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Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation!

Posted By: Chris G

Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:03 PM

This has some language in it so not sure they will leave it up but this is crazy what happened on the water with a friend of Zack Birge. Hopefully they find the guys and take care of it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1t0m3CBQE2/
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:08 PM

Wow! I didn’t take that as being Birge, looks like he asking for help from Zach’s followers.
Posted By: Chris G

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by grout-scout
Wow! I didn’t take that as being Birge, looks like he asking for help from Zach’s followers.


Looks like you're right now that I go back and look at it. Regardless of who it was that's one of the craziest harassment videos I've ever seen. Should be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Posted By: 4Weight

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:12 PM

dude needed a gun. I would have effed the rod and gotten the hell out of there.
Posted By: Brent S

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:12 PM

Not Zack Birge, he just reposted it.
Posted By: Curtbass

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:14 PM

Dudes in Jon boat should have some serious charges filed on them! That’s insane. Location?
Posted By: Sinkey

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:16 PM

The guys in the john boat need to be arrested. And the guys in the Nitro need their man cards pulled for sure!
Posted By: Tin Star Cajun

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:16 PM

Guy on the back almost could’ve reached down and turned them over into the water.
Posted By: 4Weight

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:19 PM

Lake Cobb OK
Posted By: bobcat4118

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:22 PM

I was just about to post this link! There woulda been 3 guys in that flat bottom and 2 woulda been getting that a$$ whooped! WOW
Posted By: GarySHO

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:28 PM

flame
Posted By: Ranger1

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sinkey
The guys in the john boat need to be arrested. And the guys in the Nitro need their man cards pulled for sure!


Exactly
Posted By: Tim nichols

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:52 PM

What were they mad about, I know one thing I carry and those aholes would have had holes in the bottom of there boat.
Posted By: RATZ

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:53 PM

Those two need a good ol' azz whoopin
Posted By: hopalong

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 07:55 PM

all he had to do was tie off the flatbottom to a cleat and show them what some high speed trolling is like.

someone for sure would have been hurt if they pulled that on me. Okieland lake patrol will get them, flat bottom had no numbers that I saw.
Posted By: Dubee

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 08:02 PM

The only reason i carry while on the boat is because i won't leave it in the truck. I think it would have been pulled out if that was me. Lol
Posted By: Tim nichols

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 08:07 PM

There has to be more to the story, but those guys sure need a tuning up.
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 08:08 PM

The mom of one of the boy's in the Nitro chimed in on the original thread and said both of them were 18 years old.

Might not be legal for them to carry a handgun there but they could carry a Remington Marine Magnum for such times. welcome
Posted By: Chris G

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 08:15 PM

I would definitely think there is more to the story but regardless of what it is, it shouldn't result in that.
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 08:16 PM

I would like to know what went on before the video started and what happened after the video ended? hmmm
Posted By: Barrett

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 08:25 PM

wow. Thats someone that needs an [censored] whooping for sure.
Posted By: David Burton

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 08:47 PM

The person behind the camera has said (via Instagram) the police spoke to those in the Jon Boat, they saw the video and no arrest was made. More info coming, hopefully.
Posted By: elkhartdom

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:01 PM

looks like more than harassment, looks like assault and battery, assault with intent to commit harm, maby even piracy lol.
definatly against the law for them to crash another boat for sure.
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:04 PM

Almost have to wonder if the young kiddos might have come into a no wake zone a bit fast or drove a bit too close to the jon boat. Something had to set those hillbillies off for them to be that crazy.
Posted By: 4Weight

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by grout-scout
Almost have to wonder if the young kiddos might have come into a no wake zone a bit fast or drove a bit too close to the jon boat. Something had to set those hillbillies off for them to be that crazy.


Yes for sure something happened to set them off but ramming a boat to get your point across crosses many lines. They need to be arrested and ordered to pay restitution.
Posted By: Jarrett Latta

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:11 PM

I think those guys work for the marina and it's a no fishing area. You can hear them say something about harassing. Regardless.... That's not how you handle it. They should be fired at minimum.
Posted By: boocat

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:11 PM

No charges.. WTF!!
Posted By: Texan Til I Die

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:17 PM

I'd sue those guys and get their pickups, double wide and their last 3 teeth.
Posted By: 4Weight

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Texan Til I Die
I'd sue those guys and get their pickups, double wide and their last 3 teeth.


Now that is funny !
Posted By: InTheClear

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:31 PM

Kid driving is going to have a long hard life ahead of him with that line of thinking, if someone doesn't end it prematurely for him.
Posted By: RedRaider3933

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:41 PM

Man, people are dumb.
Posted By: Mark Perry

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 09:52 PM

Saw elsewhere that charges were being filed against the jon boat guys.
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Texan Til I Die
I'd sue those guys and get their pickups, double wide and their last 3 teeth.



clap roflmao
Posted By: Jake Blood

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 10:20 PM

They would of gotten sunk...
Posted By: ReelSlow

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 10:21 PM

If those were indeed 18 year old kids , I commend them for the restrain they showed. They said they would leave, and one was trying to get the boat started. When I was 18 I would have been whipping them with that rod like a rented mule.
Posted By: Dubee

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by ReelSlow
If those were indeed 18 year old kids , I commend them for the restrain they showed. They said they would leave, and one was trying to get the boat started. When I was 18 I would have been whipping them with that rod like a rented mule.

Kids are different now. Most of them need a safeplace. There are still some raised right. But most would act like those 2
Posted By: tmd11111

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dubee
The only reason i carry while on the boat is because i won't leave it in the truck. I think it would have been pulled out if that was me. Lol


Same here and have to say I probably would have put a few in their direction.
Posted By: SteezMacQueen

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by bobcat4118
I was just about to post this link! There woulda been 3 guys in that flat bottom and 2 woulda been getting that a$$ whooped! WOW

This is the kinda [censored] that would have me in jail for assault! I would have gone blind with rage in about 3 seconds after they hit my boat. I would have killed at least one before I was able to think clearly. Of course, my boat has a few scratches, so I’d probably just turn it around and plow over them. Not road rage....maybe lake rage, marina rage....I don’t know what the courts and news channels would call it. But it would be talked about by both of em.

Of course, it’s one side of the story. I bet those two on the glass boat were probably talking about “I have the right, up yours, make me, blah blah boah”. Those two probably said “ I wish they’d try to make me leave”. Well...looks like they got their wish.

Nobody goes nuts like the two in the tin boat without major provocation.
Posted By: fivebites

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 10:55 PM

https://goo.gl/maps/3hR1vfvbz3DbQWux7

Only one Marina on that lake. Call em if you're pi$$ed off.
Posted By: Chasin Hogs

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 11:15 PM

My fishing partner would of jumped in thier boat and beat thier [censored]. Lmao.
Posted By: Speedcraw

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 11:16 PM

Idiots in the John boat are awful lucky.
Posted By: Chasin Hogs

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 11:21 PM

Lol @ the gun comments. Yall need a gun for that. roflmao
Posted By: Dubee

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/28/19 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Chasin Hogs
Lol @ the gun comments. Yall need a gun for that. roflmao

Yes, i'm 6ft 140lbs 50yrs old and hurt all the time. 2 hillbillys like that. Yes i want my gun
Posted By: ezbassin

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 12:21 AM

That is exactly you carry a 9mm in the boat with you.
Posted By: JIM SR.

