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Will this new technique be the next big thing?

Posted By: Clark Reehm

Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 03:29 PM

Wondering what the next big thing in fishing from overseas will be? Looking for a new technique to add to your bag of tricks? Check out this video on FREE RIGGING from MLF Pro Takayuki Koike to learn the basics of this new technique that is growing in popularity.

What are your ideas on how to apply this in Texas?

Posted By: bockscar

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 08:59 PM

I seen another japanese angler mention this on a BASS U podcast iirc. Love me some flat bottom worms on a jika rig....but im not sure I like that thin wire from the drop shot weight running up and down my line....im sure can be no issue, but I see potential for micronicks and breaking off in a situation that you dont wanna be broken off at (on a biggen).

Get to C-Rigging the good ol' american way!!! flag
roflmao
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 09:02 PM

It’s interesting, I would have thought that it would be a snagging mofo. I’ll give it a try and see how quickly I can manage to break one off.
Posted By: tmd11111

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 09:09 PM

so basically does nothing different from a texas rig except higher change of twisting around your line.
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by tmd11111
so basically does nothing different from a texas rig except higher change of twisting around your line.



That’s simpleton thinking!
Posted By: Donald Harper

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 09:41 PM

Fish become acclimated to feeling resistance. This is a resistance FREE system that allows the fish to pick up the worm and run with it.
- No resistance from the weight system.
- No resistance from the fisherman, if he is fishing with a slack line.

Mr. Koike is definitely on to something and it is worth the try to up your catch ratio.
Posted By: tmd11111

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by tmd11111
so basically does nothing different from a texas rig except higher change of twisting around your line.



That’s simpleton thinking!


I'll take that as a complement
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by tmd11111
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by tmd11111
so basically does nothing different from a texas rig except higher change of twisting around your line.



That’s simpleton thinking!


I'll take that as a complement




Lol, I’m just going to try it because they said it was more resistant to snagging in brush piles. I don’t see how it possibly could be though.
Posted By: bassnman

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Donald Harper
Fish become acclimated to feeling resistance. This is a resistance FREE system that allows the fish to pick up the worm and run with it.
- No resistance from the weight system.
- No resistance from the fisherman, if he is fishing with a slack line.

Mr. Koike is definitely on to something and it is worth the try to up your catch ratio.


Kind of like a c-rig.
Posted By: Joel McBride

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/06/21 11:47 PM

I think he said no brush pile. You might wanna watch it again. It's nothing more than a light weight texas rig with a knot protector. The weight on a texas rig moves up and down the line just like that drop shot sinker and I would use a bobber stop at the knot and not that piece of rubber which moves up and down the line which creates more resistance.

Maybe the drop shot weight moves easier than the light bullet weight is all I can guess why it would work better.
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/07/21 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Joel McBride
I think he said no brush pile. You might wanna watch it again. It's nothing more than a light weight texas rig with a knot protector. The weight on a texas rig moves up and down the line just like that drop shot sinker and I would use a bobber stop at the knot and not that piece of rubber which moves up and down the line which creates more resistance.

Maybe the drop shot weight moves easier than the light bullet weight is all I can guess why it would work better.



Dang it, watched it twice again and it is a bit confusing. Says use “20lb line for brush pile & big fish“, then says “no good in brush pile”; but then says “sinker goes into brush pile and bait stays above”. Maybe Mr. Rheem can clarify.


Edit: watched it again. I think he said if the fish are inside the pile, it’s no good, because only the sinker is inside the pile.
Posted By: SwimbaitRanger

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/07/21 01:05 AM

Dang the cat’s out of the bag and more and more info is coming out. I’ll be honest, this rig is so good, and I get so many more bites on it, I may never throw a Texas rig again. The best baits I’ve used/ found are Deps Bull Flat, Geecrack Bellows Gill, and Zoom Z-Craw Jr. There’s a video floating around YouTube of a Japanese guy catching a tank on it on Fork around timber. Geecrack guy I think
Posted By: Darin S.

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/07/21 03:42 AM

No
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/07/21 04:15 AM

cheers
Posted By: Greg Z

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/07/21 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by tmd11111
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by tmd11111
so basically does nothing different from a texas rig except higher change of twisting around your line.



That’s simpleton thinking!


I'll take that as a complement




Lol, I’m just going to try it because they said it was more resistant to snagging in brush piles. I don’t see how it possibly could be though.


I think it will be less likely to snag because you are using a pencil weight that won't wedge in a limb. My question is where do you get those rubber stoppers or could you substitute a bead?
Posted By: SteezMacQueen

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/07/21 07:17 PM

Sounds like something has been invented that didn’t need to be invented.
Posted By: Greg Z

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/07/21 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by bockscar
I seen another japanese angler mention this on a BASS U podcast iirc. Love me some flat bottom worms on a jika rig....but im not sure I like that thin wire from the drop shot weight running up and down my line....im sure can be no issue, but I see potential for micronicks and breaking off in a situation that you dont wanna be broken off at (on a biggen).

