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Getting interference from my trolling motor

Posted By: goodman1389

Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 03:32 PM

I have a Helix 10 G2 mounted at the bow. As soon as I engage my trolling motor I start getting interference and it will give me readings if 200-300 feet deep and no picture, as soon as I let off the pedal it goes back to normal. Anyone else experienced this?
Posted By: Wayne P.

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 04:04 PM

Do a web search for trolling motor RFI. There has been thousands of discussions about it for at least 50 years.

Then after you see your situation is not unique, contact Humminbird Customer Service for help with that issue.
Posted By: katjim

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 04:28 PM

Humminbird will probably send you something to help with interference for free
Posted By: ZX4545

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by goodman1389
I have a Helix 10 G2 mounted at the bow. As soon as I engage my trolling motor I start getting interference and it will give me readings if 200-300 feet deep and no picture, as soon as I let off the pedal it goes back to normal. Anyone else experienced this?



What TM are you running?
Posted By: goodman1389

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by M_Mayben
Originally Posted by goodman1389
I have a Helix 10 G2 mounted at the bow. As soon as I engage my trolling motor I start getting interference and it will give me readings if 200-300 feet deep and no picture, as soon as I let off the pedal it goes back to normal. Anyone else experienced this?



What TM are you running?


36v Ultrex
Posted By: SC 210

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 05:39 PM

I have the exact same setup and they told me to make sure all the wires at the trolling motor are not near each other(especially if it is not shielded wire)
Posted By: ZX4545

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by goodman1389
Originally Posted by M_Mayben
Originally Posted by goodman1389
I have a Helix 10 G2 mounted at the bow. As soon as I engage my trolling motor I start getting interference and it will give me readings if 200-300 feet deep and no picture, as soon as I let off the pedal it goes back to normal. Anyone else experienced this?



What TM are you running?


36v Ultrex



They (ultrex) have a 3A fuse in the head, change it to a 5A and your interference issue should disappear.... Little tip I got from Slade Dougharty (the graph guru)
Posted By: goodman1389

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 06:12 PM

Thanks! I’ll try that
Posted By: Len B 1

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/15/19 09:40 PM

I ran dedicated power wire to battery and 1/2 inch rubber on bottom of tm housing and mounted transducer on that. Helped quite a bit.
Posted By: bradnitro175

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/16/19 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by M_Mayben
Originally Posted by goodman1389
Originally Posted by M_Mayben
Originally Posted by goodman1389
I have a Helix 10 G2 mounted at the bow. As soon as I engage my trolling motor I start getting interference and it will give me readings if 200-300 feet deep and no picture, as soon as I let off the pedal it goes back to normal. Anyone else experienced this?



What TM are you running?


36v Ultrex



They (ultrex) have a 3A fuse in the head, change it to a 5A and your interference issue should disappear.... Little tip I got from Slade Dougharty (the graph guru)

Never heard that thanks
Posted By: Dr. Drop

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/16/19 01:47 AM

Do not tape-tie transducer cable to the trolling motor cable. Run it along side the trolling motor top bracket.
Posted By: Bill Durham

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/17/19 03:52 AM


They (ultrex) have a 3A fuse in the head, change it to a 5A and your interference issue should disappear.... Little tip I got from Slade Dougharty (the graph guru)[/quote]

That makes no sense electronically.. the size of the fuse makes no difference as far as RF interfering with the DF. The accepted way to hook all of the pieces is the DF is powered by the crank battery and the ground of the trolling batteries and and the crank battery are connected together. Not all of the grounds in the series connected trolling batteries, just the one that represents zero volts to the TM. Also, the transducer cable should be kept as far away from the power cable of the TM as possible. I have braid shield over my power cable to the DF, tied into the ground of the power to the DF. I have eliminated just about all of the interference I was getting.. that was with a Motor Guide Great White 80lb and now with a Xi5. I'm not using the internal transducer on the Xi5. I think to get it all out, the transducer cable needs to wrapped around a toroid core but since those things are frequency dependent and I don't know what frequency is interfering.. I don't know which one to buy. Good luck with your efforts.. its not rocket science but its tricky just the same.
BD
Posted By: shotgunwilly

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/18/19 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Durham