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 12:36 AM

Flare gun......!!! boxing
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
I think those guys work for the marina and it's a no fishing area. You can hear them say something about harassing. Regardless.... That's not how you handle it. They should be fired at minimum.


The Marina has been contacted and they said thy had no employees working for them. hmmm
Posted By: Happykamper

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 01:03 AM

I would have slapped that sob with a dd22 right in the face, then I would have started the boat and ran over those two hilly billy sob's. They knew they were dealing with kids, no way they would have done that to two grown men.
Posted By: ezbassin

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Chasin Hogs
Lol @ the gun comments. Yall need a gun for that. roflmao



A gun would have resolved that issue in a heartbeat. No need to get into a fist fight. Pop a few holes in that tin boat and then continue fishing.
Posted By: ForneySkeeter

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 01:35 AM

A 9mm? Good plan, it'd just piss them off enough to want to fight. I'm a redneck Okie and I might be 56, but in my proverbial day, and nowadays, I'd still be beating those two little jackwagons A$$es!!! Certainly depending on what started the deal, but if the kid's did little, they weren't raised right, they oughta be beating those little fellers still!!
Posted By: Kentucky

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 01:37 AM

is there a non-instagram version available ?
Posted By: slim 285

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 01:40 AM

Being a old redneck . One of us would have took a arse whooping .
Posted By: jbcarroll3000

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by Curtbass
That’s insane. Location?


Where the meth flows like wine...
Posted By: ChanceHuiet

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:01 AM

Yep id have shot both of them. I’ll take my chances in court on that one. 2 people wouldn’t be leaving the lake that night.
Posted By: jcwebb70

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Dubee
Originally Posted by Chasin Hogs
Lol @ the gun comments. Yall need a gun for that. roflmao

Yes, i'm 6ft 140lbs 50yrs old and hurt all the time. 2 hillbillys like that. Yes i want my gun


I agree, fighting hurts and it take forever to recover at my age.
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:19 AM

Flare gun shot at the gas tank might cool the situation down some! slinger
Posted By: bassmanrudy

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:22 AM

Wow......... I was at work and couldn't watch it there but just did at the house. They'd have been [censored] just for hitting the boat the first time much less all the other ones!! What in the heck?!?!?!?! Why couldn't he start it? Just freaking gun it in reverse and sink em! I don't know what "started" it but causing thousands of $$$$ in damage to a boat ISN'T THE ANSWER... yeah they are sure lucky that wasn't me.
Posted By: coachallentca

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChanceHuiet
Yep id have shot both of them. I’ll take my chances in court on that one. 2 people wouldn’t be leaving the lake that night.


If you are in fear of your life you are justified... If I have my partner or my son no need for a gun and those dudes would have been in fight for sure.. If I am by myself two on one you bet I will pull my gun out...
Posted By: banker-always fishing

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by jbcarroll3000
Originally Posted by Curtbass
That’s insane. Location?


Where the meth flows like wine...




Probably right! nuts
Posted By: bbassfishes

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Sinkey
The guys in the john boat need to be arrested. And the guys in the Nitro need their man cards pulled for sure!


I don't usually promote violence in any way on the water, but I agree, those guys passive aggressive attitude just allowed those bullies to feed into the fact that they clearly weren't going to do anything. As for the bullies, they are scum of the earth human beings.
Posted By: dk2429

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 04:13 AM

They lucky it wasn't me. They'd be 10ft underground right about now.
Posted By: basscaster46

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 05:04 AM

That right there is why I carry a gun .would have made Swiss cheese out of that John boat
Posted By: Finesse Master/ Dropshot king

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 05:58 AM

they would've got the boat ramp beat down while we waited for the warden.
Posted By: Okie Poke

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by ReelSlow
If those were indeed 18 year old kids , I commend them for the restrain they showed. They said they would leave, and one was trying to get the boat started. When I was 18 I would have been whipping them with that rod like a rented mule.




All that they really needed was to have JayC there helping. He’s good with rented mules... roflmao
Posted By: Mark Jones

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 10:16 AM

Wow
Posted By: ChanceHuiet

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by coachallentca
Originally Posted by ChanceHuiet
Yep id have shot both of them. I’ll take my chances in court on that one. 2 people wouldn’t be leaving the lake that night.


If you are in fear of your life you are justified... If I have my partner or my son no need for a gun and those dudes would have been in fight for sure.. If I am by myself two on one you bet I will pull my gun out...

My point. I'll take my chances in court.
Posted By: Ken A.

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dubee
Originally Posted by Chasin Hogs
Lol @ the gun comments. Yall need a gun for that. roflmao

Yes, i'm 6ft 140lbs 50yrs old and hurt all the time. 2 hillbillys like that. Yes i want my gun


If you turn sideways you disappear!
roflmao
Posted By: RedRanger

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 12:32 PM

Why did the guys in fiberglass boat just sit there and take the punishment?

Were they fishing in area they were not allowed to fish?

They guys in the tin boat clearly were out of control, but for the guy in the fiberglass boat to sit there and let them ram him seems as if they were in a prohibited area of fishing.

I would of started my boat and prop wash them like they had never seen
Posted By: SteezMacQueen

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by RedRanger
Why did the guys in fiberglass boat just sit there and take the punishment?

Were they fishing in area they were not allowed to fish?

They guys in the tin boat clearly were out of control, but for the guy in the fiberglass boat to sit there and let them ram him seems as if they were in a prohibited area of fishing.

I would of started my boat and prop wash them like they had never seen


Yep. Trim up the motor and make pico de gallo!
Posted By: Sinkey

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 01:43 PM

Ya'll talk about them being 18........I'm a little older now and wiser, but I can promise you, when I was 18. I would have been in that john boat whooping that guys [censored] with a damn boat paddle! I was a little crazier in my younger days! lol.
Posted By: Dubee

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ken A.
Originally Posted by Dubee
Originally Posted by Chasin Hogs
Lol @ the gun comments. Yall need a gun for that. roflmao

Yes, i'm 6ft 140lbs 50yrs old and hurt all the time. 2 hillbillys like that. Yes i want my gun


If you turn sideways you disappear!
roflmao

Lol, true
Posted By: ReelSlow

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:16 PM

I always have a pistol in my boat. I believe in right to self defend. However, if those boys had pulled a gun that situation most likely would have turned out really really bad for everyone. The dip sheits in the jon boat probably had a gun too. One of the boys pulls a gun and a gun fight ensues. One of the boys ends up dead. Boy with gun probably not good enough on a rocking boat shooting at a moving target to get back to back kill shots before one of the dipshiets has his out and shooting back. Better be prepared to kill and spend a lot of time and money in court for a couple years. There are rights and there are consequences for exercising them.

