ago and taught hundreds if not thousands of LTC civilians! He is expert marksman and in this case true hero! Less than 6 sec from first shots till he ended it with head shot from 20+ yards. Hero and why all should be versed and practiced in firearms!!

or Daingerfield in 1980

Its all over the internet now, Jack Wilson is a hell of a shot.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=jack%20wilson%20texas&epa=SEARCH_BOX

He gonna die just like everybody else. But obviously not go up!!

https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jack...L7dSTkp3RczeCMTz4RqV3294SKNMV6R_-uTO_YPI

Thanks Bob for posting this video. Our church is presently putting together an anti - shooter team.

Mr Bradford, You aren't unique in having reasons to not go to Church. Finding one is easy. I bet those members will be right back there next time the door is open because they have a reason to not fear evil. GOD bless those that do not shrink and hide.

I find it sad that you would try to influence others from worship based on your own personal fears and beliefs.

There are armed evil boat owners in case you need a reason to quit fishing. I pray that someday you will discover a reason to worship your creator.

Friend of mine said this elsewhere and thought y’all would agree.

He came in a sinner and left a holey man. In Texas, we shoot back.

Amen!

LOL

Not that it matters one -i-oata, but I doubt a person of Mr. Wilson's training and experience was aiming for the head.

I know a lot of guys that are good at shooting pistols and I dont know anyone that could have made that shot as effortlessly and under pressure as that guy. That was incredible. It looks like the guy was just about to take shot number 3 too. He truly saved lives.

How long if a shot?

looks like at least 30 feet.

couple of things.....the bad guy was moving away, right side to Mr. Wilson, so I would have aimed for his head, as his center mass was obscured by the shotgun and his right shoulder/side presents a smaller target too.....second, that ain't 60 feet....45 maybe 40'....would have to know the measurements of the room....it was a fine piece of work regardless of any detail at all.

Aimbot

12-15 yards. It sounds like Jack Wilson is one heck of a stand up guy. Whether it was training, good luck, or a combination, he killed the shooter within 6 seconds of seeing the gun drawn. Truly a hero.

KEns5 article on him.

A man of the word triumphs evil.

I always practice at 25ft and can put a pattern about orange sized. Under pressure I have no idea how I would fare. He dun good.

They really need to keep the video up and in circulation. It could be used as a very useful tool in a number of things including situational awareness.

measured it using 6' as his height, probably 40-45'. given his background he was probably comfortable with a head shot.

I don't know why, but I just feel like saying GOD Bless TEXAS and Mr. Wilson!

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/r...oter-in-white-settlement-church/2283777/

your ordinary sort of crazy.

The name of the shooter sounds familiar for some odd reason. Gonna be interesting to hear more info on him as it comes out. I know he has a criminal record but that name kinda stands out to me.

Domestic violence, failure to appear, acting weird with a shotgun around an oil refinery. Never heard of him before, but he was local off and on.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/keith-thomas-kinnunen/

Yeah, he said that was the only shot he had with folks trying to stand up in front of him.

Assailant looked like a Epstein Clone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6pA62A5Rpg

Yep. All mouth.

Hi welcome to our church... thats how new people get greeted at mine. Whether in a wig fake beard or not.

Big difference between an adult being on a playground where they don't belong and a welcome to anyone church.

They did try talking to him, infect he is talking to someone when he pulls the gun.

Where do you get they turned on the camera just for this and explain this magic conversation you were gonna have.... I'm sure we are all interested in hearing it.

They did speak to him, treated him decent and I think he even participated in communion. He came there for one reason, I would think if they tried any other tactic it would have been the exact same scenario or worse.

Today we have all met stupid, and its name is Jeff.

Last word from me Jeff, wouldn't trade the actions here for all the platitudes and corn from Iowa.

The article clearly says that's a live stream of the service

hes from cali...

I hope he didn't leave yet. We were having such a positive Conversation.

Yep. Some one was getting shot first.

Dang, I was thinking it was a person with nerves of steel shooting cell phone video

FB live.

That was sarcasm Bob

I know.

It could have been super awesome badace jeff. He can video and eliminate an entire army with his free hand. He’s that flipping good.

Hit and run troll?

Yes. He gets beat up and takes off.

Can someone explain how things got sidetracked, are the difference in opinions based on facts or is it conjecture? I don't have a dog in this fight, other than being an empathetic person and wishing no one was harmed except the terrorist, glad he is dead and not in prison for 20years.

Sounds like someone else we know.

Maybe he printed out the route I posted and is on the road?

Go to the bass page he will be there shortly making stupud comments as well. Stupid has no limits.

He always that, never ends

I havent read all that Jeff had to say...There is footage of the killer walking around talking to people and just acting suspicious as hell especially with the fake beard and wig?. I dont know this, but I do believe the armed guys were all around him because they thought he was a threat and they wanted to keep an eye on him. If thats the case it could have been handled better....hindsight...

It's such a fine line. Its a church after all.

Yup, and how paranoid do you have to be 24/7?

Wilson is a stud and I didnt even like typing what I did about the situation. You just never know.

understood.

new info in. he was know. My theory is what he was here to rob them and didn't count on resistance.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-church-shooting-gunman-cash-requests-anger-vists-minister

God bless America and God bless the families

I read a lot of the story before it got taken down from some people that was at the church service. They had fed him in the past, gave him clothes and money. Even with a fake beard and hair they knew who he was and did watch him as it was the first time he came to them in a disguise. I also watched the video before it was taken down and things moved pretty fast. The firs man was shot after he pulled the shot gun from under his coat while trying to draw his gun, the second shot took a step toward him as was shot. While all this was going on Jack drew his weapon and headed at the man with the shotgun. He had to wait till church goers were clear before he shot. If Jack had of waited for a couple of seconds more would have been shot as the shotgun man was getting ready to shoot again as he was taken down.

It is not a good thing that it happened at church but evil is everywhere in the world today and it is good that the plan was there to meet it head when we are confronted by it. Could you or I have met the challenge of a man from that distance and him having a shot gun. We do not know but Jack did and did one heck of a job protecting his fellow church goers. Thank you Jack for quick actions and being able to react under these conditions.