That makes no sense electronically.. the size of the fuse makes no difference as far as RF interfering with the DF. The accepted way to hook all of the pieces is the DF is powered by the crank battery and the ground of the trolling batteries and and the crank battery are connected together. Not all of the grounds in the series connected trolling batteries, just the one that represents zero volts to the TM. Also, the transducer cable should be kept as far away from the power cable of the TM as possible. I have braid shield over my power cable to the DF, tied into the ground of the power to the DF. I have eliminated just about all of the interference I was getting.. that was with a Motor Guide Great White 80lb and now with a Xi5. I'm not using the internal transducer on the Xi5. I think to get it all out, the transducer cable needs to wrapped around a toroid core but since those things are frequency dependent and I don't know what frequency is interfering.. I don't know which one to buy. Good luck with your efforts.. its not rocket science but its tricky just the same.
BD


More than likely, what Slade meant was that the 3A fuse was blown. You will see interference if it's blown. Then he replaced it with a larger fuse to help keep it from happening again.
Posted By: Poodle

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/24/19 01:09 PM

I have the exact same problem with my Humminbird HELIX 5. It worked perfect for about 4 months then it just started doing this. I had just replaced my on-board charger with a new one so I disconnected it and it still did it. I ran dedicated wires straight from cranking battery still does it, so if you find a fix let us know.
Posted By: Okie Poke

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/24/19 01:35 PM

I've got pretty much the same problem with my Helix 7 DI GPS. Ran a dedicated wire straight to battery and helped a tiny bit. Still struggling with it. It's a POC, IMO, cause Humminbird was not much help at all.
Posted By: Cast

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/24/19 02:38 PM

I think you guys are worrying about RFI. I doubt that the trolling motor generates radio frequency interference. What you do have though is a powerful electric motor generating a powerful magnetic field. You should consider EMI. Interference from an electromagnet.
The first thing to try is increasing distance between devices. Where is the HB transducer in relation to the TM motor? Can you raise the TM to increase the distance, run it and still see the same problem?

Good luck.
Posted By: Bobby Milam

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/24/19 08:22 PM

https://www.humminbird.com/support/faqs/TrollingMotorInterference
Posted By: Jeff From Iowa

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/24/19 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cast
I think you guys are worrying about RFI. I doubt that the trolling motor generates radio frequency interference. What you do have though is a powerful electric motor generating a powerful magnetic field. You should consider EMI. Interference from an electromagnet.
The first thing to try is increasing distance between devices. Where is the HB transducer in relation to the TM motor? Can you raise the TM to increase the distance, run it and still see the same problem?

Good luck.



IF I put hooked up my helix on my deck with a battery next to it and the transducer hanging off the side of the boat next to it, wouldnt that be rfi??
Posted By: Cast

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/24/19 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff From Iowa
Originally Posted by Cast
I think you guys are worrying about RFI. I doubt that the trolling motor generates radio frequency interference. What you do have though is a powerful electric motor generating a powerful magnetic field. You should consider EMI. Interference from an electromagnet.
The first thing to try is increasing distance between devices. Where is the HB transducer in relation to the TM motor? Can you raise the TM to increase the distance, run it and still see the same problem?

Good luck.



IF I put hooked up my helix on my deck with a battery next to it and the transducer hanging off the side of the boat next to it, wouldnt that be rfi??


It would be interference. We don’t know from where. Your original said trolling motor ran and interfered with the HB. Is that correct? If so the TM is interfering with the HB. that’s where I am.

I wouldn’t know how the TM could generate radio frequency interference. Move the transducer away from the TM and see what happens.
Posted By: Jeff From Iowa

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/25/19 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Cast
Originally Posted by Jeff From Iowa
Originally Posted by Cast
I think you guys are worrying about RFI. I doubt that the trolling motor generates radio frequency interference. What you do have though is a powerful electric motor generating a powerful magnetic field. You should consider EMI. Interference from an electromagnet.
The first thing to try is increasing distance between devices. Where is the HB transducer in relation to the TM motor? Can you raise the TM to increase the distance, run it and still see the same problem?

Good luck.



IF I put hooked up my helix on my deck with a battery next to it and the transducer hanging off the side of the boat next to it, wouldnt that be rfi??