But like I said before, when I was 18 I was a hot head and would have been on that jon boat striping them with that rod. And I stand by my earlier statement that those boys showed restraint. Call 'em wimps or weak, if they were my boys I'd be happy they came home with just a beat up boat.
Posted By: GROD

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:32 PM

Wow... I always have my pistol with me, but in this situation pistol wouldn’t have been needed. By myself or not.. would’ve lost my ever mind on them two idiots. Something set them off, one would assume.
Posted By: coachallentca

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:34 PM

I think the rednecks thought hey these are two young punks and they will not do a thing.... The rednecks probably said you can't fish in here and the young guys being young and dumb said we will fish were we want too.. One thing led to another...The young guys probably never thought in their wildest dreams that some dudes are going to ram my boat... The rednecks were no justified with their response.. I hope they see some jail time.
Posted By: Randy Hudgins

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 02:51 PM

Funny what you can do with a pedestal pole and a pair of scissors.
Posted By: UTDmiller

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by bbassfishes
Originally Posted by Sinkey
The guys in the john boat need to be arrested. And the guys in the Nitro need their man cards pulled for sure!


I don't usually promote violence in any way on the water, but I agree, those guys passive aggressive attitude just allowed those bullies to feed into the fact that they clearly weren't going to do anything. As for the bullies, they are scum of the earth human beings.


While i understand this thinking, hell i would have been in their boat, those 2 bullies easily could have had a gun on them. What would yall being saying about the two boys had they jumped in that jon boat and then both been killed? People are crazy man, i in no way blame those kids, thats what they are, for just trying to get out of the situation. Anyone who says they need their man card removed or they are whimps probably doesnt stop to think for a second what could have happened... damaged boat? getting it fixed is a hell of a lot cheaper than dying or getting their [censored] kicked by 2 older guys who seem to have some tools in their boat.
Posted By: Hog Jaw

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:22 PM

If one of them boys in the Bass Boat was my son I would have beaten his a$$ for not whopping their a$$ .
Posted By: Sinkey

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by UTDmiller
Originally Posted by bbassfishes
Originally Posted by Sinkey
The guys in the john boat need to be arrested. And the guys in the Nitro need their man cards pulled for sure!


I don't usually promote violence in any way on the water, but I agree, those guys passive aggressive attitude just allowed those bullies to feed into the fact that they clearly weren't going to do anything. As for the bullies, they are scum of the earth human beings.


While i understand this thinking, hell i would have been in their boat, those 2 bullies easily could have had a gun on them. What would yall being saying about the two boys had they jumped in that jon boat and then both been killed? People are crazy man, i in no way blame those kids, thats what they are, for just trying to get out of the situation. Anyone who says they need their man card removed or they are whimps probably doesnt stop to think for a second what could have happened... damaged boat? getting it fixed is a hell of a lot cheaper than dying or getting their [censored] kicked by 2 older guys who seem to have some tools in their boat.


You are right....we do live in a crazy world. But we also live in a world were kids don't get paddled in school anymore. Where kids would rather film everything instead of standing up for their selves. I was brought up different. That's why kids are soft these days. We handled $hit when I was younger. You may catch an a$$ whoopin every now and then. But you handled your business.
Kids these days don't understand that because of both crazy society and the society that babies them.
Posted By: UTDmiller

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sinkey
Originally Posted by UTDmiller
Originally Posted by bbassfishes
Originally Posted by Sinkey
The guys in the john boat need to be arrested. And the guys in the Nitro need their man cards pulled for sure!


I don't usually promote violence in any way on the water, but I agree, those guys passive aggressive attitude just allowed those bullies to feed into the fact that they clearly weren't going to do anything. As for the bullies, they are scum of the earth human beings.


While i understand this thinking, hell i would have been in their boat, those 2 bullies easily could have had a gun on them. What would yall being saying about the two boys had they jumped in that jon boat and then both been killed? People are crazy man, i in no way blame those kids, thats what they are, for just trying to get out of the situation. Anyone who says they need their man card removed or they are whimps probably doesnt stop to think for a second what could have happened... damaged boat? getting it fixed is a hell of a lot cheaper than dying or getting their [censored] kicked by 2 older guys who seem to have some tools in their boat.


You are right....we do live in a crazy world. But we also live in a world were kids don't get paddled in school anymore. Where kids would rather film everything instead of standing up for their selves. I was brought up different. That's why kids are soft these days. We handled $hit when I was younger. You may catch an a$$ whoopin every now and then. But you handled your business.
Kids these days don't understand that because of both crazy society and the society that babies them.


Again, im not disagreeing with that as a whole. All i am saying is there is no reason to bag on these kids for doing what they did, we dont know these kids and this is the only information we have to go off of. It was a little different even when i grew up, i knew what i was getting into when i got into fights the overall mentality was just different. I never had to think twice about it... now thinking twice could easily save your life.
Posted By: BrockstaRama

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hog Jaw
If one of them boys in the Bass Boat was my son I would have beaten his a$$ for not whopping their a$$ .

Lol, this!
As for me now a days I would have been kinda dumbfounded and it would have taken me a sec to realize this was actually happening. As a rational adult I would have warned them way before they got that close but rational to insane ratio would decrease as they closed distance. I dont have a gun in my boat but I do have a machete. Guess that would have to do. But in all seriousness when I was that age I was in the military and fought for much less. I cant even imagine the vortex of rage I would have spun into at that age. Haha
Posted By: Oldrabbit

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:54 PM

Dang, turn the video off and circle spin a 1 ounce lead sinker on a heavy rod on 80 pound test. A few of those to the head or chest and they would not want anymore.
Posted By: 1oldbassguy

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:55 PM

the idiots in the john boat are clearly out of control ---- nobody on this forum knows what instigated the scenario AND no one knows if those guys in the boat are packing a weapon .
I commend the young men in the boat for not escalating the situation. The right thing was to report the issue to police/game warden and let them handle it .
All the tough guys posting about providing an "old school" a$$ whopping should contact Dana White at the UFC and see if he will make show , " Old guys fighting in boats "
Posted By: coachallentca

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 03:57 PM

A second video. Looks like how it got started. No sound

https://www.facebook.com/1000096322...652/2143173406013714/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/profile.ph...WXkaxzvMrVY8zDZBNlkeGXGectvqDKV6BggUQwBk
Posted By: Speedcraw

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 04:03 PM

I agree with you. Not blaming the kids on how they reacted. Probably smart. However I will say again the guys in the John boat are awful lucky. Just sayin.
Posted By: ForneySkeeter

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 04:40 PM

Sinkey, you da' man!!

What do liberals tell us nowadays, don't carry a gun, call the police, that's what they're there to do, take care of us. Perfect example of that being [censored]. Call the police? They'd show up just in time to count bodies!
Posted By: Frank the Tank

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 04:45 PM

I would have cried and peed my panties
Posted By: jackmason

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 05:12 PM

Love to know what started it all.
Posted By: TexasMo

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 05:19 PM

yea.. I would have lost my mind... with all of the stress I am going through right now.. that would have def tipped me over the edge of any rational or logical thinking.. and I would have gone ballistic...

