Kyler Murray/NFL Draft

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/s...pect-kyler-murray-declare-2019-nfl-draft

Expected to enter the draft. This should be interesting....great athlete, good arm but he may get broken in half!

He cannot play QB in the NFL. Maybe a ploy to get more $$$$$$$ from Oakland. Who knows?

So let me get this straight. He signs a contract to play baseball and receives a check. Now he doesn't want to play baseball and it's no big deal, he shouldn't have to honor his contract?

The Ticket was saying he could go to the NYG and still spend some time with the A's, as he wouldn't be an immediate starter. Man can you imagine the NFC East?

be crazy to pass up guaranteed contracts in baseball.

he would have to pay back his $4M signing bonus

Agree.

Any NFL team that drafts him will try to convert him into a slot receiver/return specialist. Don't think he has the size to play cornerback.

I suppose Doug Flutie had success at QB, but Murray looks much more fragile--would need a great O line (Giants don't have that)

Someone was talking about the possibility of Arizona drafting him number 1 to team up with Coach Bro and auctioning Rosen off.

Scouts have said he’s probably about 3 years from being mlb ready, he’s probably not wanting the long bus rides playing for the midland rockhounds and staying in motel 6’s and eating at Golden Corral

Then most guaranteed money would come if he was a first round NFL pick. The money is in the NFL and with the recent coach hirings going in a passing direction, he will probably get his opportunity to play. The key is to being a first round pick.

He can’t make it as an nfl QB.

Sam Ehlenger won’t be there to carry him around.

I’ll just leave this here.....

He's smaller than RG3.

but if he is as good as advertised he would make well over $150M guaranteed money on his first real contract (actually his 2nd or 3rd). Best he'll get as a NFL QB is 20-30M in for sure money.

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Just not sure how they will use him in the NFL though. Is he willing to do play where ever they want him to do or am i just a qb attitude

A 2nd baseball contact isn’t guaranteed. What if he doesn’t make it? What if he gets hurt? He will go in the first round and be on an NFL roster in 2019. Not riding a bus, living in a hotel, but on an NFL roster with endorsements day 1.

Yes, he looked pretty beat up in the first half of the CFP game. He did get it going in the second half. In the NFL he can expect a lot more of the first half type physical play the entire game. He better stick to baseball. NFL kickers are bigger than him

Blow U lists him at 5-10 195 which means he's probably 5-8 180!

Anyone who doesn’t think he will make it in the NFL hasn’t been paying attention. He will be a starter next year if he goes to the right team.

He said it’s, now will he do it. He has the first pick.

“Kyler is a freak,” Kingsbury said. “I’d take him with the first pick in the draft if I could. I know he’s signed up to play baseball, but he is a dominant football player, and I would take him with the first pick.”“

https://sports.yahoo.com/kliff-king...r-murray-first-pick-draft-160309181.html

I think he is probably correct. Watch and see. The guy is a one of a kind.

I agree. Whether first overall or later in the first round, someone will get a great player. I think the NFL is the best place for Murray financially and for his career potential. Only time will tell. A big, fat guaranteed NFL contract starting on day one is hard to beat.

I doubt seriously Murray gets on this forum very often ( read as sarcastic ) so nothing here will motivate him one way or another, so while we are in the mood to speculate or opinionate, would it not be practical to spend another year in college to prove how durable he is and also improve on his craft in football and baseball. The fear among most, and I would include scouts and owners, is whether he could hold up under the beating he would get from full grown men like Khalil Mack, Von Miller and Aaron Donald. As far as him going in the 1st round as even a punt returner is silly. If he's after a long career baseball is the only thing that makes sense. His first football contract would more than likely be his last.

Let's see who his first pick is in Arizona. Murray will still be there when it's their turn.

Let’s see, risk injury for no pay or risk injury for $30 mil......

I've paid attention to others like him and his game won't translate very well to the NFL. Everyone of the defenders in the NFL are the one guy that you plan against in college.

JR

The question is will he be a starter in 3 years.