It would be interference. We don’t know from where. Your original said trolling motor ran and interfered with the HB. Is that correct? If so the TM is interfering with the HB. that’s where I am.

I wouldn’t know how the TM could generate radio frequency interference. Move the transducer away from the TM and see what happens.



You cant move a transducer further than the back of the boat, thats where mine is..

Anyways Ive spent well over 100 hours trying to solve the mystery I believe its rfi, I dont think anything else is going to go thru the air and cause interference when I hooked it up as I said.

Ive long given up, its not bad and I only have it on side imaging now which I very very seldom use while on the tm.
Posted By: Bobby Milam

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/25/19 05:33 AM

One of my old boats it was as simple as moving the FF 6" to the right of the deck to stop my interference when it never interfered with the previous FF.
Posted By: Mike Keenan

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/25/19 01:53 PM

Has anyone checked for updates on Humminbird’s website? That helped a lot of my interference issues. That’s the first question they always ask me
Posted By: Jeff From Iowa

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/25/19 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Keenan
Has anyone checked for updates on Humminbird’s website? That helped a lot of my interference issues. That’s the first question they always ask me



Im two behind thanks for the reminder, I usually do mine in Jan.
Posted By: Polly Gosh Lizard

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/25/19 02:01 PM

My hummingbird 859 will search for depths when in shallow water, under say 10 feet but if I put it on manual depth readings, it will show the depth correct on the chart but the depth numbers will still search. Humminbird said to increase the interference setting but that doesn't help. In deeper water it works fine. Seems funny that it would have interference in just shallow water. I just live with it.
Posted By: Cast

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 11/25/19 02:21 PM

Ok, I see. TM on front, transducer on back. Gotta live with that. The interference coming from TM has to be coming by wire. You need two RFI filters, one near the TM on the power wire and another on the HB power wire near the HB. They’re called ferrite beads and they come in different sizes. You need a bead big enough to loop the power wire through the bead, back around the bead and through the bead again. Then the assembly is customarily covered with heat shrink. If that doesn’t do it, add a third bead on the transducer wire.

Good luck, sometimes you just can’t filter it all out. Be sure that you are not sharing any wiring between the affected devices.
Posted By: Poodle

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 12/03/19 09:36 PM

Trying to figure this out on mine I completely overlooked the fact that the temp and the depth were no longer displayed on my unit. I went thru every manual and video on my unit I could find and finally decided to just chunk it and buy a new Lowrance. Then I happened to think I had the same transducer on my 2-man boat. Hooked up my head unit to it and lo and behold it works. Called Humminbird talked to them about it and they are sending me a new transducer.
Posted By: Poodle

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 12/09/19 12:27 AM

I was having the same issues as the OP. As soon as I would turn on my trolling motor my screen would go blank but show readings of 2, 3 or maybe even 900 ft. Then when I would let off it would go back normal. I tried running new wires,attaching a fused wire from starting motor battery to my trolling motor grounds and nothing would work. As I stated I finally noticed that my temperature readings were gone so I tried hooking my unit to a transducer on a 2 man boat I have in storage and the temperature readings were back. I called Humminbird and explained it to them and they sent me a new transducer as my unit is still under warranty. I installed it on my trolling motor and took it to the lake today and everything worked perfect. No interference, Temp reading and depth readings work like it did new. So to the OP if you know someone who has the same transducer and would let you hook yours up to it to try that may be all it is.
Posted By: Bill Durham

Re: Getting interference from my trolling motor - 12/09/19 04:59 PM

The transducer on the rear of the boat changes the problem for me. I assumed that you were using a transducer mounted to the bottom of the TM.. my situation. This has to be a power issue IMO. I don't think that any kind of RFI or Magnetic Field Interference from the TM to the DF could make that trip. I agree with a previous post that ferrite beads or cores on the power leads will probably be the solution, but you have to choose the correct ferrite mixture based on the frequency of the interference.. which I have no idea what that might be. You will have to experiment with different cores to find out which one will work. I think the culprit is the circuit that controls the speed of the motor.. its more or less a DC dimmer. If you ever tried to play electric guitar in a bar that had cheap wall dimmers on stage lights, you know what kind of noise those things generate! smile Good luck and please report back what your solution is.

BD
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