Would I have pulled out my pistol.. probably as I keep a 40 cal in the boat... But first thing I would have done is swatted their azzes with my rod and beat them like a pack mule.. and if they hit boat second time.. yes... pistol would have come out and there would be shots fired
Posted By: T Bird

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 05:53 PM

slinger done deal!
Posted By: Bobby Milam

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 08:50 PM

This link gives a little more info and a few short videos of the damage as well as info about the marina owner seeming to blame the kids of damage to boats.

https://countrymusicnation.com/bizarre-video-shows-rednecks-ramming-tin-boat-into-bass-fishermans
Posted By: 4Weight

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 08:51 PM



Redneck was drunk. Definitely feeling no pain. Dumb [censored].
Posted By: flukeman83

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 09:13 PM

*** I've been known to carry a gun or 2 in the boat ***
at my age the 12 gauge would have been used ---- just as a matter of protection from those idiots
once into the boat and then as needed
those guys came off the marina dock and out into the water to confront those in the boat.
a clear sign of aggression and attempt to do bodily harm -- ramming them not once but at least 3 times.

the guys in the boat clearly did this because they knew/thought the kids would be too young to do anything.

I wonder if the fishing is any good up there
Posted By: Tiltman

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 09:13 PM

So when will we see a link or video of these two being arrested. Or hear that they were visited and corrected by the right people.

I know in OK the marinas have way more power than in Texas but these two need to be dealt with harshly.
Posted By: ReelSlow

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 10:00 PM

Go get Rip. cowboy
Posted By: outfishdya

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 10:08 PM

Apparently in OK, no fishing within 50 ft of marinas unless the marina allows it. This does not justify the reaction, but may explain why no charges are being filed. The marina owner is asking for boat owners to examine their boats for damage caused by the fishermen. I assume they are looking at filing charges on the boys
This is just my take on what I have read from the links in this thread
Posted By: flukeman83

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by outfishdya
Apparently in OK, no fishing within 50 ft of marinas unless the marina allows it. This does not justify the reaction, but may explain why no charges are being filed. The marina owner is asking for boat owners to examine their boats for damage caused by the fishermen. I assume they are looking at filing charges on the boys
This is just my take on what I have read from the links in this thread


still ---- that does not give the flat bottom boys the RIGHT to intentionally try to inflict physical harm to the persons or damage to their property --- which they are obviously trying to do.
How much evidence do you need in a case like this. The video clearly shows that the kids could have feared for their lives if not their safety.
Posted By: flukeman83

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 10:22 PM

as an OLD Man that can no longer defend myself physically ---- I have gotten a CHL and carry everywhere I go.
No matter what you should not have to live in fear and worry.
Posted By: hunter1st

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 10:36 PM

This is just my uneducated opinion based on what I saw.

I would not pull a gun on the flatbottom guys, their boat, while may be damaging to yours, it didn't seem like a life threatening situation. Had the boat came up over the fiberglass- possibly.

Nor would I have jumped over in their boat, although satisfying with several hits of the small BB bat or paddle, it could be construed as a threat- read redneck pulling a gun.

The filming was the best bet, and I hope to hell it goes somewhere in the legal system.

Nobody was injured, nobody died. Boys lived to fish another day, and hopefully the toofless ones gets what they deserve.
Posted By: Northsidejoe

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 10:46 PM

Did you not see where the jon boat came up over the transom of the boat? My god those guys in the jon boat were out of control. What would have happened if at the end of the video where the Jon boat pushed them into the dock if he would've fell and hit his head, went into the water and drowned? What they did was illegal. assault with a dangerous weapon and inter fearing with a fisherman.
Posted By: hunter1st

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Northsidejoe
Did you not see where the jon boat came up over the transom of the boat? My god those guys in the jon boat were out of control. What would have happened if at the end of the video where the Jon boat pushed them into the dock if he would've fell and hit his head, went into the water and drowned? What they did was illegal. assault with a dangerous weapon and inter fearing with a fisherman.


Was it worth a gunfight, and the aftermath?
Posted By: Bobby Milam

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/29/19 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by hunter1st
Originally Posted by Northsidejoe
Did you not see where the jon boat came up over the transom of the boat? My god those guys in the jon boat were out of control. What would have happened if at the end of the video where the Jon boat pushed them into the dock if he would've fell and hit his head, went into the water and drowned? What they did was illegal. assault with a dangerous weapon and inter fearing with a fisherman.


Was it worth a gunfight, and the aftermath?


Nope. If someone had used a gun in that situation there'd be atleast one person arrested, that person. Ask the guy in Florida that just was found guilty trying to use self defense as a defense when it wasn't justified. From piecing together the links, it seems that the boys left the area and then met with police. Even with a video because it doesn't show everything, they can't just go over and arrest someone later. They'd have to get a warrant and serve it. Curious if they have done that yet. The boys handled it correctly. that is why we have Police.
Posted By: Northsidejoe

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 12:01 AM

I'm not saying it was worthy of pulling a gun and using it. I never said that. I'm saying they committed a felony and several misdemeanors including interfering with a fisherman, but what do I know I've only been in law enforcement for over 20 years. If a person was ramming your car with their car would that not be AWDW? That was a boat under power. The video shows that conclusively.
Posted By: Dubee

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Milam
Originally Posted by hunter1st
Originally Posted by Northsidejoe
Did you not see where the jon boat came up over the transom of the boat? My god those guys in the jon boat were out of control. What would have happened if at the end of the video where the Jon boat pushed them into the dock if he would've fell and hit his head, went into the water and drowned? What they did was illegal. assault with a dangerous weapon and inter fearing with a fisherman.


Was it worth a gunfight, and the aftermath?


Nope. If someone had used a gun in that situation there'd be atleast one person arrested, that person. Ask the guy in Florida that just was found guilty trying to use self defense as a defense when it wasn't justified. From piecing together the links, it seems that the boys left the area and then met with police. Even with a video because it doesn't show everything, they can't just go over and arrest someone later. They'd have to get a warrant and serve it. Curious if they have done that yet. The boys handled it correctly. that is why we have Police.

Not even close to the Florida case.
Posted By: Bobby Milam

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Northsidejoe
I'm not saying it was worthy of pulling a gun and using it. I never said that. I'm saying they committed a felony and several misdemeanors including interfering with a fisherman, but what do I know I've only been in law enforcement for over 20 years. If a person was ramming your car with their car would that not be AWDW? That was a boat under power. The video shows that conclusively.


I've been a cop for about 25 years. In my opinion from what could be seen on the video, yes they committed crimes and were ramming the boat but you see one person on the transom trying to push it away with his foot and telling another to just start the boat and that person is saying that he can't because he has to put his rod up. I don't think that I have ever seen a jury that would no bill them had they shot the person when it was obvious that while they were scared but not scared for their life. If you have to take time to put a rod up instead of cranking the boat to escape or you are going to try and use your foot to push a boat away as it is coming towards your boat, you weren't in that much fear.