Pretty free with other people's money aren't you. I haven't read anywhere someone offering him anything except baseball. Deshaun Watson signed a 4 year contract for $13.85 million as a 1st round pick. You think Murray is worth more ?

You cant always measure heart. I would not write him off as a bust just yet.

Sooner fan talk ^^^^^^

No way I’m taking the Knappy headed Ewok midget over DeSean Watson.

I think he’d be a good slot receiver like Cole Beasley.

The NFL is a changing....there are more and more offenses incorporating college type offensive schemes these days. Lack of traditional drop back NFL type kids at QB in college as well. Heard the other day that many NFL teams are sending assistants on both sides if the ball ro observe and learn these college offenses better as that is where the league is headed. The tackling Rule changes and such have hurt defenses so much that they are focusing on offenses to win more games.

In your world do NFL draft picks play for free?

I don't see him running an inside slant against a zone defense

^^^ this. People are saying he will get broken, but defenses can barely hit QBs anymore without drawing a penalty. He could get hurt, but anyone can on any play (see Allen Hurns last weekend). At QB they can't hit him low or high or even a half step late.

I'm not suggesting he will be a great NFL player, but i bet someone will draft him pretty high (1st round) and he will get paid.

Kid's got options, if it doesn't work out in the NFL he can still play BB later; if FB is his passion he should go through the draft process and see what happens.

Have you heard of Aaron Judge? His 3rd year big league contract was for $622,000.00. He is a real homerun hitter not a singles/doubles hitter that Kyler is. Judge is playing with the Yankees, who spend money like they are printing it. Oakland on the other hand is one of the worst paying teams in MLB.
Kyler can make more money many times over on his first NFL contract than Judge will make on his 1st MLB contract. He will go 1st round and he will play and if he is with a team that will use his talent, he will be successful. Even if he is mediocre he is still making more than a proven major league star. Play Football Kyler!

his world-view might be different if KM was coming off a 12-2 Heisman season at aTm, lol

Oh yeah I am not a Zero U (see Sooners) fan at all but I am a Kyler Murray fan.

IMHO, he’s a 3rd or 4th round pick. Regardless of the way the NFL offenses are leaning, he’s too dam small. Great story about beating the odds and having a big heart, I just don’t see him making it in the NFL as a 1st round pick. I was wrong one other time though.

And bringing up Doug Flutie, he was 5’10 but threw 86 TD’s and 68 INT’s and a career passing rating of 76. He wasn’t very good in the NFL. Murray may go 5’8” if they stretch him out.

He just needs to stick with baseball.

Things have changed in the NFL and the changes could help Murray. Look at the unproven coaches being hired just because they are pass happy, quarterback “gurus”. Most of them would not have been given a second look last year. Murray might benefit from this and be drafted high in the first round. Murray is the flavor of the month in the NFL and might break the bank with the guaranteed signing bonus. I would like to see him have the chance.

Why can't he play Both? Bo Jackson did. Has something changed?

He can always go back and play baseball. Hell they let Tim Tebow try.

Among other things, there is only one Bo Jackson. And there will not be another one in our lifetimes.

In the last 20 years or so, winning a Heisman doesn’t exactly translate to a great NFL career for QB’s.

Preach on brutha!!

He might not have a good or long career, but to pass up that money, to ride a bus and live in hotels for 3-4 years, in hopes of making it to the majors would be crazy. I’m not kryler fan by any means just FYI.

One of the reasons he is so good in college is his ability to run and in the nfl the players are bigger faster and meaner than the big zoo for sure. All the rules to protect a qb go out the window when he becomes a runner. I just don’t think he can survive a 16 game season with his frame.

no doubt.

i was just razzing Gig'Em.

No he would be paid something but not 30 million as you so generously predicted. If he gets drafted it will be somewhere in the 4th-5th round like Prescott. To be frank, not Frank, I really could care less who, what or where he plays as long as it's not the Cowboys. Let Kingsbury have him and try to keep him upright.