Get to C-Rigging the good ol' american way!!! flag
roflmao


They make some pencil weights with a normal loop on to that won't pinch the line.
Posted By: banker-always fishing

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/08/21 10:24 AM

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Posted By: bockscar

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/08/21 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Greg Z
Originally Posted by bockscar
I seen another japanese angler mention this on a BASS U podcast iirc. Love me some flat bottom worms on a jika rig....but im not sure I like that thin wire from the drop shot weight running up and down my line....im sure can be no issue, but I see potential for micronicks and breaking off in a situation that you dont wanna be broken off at (on a biggen).

Get to C-Rigging the good ol' american way!!! flag
roflmao


They make some pencil weights with a normal loop on to that won't pinch the line.


I know. my worry is still there even with those. Im not talking about it pinching.....im just saying in general I dont like a wire going up and down a line. If a carolina or T-Rig weight gets snagged the pressure on the line is spread out through that whole weight......where if you snag a pencil weight (yes they snag, and im good at getting them snagged) and tug or rip on the line to get it free....all that pressure comes down to one fine point, where the weight is attaced to the line via the wire. Real fine point that I can see getting burnt/beat up if you tug on it too hard.

Just my opinion and why Id never throw it. I think you can get a similar presentation with a c-rig....or even with a regular t-rig depending on bobber stop placement. Im a terrible fisherman and couldnt catch with a senko even if I was fishing a farm pond as a disclaimer tho. But what i am good at is having bad luck type of stuff happen to me like breaking your line or snapping off at the worst possible time. So i just try and minimize the potential for error....this rig seems risky to me
Posted By: ezbassin

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/08/21 08:25 PM

I have heard that Mike Ike is promoting this technique also.
Posted By: Clark Reehm

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/09/21 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by Joel McBride
I think he said no brush pile. You might wanna watch it again. It's nothing more than a light weight texas rig with a knot protector. The weight on a texas rig moves up and down the line just like that drop shot sinker and I would use a bobber stop at the knot and not that piece of rubber which moves up and down the line which creates more resistance.

Maybe the drop shot weight moves easier than the light bullet weight is all I can guess why it would work better.



Dang it, watched it twice again and it is a bit confusing. Says use “20lb line for brush pile & big fish“, then says “no good in brush pile”; but then says “sinker goes into brush pile and bait stays above”. Maybe Mr. Rheem can clarify.


Edit: watched it again. I think he said if the fish are inside the pile, it’s no good, because only the sinker is inside the pile.


I speak fluent English, redneck, and a bit of ebonics... I translated to the best of my ability as I was making the video. I'm sure if we could understand Japanese he would have explained it a whole lot better to us but you have to keep in mind, he is not only collecting his thoughts on the topic/questions I asked (some people struggle with this to begin with) but sorting out how to translate those thoughts into English. A lot of times other cultures have a simple word that does not have a short and easy translation in English.
Posted By: Clark Reehm

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/09/21 12:04 PM

To be honest, I heard about this rig about a year ago. Congrats to those of you that say you have been doing this for a long time. You are ahead of the game. As more and more anglers start learning about and adopting more new techniques, even better specialty tackle and information starts to be developed to optimize it all. I have never used this rig and will probably not do it exactly how he says, however, the wheels in my brain started churning as I was filming it on how I can utilize the principles in my own fishing. I can't wait to get down to Sam Rayburn to try some of these ideas out. Just like so many other things in fishing, there is a time and a place. If you have ever spent time in a boat with anglers that are better than you, you start to pick up those little nuances. I take the approach that there is always a better mousetrap until you can't refute the numbers.

Now that the Tour season is over, I am starting to book catching trips and Elite Angler Academy classes again. If this is something you want to try, I am about to master and optimiaze this with quality time on the water, not just time on the water. Give me a call if you would like to inquire about a trip (479)970-3388.

Sidebar: It is amazing how many people adopted the name "NEKO RIG" once someone from the West Coast started calling it that on a National Stage. If you ever spent time around the Toledo bend area in the 90's, we called that a wacky worm. I remember in high school using gold aberdeen crappie hooks, purple creme worms(Sometimes with a firetail) and a roofing nail. I couldn't cast that light weight set up with a baitcaster when I started fishing tournaments so I had one rod that I would carry that had a zebco on it to be able to cast into the wind..... Specialty hooks have replaced the minnow hook, specialty lead or tungsten nails have replaced the roofing nails and there are an infinite amount of soft plastics and colors to choose from. Could I catch them still with the original set up, absolutely! Can I catch them better with the optimized gear....without a doubt!
Posted By: ezbassin

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/09/21 01:56 PM

I was wondering where the term NEKO came from because when I first heard about it I asked what exactly is that. After describing it, I said I have been calling that a wacky rig for many years. How did it change from wacky to neko? A color now that is called Redbug used to be called cranapple. Who knows where these changes come from...LOL
Posted By: Clark Reehm

Re: Will this new technique be the next big thing? - 08/09/21 02:01 PM

Cranapple has blue flakes in it. Redbug only has green flakes.
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