Dubee, same as the Florida case for the same reason. They were in as much fear for their life as the Florida guy. I've been in a shooting and even when you are right it is not fun to go thru and believe me, even when you know you followed everything by the book and had justification, you never know what a jury will say. 15 years ago the attorney wanted $50,000 to represent me if it went to trial. I have no idea what that would cost today.
Posted By: TX Strampion

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Milam
I've been a cop for about 25 years. In my opinion from what could be seen on the video, yes they committed crimes and were ramming the boat but you see one person on the transom trying to push it away with his foot and telling another to just start the boat and that person is saying that he can't because he has to put his rod up. I don't think that I have ever seen a jury that would no bill them had they shot the person when it was obvious that while they were scared but not scared for their life. If you have to take time to put a rod up instead of cranking the boat to escape or you are going to try and use your foot to push a boat away as it is coming towards your boat, you weren't in that much fear.


The most interesting comment I've seen on this thread.
Posted By: Northsidejoe

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:03 AM

Oklahoma’s Stand Your Ground law states that “A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” I believe based on the video this is on the very edge of this line. I'm so glad it didn't come to this.
Posted By: Finesse Master/ Dropshot king

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Hog Jaw
If one of them boys in the Bass Boat was my son I would have beaten his a$$ for not whopping their a$$ .



That right! I was taught to stand up for yourself.
Posted By: Dubee

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Milam
Originally Posted by Northsidejoe
I'm not saying it was worthy of pulling a gun and using it. I never said that. I'm saying they committed a felony and several misdemeanors including interfering with a fisherman, but what do I know I've only been in law enforcement for over 20 years. If a person was ramming your car with their car would that not be AWDW? That was a boat under power. The video shows that conclusively.


I've been a cop for about 25 years. In my opinion from what could be seen on the video, yes they committed crimes and were ramming the boat but you see one person on the transom trying to push it away with his foot and telling another to just start the boat and that person is saying that he can't because he has to put his rod up. I don't think that I have ever seen a jury that would no bill them had they shot the person when it was obvious that while they were scared but not scared for their life. If you have to take time to put a rod up instead of cranking the boat to escape or you are going to try and use your foot to push a boat away as it is coming towards your boat, you weren't in that much fear.

Dubee, same as the Florida case for the same reason. They were in as much fear for their life as the Florida guy. I've been in a shooting and even when you are right it is not fun to go thru and believe me, even when you know you followed everything by the book and had justification, you never know what a jury will say. 15 years ago the attorney wanted $50,000 to represent me if it went to trial. I have no idea what that would cost today.



I haven't seen the Flotida video since it happened. I thought that after the guy got knocked to the ground, the other guy was standing there and not punching anymore. These inbreds kept being aggressive. Lets look at it this way. Obviously the kids didn't pull a gun and shoot so you are baseing your opinion on that video. What if after the 1st ramming and telling the inbreds to stop they are going to leave. They ram them again. The kid pulls a gun and tells them to stop, we are trying to leave. They keep trying to ram them. The kid shoots. What is your opinion then?
Posted By: pabsr

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 02:43 AM

Happins again, crankup that outboard and run over that basterd
Posted By: steve_twice

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 03:43 AM

Bunch of tough guys on this thread. I'm all for punching a guy in the mouth when it's needed but can't help wondering how those boys were supposed to jump in the jon boat without ending up in the water. And the idea of shooting those idiots over some boat damage is too reckless and stupid to even comprehend.
Posted By: 1bas

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 03:59 AM

I may not have shot the guys ramming me. But I would have made them evacuate the jon boat and hunt some cover.
Posted By: Finesse Master/ Dropshot king

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 04:41 AM

they would've got the boat ramp beat down...
Posted By: elkhartdom

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 05:55 AM

so are the cops going to do anything about the assault?
Posted By: FXfromTx

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sinkey
Originally Posted by UTDmiller
Originally Posted by bbassfishes
Originally Posted by Sinkey
The guys in the john boat need to be arrested. And the guys in the Nitro need their man cards pulled for sure!


I don't usually promote violence in any way on the water, but I agree, those guys passive aggressive attitude just allowed those bullies to feed into the fact that they clearly weren't going to do anything. As for the bullies, they are scum of the earth human beings.


While i understand this thinking, hell i would have been in their boat, those 2 bullies easily could have had a gun on them. What would yall being saying about the two boys had they jumped in that jon boat and then both been killed? People are crazy man, i in no way blame those kids, thats what they are, for just trying to get out of the situation. Anyone who says they need their man card removed or they are whimps probably doesnt stop to think for a second what could have happened... damaged boat? getting it fixed is a hell of a lot cheaper than dying or getting their [censored] kicked by 2 older guys who seem to have some tools in their boat.


You are right....we do live in a crazy world. But we also live in a world were kids don't get paddled in school anymore. Where kids would rather film everything instead of standing up for their selves. I was brought up different. That's why kids are soft these days. We handled $hit when I was younger. You may catch an a$$ whoopin every now and then. But you handled your business.
Kids these days don't understand that because of both crazy society and the society that babies them.


While I most likely would've handled it the same way you say you would have, by jumping in their boat and whipping some serious a$$, I think the two should be commended for the way they handled it. I would've been going to jail, you would've been going to jail. These two won't because they didn't further escalate the situation by jumping onto somebody else's boat and proceed to assault them(self-defense or not). Jumping on their boat would be no different than dragging somebody out of their car and whipping their a$$ if this was a car wreck. Two wrongs don't make a right. That said, remember I am admitting I wouldn't have the patience and self-control these guys had in a similar situation, but these two were raised in a world where there can be legal implications for just barely touching somebody, much less jumping onto/in their property and beating the tar out of them. Yeah when you grew up you might've been handed an a$$ whoopin for standing up for yourself, but these two might've been handed a jumpsuit. I know of somebody who had a disagreement with somebody and when walking away the other person took him down while his back was turned. The one walking away took control and beat the [censored] out of the guy. He got 3 years in jail and a couple years of probation after his release. Maybe they aren't "soft" and maybe they do sometimes stick up for themselves. But maybe they feared a result like that if they handled it the way we probably would have.
Posted By: Gamblinman

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by BigDozer66
Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
I think those guys work for the marina and it's a no fishing area. You can hear them say something about harassing. Regardless.... That's not how you handle it. They should be fired at minimum.


The Marina has been contacted and they said thy had no employees working for them. hmmm


What did you expect him to say? Look at the tools in the boat... that was a working boat, not a fishing boat. Word is that the driver of the john boat is a relative of the marina owner.

Lots of marinas in OK post signs that say you can't fish within a certain distance in an attempt to buffalo fisherman.