Here ya go gig

"Report: Oakland Athletics expect first round MLB pick, Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray to enter NFL Draft" via @SportsDayDFW http://p.d-news.co/whjh

From the article.

He's going to play both sports, and he's going to be a quarterback. And be filthy rich from all the endorsements whether he has a long career in either sport or not. I don't know what some of you have been watching but he's NOT a "running" quarterback. He just so happens to be faster than anyone else on the field and runs away from defenders when his recievers are not open. The guy can make every throw. And the guys playing offensive and defensive lines in college now are just as tall as the pros, tbey don't miraculously get taller after college. Everyone was saying the exact same thing about Mayfield last year. Wait until he gets to a combine and listen to the numbers he puts up and the buzz he causes.

If he slots as a 1st round NFL pick, he should take that instant money....he can always go play baseball if he fails and if he's smart, he'll have millions saved away to try...

I don't know the kid at all, but that's a logical way to go... Take the money, get your [censored] you money saved, and do what you want...

holy smokes - i agree with a txmasterpo post - [checking out the window for wing-ed pigs]

nobody quote me on that - ever

So, you're a fan? I've never seen your username until this minute..... strange

I've been around for a while.

So ?????? What are you after ? I don't agree with you and won't. McShay and the rest can tweet until draft day but neither have drafted anybody. Let's wait and see how it plays out. Nothing matters until if and when he gets drafted, what round and by who. Remember John Elway and Ely Manning ? I don't really give a rats arse what he play or where as long as it's not with the Cowboys or Rangers. I don't like short people and he's short.

Longevity is in baseball!

Ted’s a great guy. Met him at the 407 G2G. Very nice guy and he should post more often.

No doubt...one of JP's OG's. Always nice to meet someone that attempts to insult you the very first time he has anything to do with you....

Lol ^^^^^^^

There hasn’t been others like him to pay attention too.

huh?
1. I am not a "JP OG" - the first time i ever communicated with JP was last year, not that its any of your concern anyway.
2. You and i HAVE interchanged a few times, mostly on Dez topics.
3. Sorry, i clearly underestimated how sensitive you are. I wasn't even trying to insult you ... all i was saying was my opinions routinely differ from yours, however on this topic we agree


Lighten up, francis!

By OG I was just pointing to your tenure on the great and glorious tff....as for the rest, it's mostly for DH and the hemorrhoid boys that tend to get all up in their feelings. I am sorry I didn't remember you.

I'm pretty forgettable for the most part, that don't bother me.

Tap the breaks Coach ChrisChris Belimbardy

I keep seeing this tenure and post count coming up, wtf does that have to do with anything

Interesting. All I said was I met him and he is a great guy. Do you think I’m one of JP’s OGs (whatever that means)? I’ve never met JP and I joined the site in 2014.

I’m not sure where this is coming from.

It's coming from him being overly sensitive, snowflakish.

Thinking like this is why he won't be s successful NFL coach. He isn't a number 1 overall pick.

wow 8 pages already
i love Kyler Murray as a Sooner Fan, but don't see him as an NFL QB, I say 3rd round pick at tops.
But times are changing

Kingsbury cant win in the big 12, and we dont even play defence

How ever the Holly Sonders pick might be a solid one.

The few I saw today were definitely solid....

It would really surprise me if he doesn't get picked in the first round. He may never perform up to first round value, but i think someone will try it out.

Just ignore txmasterp.o.s. He’s the Fiji water girl of football posts.

Kiper said he thought mid 1st round for Murray.... that would make him a millionaire too....who knows what he'll do. I hope he follows his heart and not $$

For tha love of $$$

I concur....

Lol, thx, will do! now i am picturing a blue dress

Kiper picked Matt Leinart , Vince Young and Jake Locker as can't miss 1st rounder's too. Sometimes you just don't know. Johnny Unitas was a 9th round pick. Bart Starr wasn't drafted until the 17th round. Sometimes you just don't know.