Its time for a higher court to rule on this issue and settle these disputes before a tragedy happens. The only area that should be off limits to fishing is a fueling area, and only a limited number of feet within that area. These are navigable waters... your tax dollars were used to construct these lakes, and all users should be allowed full access except in areas where safety is an issue. Private entities and the Corp of Engineers should not have the right to limit access.
Posted By: flukeman83

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 10:39 AM

It was certainly justified-- in the least-- to fire a warning shot over their bow and state the next one would be deadly to protect ones self
Oklahoma --- while they like their Bubbas --- also cherish their STAND YOUR GROUND law and their GUNS !!!!
Posted By: 361V

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:01 PM

Those guys(and some of the responses on here) is why it’s illegal to marry within your own family!
Posted By: WAWI

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by 361V
Those guys(and some of the responses on here) is why it’s illegal to marry within your own family!


This exactly lol
Posted By: Txduckhunter

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:32 PM

[quote=flukeman83]It was certainly justified-- in the least-- to fire a warning shot over their bow and state the next one would be deadly to protect ones self
Oklahoma --- while they like their Bubbas --- also cherish their STAND YOUR GROUND law and their



So much wrong info in this post...
With extremely rare exception, you shoot at someone or shoot someone - your going to jail.
Posted By: wh2004

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:37 PM

Warning shot is never a good idea.
Posted By: Burbarry

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:38 PM

Wow that’s insane
Posted By: Burbarry

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:39 PM

Pull out the flare gun this is an emergency need to sink that boat.
Posted By: Chris G

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 01:43 PM

I'm just wondering with all of the guys ready to fight and/or shoot how many are planning a quick trip up to Fort Cobb for a little marina fishing to see what they can stir up. I'm sure there has to be someone on here that fishes up there from time to time. My only hope is these kids get what is coming to them one way or another.
Posted By: Monty Wright

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 02:25 PM

The comment from the marina, wow

Oklahoma News 4 Article

Quote
CADDO COUNTY, Okla. - Two Oklahoma teens said their boat was attacked while fishing in Fort Cobb Lake on Tuesday evening, leaving their boat with thousands of dollars in damage.

“I couldn’t really believe it was going on. It was crazy, really,” said Jacob Russell, whose boat was hit.

Russell said he and his teammate, Jacob McClendon were fishing when two men began harassing the pair.

“It’s illegal to wreck my boat! What are you talking about?” Russell said in the video.

In the video, you can see another boat slamming into Russell's boat, multiple times.

“It scared me. I thought about jumping in there and was like, ‘Better not,’” McClendon said.

The teens, who are on the SWOSU fishing team, came to the lake to practice. They said they were near Sunset Cove Arena when a man started harassing them, throwing screws at their boat.

“They were trying to act like they owned a perimeter around the whole marina, within 150 feet of it. But it’s a public lake and we weren’t touching their docks,” Russell said.

They said that’s when the man got into his own boat, with another man, and started ramming the teens’ boat.

The marina posted this statement on Facebook:

“Regarding the events that took place Tuesday evening 8/27/2019. The Park Ranger, Oklahoma Highway Patrol, Caddo County Sherriff Department, and Oklahoma Game Wardens are aware of the situation and began an investigation immediately following the incident. There were no Sunset Cove Marina or Fort Cobb State Park employees involved in the incident. All involved were immediately interviewed and all eyewitnesses statements were taken (of the entire situation that occurred). We have contacted customers who have boats in our slips to please come and inspect their vessels for any damage the two individuals fishing caused prior to the video. Contact the State Park Ranger in regards to any reports of damage so that he can get his reports to the D.A.”

“Hopefully the boat gets fixed and people learn they can’t do this stuff to fishermen,” Russell said.

“I hope they get what they deserve,” McClendon said.

The teens said they have filed a police report. OHP said they’re investigating the incident.
Posted By: Chris G

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Monty Wright
We have contacted customers who have boats in our slips to please come and inspect their vessels for any damage the two individuals fishing caused prior to the video. Contact the State Park Ranger in regards to any reports of damage so that he can get his reports to the D.A.”



Dude! Are you kidding me? They're suggesting the kids fishing did damage to boats in the marina and that is what started this?
Posted By: Txduckhunter

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Chris G
Originally Posted by Monty Wright
We have contacted customers who have boats in our slips to please come and inspect their vessels for any damage the two individuals fishing caused prior to the video. Contact the State Park Ranger in regards to any reports of damage so that he can get his reports to the D.A.”



Dude! Are you kidding me? They're suggesting the kids fishing did damage to boats in the marina and that is what started this?


Someone smells a lawsuit that they are about to lose...…
Posted By: shotgunwilly

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 02:54 PM

They are literally inviting all the boat owners to go try to find any "damage" on their boats, which could have been caused by anyone or anything, and to blame it on the kids. bang
Posted By: ReelSlow

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Finesse Master/ Dropshot king
Originally Posted by Hog Jaw
If one of them boys in the Bass Boat was my son I would have beaten his a$$ for not whopping their a$$ .



That right! I was taught to stand up for yourself.


I was taught to stand up for myself, AND taught HOW to stand up for myself without dying in the process. In the Civil War soldiers stood in a line in open fields marching straight into cannon fire.

So your telling me the skinny kid shoulda jumped on a jon boat and started trying to whip 2 grown men's a$$ and hope his buddy followed him into that cluster before he got a knife in the gut or thrown into the lake or shot in the head? I'd whip my boy's A$$ for being such a dumb A$$ if he lived through it. If you are backed into a corner fight like a mad man , if there is an exit , use it. You want your boy to risk his life to prove how tough he is?
Posted By: InTheClear

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 03:05 PM

I would think twice about jumping in that boat with a spinning prop just inches away, especially with the mind set hillbilly Howie is in. Not worth it, let a great attorney deal with him!
Posted By: Butch @Hubbard creek

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 03:29 PM

with the pics of the [censored] they will be found and jailed for that and there lucky they were not shot
Posted By: UTDmiller

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by ReelSlow
Originally Posted by Finesse Master/ Dropshot king
Originally Posted by Hog Jaw
If one of them boys in the Bass Boat was my son I would have beaten his a$$ for not whopping their a$$ .



That right! I was taught to stand up for yourself.


I was taught to stand up for myself, AND taught HOW to stand up for myself without dying in the process. In the Civil War soldiers stood in a line in open fields marching straight into cannon fire.

So your telling me the skinny kid shoulda jumped on a jon boat and started trying to whip 2 grown men's a$$ and hope his buddy followed him into that cluster before he got a knife in the gut or thrown into the lake or shot in the head? I'd whip my boy's A$$ for being such a dumb A$$ if he lived through it. If you are backed into a corner fight like a mad man , if there is an exit , use it. You want your boy to risk his life to prove how tough he is?


+1 these are 18 year old kids verses two grown men, chances are they lose that fight... We can sit here and say all we want about use kicking those two dudes [censored], but how many of you are gonna tell me you lose a fight to an 18 year old kid weighing a buck 70
Posted By: UTDmiller

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Monty Wright
The comment from the marina, wow

Oklahoma News 4 Article

Quote
CADDO COUNTY, Okla. - Two Oklahoma teens said their boat was attacked while fishing in Fort Cobb Lake on Tuesday evening, leaving their boat with thousands of dollars in damage.

“I couldn’t really believe it was going on. It was crazy, really,” said Jacob Russell, whose boat was hit.

Russell said he and his teammate, Jacob McClendon were fishing when two men began harassing the pair.

“It’s illegal to wreck my boat! What are you talking about?” Russell said in the video.

In the video, you can see another boat slamming into Russell's boat, multiple times.

“It scared me. I thought about jumping in there and was like, ‘Better not,’” McClendon said.

The teens, who are on the SWOSU fishing team, came to the lake to practice. They said they were near Sunset Cove Arena when a man started harassing them, throwing screws at their boat.

“They were trying to act like they owned a perimeter around the whole marina, within 150 feet of it. But it’s a public lake and we weren’t touching their docks,” Russell said.

They said that’s when the man got into his own boat, with another man, and started ramming the teens’ boat.

The marina posted this statement on Facebook:

“Regarding the events that took place Tuesday evening 8/27/2019. The Park Ranger, Oklahoma Highway Patrol, Caddo County Sherriff Department, and Oklahoma Game Wardens are aware of the situation and began an investigation immediately following the incident. There were no Sunset Cove Marina or Fort Cobb State Park employees involved in the incident. All involved were immediately interviewed and all eyewitnesses statements were taken (of the entire situation that occurred). We have contacted customers who have boats in our slips to please come and inspect their vessels for any damage the two individuals fishing caused prior to the video. Contact the State Park Ranger in regards to any reports of damage so that he can get his reports to the D.A.”

“Hopefully the boat gets fixed and people learn they can’t do this stuff to fishermen,” Russell said.

“I hope they get what they deserve,” McClendon said.

The teens said they have filed a police report. OHP said they’re investigating the incident.



That is absolute trash by the marina, ive read some hearsay regarding those two individuals being related to the marina owners.. no proof on that, but it would explain why the marina is trying to discredit those boys
Posted By: 361V

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Hog Jaw
If one of them boys in the Bass Boat was my son I would have beaten his a$$ for not whopping their a$$ .
Have an open back seat pretty often don’t you?
Posted By: GeoFisher

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 04:13 PM

The kids handled the situation as good as could be expected given the situation. No one was hurt and everyone is going home safely, including the two knuckleheads and that's the bottom line. I don't like drunks driving on the road next to me and my family either, but I cant just pull em over and whip their a$$es or shoot em.

Interesting to me is how the kid reacted after the first bump. "I gotta put my rod up" or something like that. Had they retaliated in a deadly manner (gun) and killed one of those jerks, it would be awfully hard for one of the youth's (My Cousin Vinny Reference) to prove that his life was in danger. That statement would not help them in a court of law.

Posted By: jackmason

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 04:45 PM

I just can't figure out why they weren't arrested after authorities saw the video. Clearly assault and property damage at the minimum.
Posted By: GeoFisher

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by jackmason
I just can't figure out why they weren't arrested after authorities saw the video. Clearly assault and property damage at the minimum.


Agree 100%.
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 06:42 PM

Looks pretty clear what happened here. The kids were in fishing a marina in which they were not allowed to fish (apparently Oklahoma law). The hillbillies were likely tied to the marina in some fashion. They started hollering at the kids to get out. The kids no doubt hollered back. A flood of cuss words was exchanged (hence the kids not posting any sound on the Facebook videos). The hillbillies started dropping drawers mooning them and throwing rocks at their boat. It escalated from there. Everyone was in the wrong here, including the kids. The hillbillies obviously took it way too far. Everyone should be grateful no lives got ruined that day over something so stupid.
Posted By: Jarrett Latta

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 07:00 PM

Just watched all 3 full videos with sound. Definitely a heated exchange and the kids started out on the outside of the docks. Words exchanged then they proceeded into the slip area. Guess it comes down to the definition of 150' from what structure? They definitely within feet of the docks. Probably explains why nobody was arrested.
Posted By: flukeman83

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Looks pretty clear what happened here. The kids were in fishing a marina in which they were not allowed to fish (apparently Oklahoma law). The hillbillies were likely tied to the marina in some fashion. They started hollering at the kids to get out. The kids no doubt hollered back. A flood of cuss words was exchanged (hence the kids not posting any sound on the Facebook videos). The hillbillies started dropping drawers mooning them and throwing rocks at their boat. It escalated from there. Everyone was in the wrong here, including the kids. The hillbillies obviously took it way too far. Everyone should be grateful no lives got ruined that day over something so stupid.


??? REALLY ???
It's not clear at all …… you have a whole lot of speculation in your post
the last 2 sentences are good though
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 07:06 PM

Jarrett, can you post the video links with sound?
Posted By: Jarrett Latta

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 07:11 PM

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161993451595251&id=811780250

Also saw where the 150' rule is for bank fishing. Not certain though
Posted By: Jpurdue

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161993451595251&id=811780250

Also saw where the 150' rule is for bank fishing. Not certain though


The kids remained fairly calm. They may well have been breaking the law, but it looks like virtually all the escalation was on the part of the hillbillies.
Posted By: Chasin Hogs

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 07:48 PM

Who really cares? The kids are probably at home watching Googan videos
living happily ever after....
Posted By: adam_p

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by GeoFisher
Originally Posted by jackmason
I just can't figure out why they weren't arrested after authorities saw the video. Clearly assault and property damage at the minimum.


Agree 100%.



Y'all don't think rural OK be like it is, but it do.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General...9-20-Page-30-new-video/5-1223033/?page=1
Posted By: Reshelman

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by GeoFisher
Originally Posted by jackmason
I just can't figure out why they weren't arrested after authorities saw the video. Clearly assault and property damage at the minimum.


Agree 100%.


Because it’s already been established most recently in the LBJ dock owner conflict thread, that law enforcement in fish and game scenarios is a dog and pony show catering to whomever yells the loudest.

You cannot have more clear evidence than that video, and nothing will happen to either party.
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by wh2004
Warning shot is never a good idea.


If you fire a warning shot you just escalated the situation. wife

I personally am not wasting ammo. hmmm
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
Just watched all 3 full videos with sound. Definitely a heated exchange and the kids started out on the outside of the docks. Words exchanged then they proceeded into the slip area. Guess it comes down to the definition of 150' from what structure? They definitely within feet of the docks. Probably explains why nobody was arrested.


We need the links Jarrett. popcorn2

I have only seen 2 videos and only one had sound.
Posted By: BigDozer66

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by adam_p
Originally Posted by GeoFisher
Originally Posted by jackmason
I just can't figure out why they weren't arrested after authorities saw the video. Clearly assault and property damage at the minimum.


Agree 100%.



Y'all don't think rural OK be like it is, but it do.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General...9-20-Page-30-new-video/5-1223033/?page=1



Man you went back to the ARFCOM Archives for that! thumb
Posted By: Jarrett Latta

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by BigDozer66
Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
Just watched all 3 full videos with sound. Definitely a heated exchange and the kids started out on the outside of the docks. Words exchanged then they proceeded into the slip area. Guess it comes down to the definition of 150' from what structure? They definitely within feet of the docks. Probably explains why nobody was arrested.