Whether or not any of these guys actually pan out is a total carp-shoot - Kiper is good a predicting where they will go. Nobody is good at predicting how they actually do, including the NFL execs and talent scouts.

In the 5 years from 2010 to 2014 there were 14 QBs taken in the first round. I picked that timeframe because there's enough data to really evaluate them ...

Arguably only 4 of the 14 have played up to 1st round expectations - QBR>85, and good consistent starter. That list is Newton, Luck, Tannehill, Bridgewater - that's only 28.5% accuracy by the pros!
3 of the 14 have good QBR numbers but never lived up to 1st round expectations: Bradford qbr 84.5 but is always hurt, RG3 qbr 88.2 but hasn't been a starter, and bortles qbr of 80.6, meh
7 of the 14 - 50% - had career qbr < 80 that list includes Tebow, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Weedon, Manuel, and Manziel

So its a gamble no matter how you look at it.

You'll be flattered to know Ted I actually agree with you. I think a lot of the success the Cowboys had with draft picks in the past had a lot to do with Gil Brandt and the methods he used. But it is as you said a carp shoot as to how they actually perform over the years. Players like Larry Allen, Rayfield Wright and Jason Witten are examples of players who weren't 1st rounder's but had long all pro careers. The combine doesn't always prove anything either. Murray will no doubt enter the draft, ego if nothing else will determine that. The idea of him going in the 1st round and starting as a rookie makes no sense to me when there are much better options in the draft at QB. Why would you take a 5'-7 QB when there is a 6'-3 Haskins with the same skills. I would take Will Grier ahead of Murray. I'm not involved in the draft in any form and all I have is an opinion which is actually meaningless but is just as good as anyone else's. Good job with your research, who woulda thought Bradford's career would end up like it did. Another Heisman bust.

Bradford's career earnings so far in the NFL are about $130 million dollars, wish I could've been a bust.

I will say if Holly Sonders isn't a 1st round pick there is something wrong with the draft

definitely. that's an example of why it makes good $$ sense on Kyler's part to pursue the NFL option; even if he is a first round bust he could still rake the cash.

I didn't think JFF (Manziel) would be good in the NFL, but if he didn't act like an entitled booze-hound and shoot his own feet off, his worst case would have been making millions holding a clipboard on sundays.

I might be wrong, usually am, but I think any athlete with pride wants to be a success and to accept money and be a failure is the last thing on his mind when he signed that first contract. Bradford and Manziel are different animals but I bet both would have rather earned their money. I think Bradford was traded around like a used golf club and that had to be a big disappointment. When people think of him they won't talk about all the money he made, it will be " yeah I remember him, what a bust." Same with Leinart, Vince Young, Manziel, RG3, Sanchez, JaMarcus Russell (huge bust) all 1st rounders.

You are absolutely, 100% correct. The ONLY thing on the athlete's mind is performing at a high level. Well mostly - JFF seemed to think about levering his celebrity in the club, but you are spot on.

However they pay agents, business managers, and money men to think of all the other possibilities and help them make good business decisions, which includes the possibility of failure. A friend of mine was an agent for a few athletes back in the late 80s/90s, none that were superstars, but he had a few NFL clients - he always said it was the Athletes job to perform on the field, and HIS job to make sure he maximized the $ regardless of what happened or didn't happen on the field.

I think you are right in the end Bradford didn't do much in the NFL. I will say this he went to St Louis and got hit on nearly every play and took his knees out, or finished them off he was never the same after that. I think he would have been a really good NFL if he had gone to another team where he wasn't beat up the first 4 years.

Unfortunately the top college QB always goes to the worst team. Bradford was a great college QB but we'll never know how great he would have been in the NFL. Shame too.

Knees and shoulders made of paper mache didnt help, either. Mr. 7-9, Jeff Fisher, was also a detriment.

I believe this is the longest thread I've ever started. This is a big milestone in my TFF life, thank u good people!

You mean it's over. CARP

%&$# NO! I hope not.....

these texans love to talk Sooner footbal