We need the links Jarrett. popcorn2

I have only seen 2 videos and only one had sound.



Posted above unless you don't have Facebook
Posted By: coachallentca

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 10:04 PM

https://www.facebook.com/stephen.r....51/10161993436580251/?type=3&theater

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1t0m3CBQE2/?igshid=atqdw2uqgqq4
Posted By: SteezMacQueen

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Txduckhunter
[quote=flukeman83]It was certainly justified-- in the least-- to fire a warning shot over their bow and state the next one would be deadly to protect ones self
Oklahoma --- while they like their Bubbas --- also cherish their STAND YOUR GROUND law and their



So much wrong info in this post...
With extremely rare exception, you shoot at someone or shoot someone - your going to jail.

Wasn’t it just the other day, that a “road rage” shootout ended with one dead? And the other driver/shooter fled the scene and then later turned himself in to police, only to be sent home with no charges filed?

Seems like a similar threat here. The justice system really does protect the innocent....but, you’d THINK that a killer would be held in custody for at least a few minutes. Obviously not the case.
Posted By: Douglas J

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/30/19 11:48 PM

The 2 guys in the john boat are exhibiting a very high level of NFG
Posted By: leethefishking

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Douglas J
The 2 guys in the john boat are exhibiting a very high level of NFG
No doubt, and very strange reaction by the kids. It’s almost like he wanted the guy to keep ramming his boat.
Posted By: Douglas J

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by leethefishking
Originally Posted by Douglas J
The 2 guys in the john boat are exhibiting a very high level of NFG
No doubt, and very strange reaction by the kids. It’s almost like he wanted the guy to keep ramming his boat.



very passive and didn't seem to have any sense of how to defend themselves
Posted By: basscaster46

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 03:16 AM

Them ain’t hillbilly’s just plain old white trash.
Posted By: sdavis24

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 03:30 AM

https://www.kswo.com/2019/08/31/swosu-freshmen-react-feud-fort-cobb-lake/
Posted By: SteezMacQueen

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by basscaster46
Them ain’t hillbilly’s just plain old white trash.

Hey now! You mess with them, and you messing with the entire trailer park!
Posted By: Tiltman

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 11:54 AM

I still don’t understand how the actual use of the Jon boat to continuously ram the other boat isn’t at least vandalism let alone some sort of assault.
Posted By: ReelSlow

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by basscaster46
Them ain’t hillbilly’s just plain old white trash.


I like Hillbilly's and RiverRats cheers
Posted By: adam_p

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by BigDozer66
Originally Posted by adam_p
Originally Posted by GeoFisher
Originally Posted by jackmason
I just can't figure out why they weren't arrested after authorities saw the video. Clearly assault and property damage at the minimum.


Agree 100%.



Y'all don't think rural OK be like it is, but it do.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General...9-20-Page-30-new-video/5-1223033/?page=1



Man you went back to the ARFCOM Archives for that! thumb


I remembered it well. I was hoping I could find it.

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Posted By: spankyttx

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 02:26 PM

adam_p, did he post his video of that guy hammering on that boat?
Posted By: Monty Wright

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by adam_p


I remembered it well. I was hoping I could find it.

[Linked Image]


Wow. It's almost unbelievable just how far the marina is willing to dig their heels in
Posted By: outfishdya

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Monty Wright
Originally Posted by adam_p


I remembered it well. I was hoping I could find it.

[Linked Image]


Wow. It's almost unbelievable just how far the marina is willing to dig their heels in

Wow,
If that is true and they have a video.....
Hard to believe
Posted By: sprigsss

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 05:28 PM

I think the teens handled themselves well. They did nothing to escalate the siuation even further. They left unharmed with evidence. Lots of tough guys on here, but you are not always the toughest and dont underestimate the power of drugs. No one knows what these two idiots were on to act like this.

You would also have a hard time proving that you were in fear for your life based on video.

Good to see those kids are more mature than many that have responded.
Posted By: Duck_Hunter

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 08:27 PM

The marina owner isn’t doing himself any favors, and that’s before I saw the accusation that he beat other boats with a hammer.
Posted By: beartrap

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 08:55 PM

lot of unanswered questions about this whole scenario....it's understandable a couple of college freshmen/kids just out of high school could be intimidated by a couple of construction workers but the big question is why were those construction guys throwing screws/nails at them to begin with unless asked to do so by marina owner...
Posted By: 1oldbassguy

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 09:00 PM

If the post regarding the two hillbillies , getting a hammer and then beating some marks on a boat is true , the Marina owner is in deep dookie , "the cover up is always worse than the crime "
Posted By: elkhartdom

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 08/31/19 09:30 PM

i sure hope the authoritys do something about all this, its totally ridiculous for sure, why haven't these people been arrested for vandalism, distruction of property terrorist threats and harassment?
Posted By: Ranger205

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 09/01/19 02:13 AM

I hope the johnboat operators face justice along with anyone related or not to the marina for taking a hammer to another's boat BUT........given the lack of justice in a lot of instances now a days in this country I won't hold MY breath. It seems the moral compass broke years ago. Kudo's to the teens for not escalating the issue to a point that might have had dire consequences later.
Posted By: leethefishking

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 09/01/19 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by sprigsss
I think the teens handled themselves well. They did nothing to escalate the siuation even further. They left unharmed with evidence. Lots of tough guys on here, but you are not always the toughest and dont underestimate the power of drugs. No one knows what these two idiots were on to act like this.

You would also have a hard time proving that you were in fear for your life based on video.

Good to see those kids are more mature than many that have responded.
I’m not saying they needed to wip [censored] but once a guy rams your boat! To hell with your line, throw your rod down and get out of there. If your gonna stay then be ready to fight.
Posted By: Gamblinman

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 09/01/19 07:38 PM

No matter what those kids did in the bass boat, it should have been handled by law enforcement, not by a couple of rednecks. I hope they charge the driver of the john boat for indecent exposure (the mooning incident), battery (for throwing the screws at them) and assault with a deadly weapon (the ramming incident).
Posted By: Choogie Chunker

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 09/01/19 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gamblinman
No matter what those kids did in the bass boat, it should have been handled by law enforcement, not by a couple of rednecks. I hope they charge the driver of the john boat for indecent exposure (the mooning incident), battery (for throwing the screws at them) and assault with a deadly weapon (the ramming incident).


From what I’ve read both boys are 18. But if either one was even 1 day under 18 that would make him a minor and the idiot a sex offender involving a minor. Much worse offense.
Posted By: lconn4

Re: Wow! Talk about on the water confrontation! - 09/01/19 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by sprigsss
I think the teens handled themselves well. They did nothing to escalate the siuation even further. They left unharmed with evidence. Lots of tough guys on here, but you are not always the toughest and dont underestimate the power of drugs. No one knows what these two idiots were on to act like this.

You would also have a hard time proving that you were in fear for your life based on video.

Good to see those kids are more mature than many that have responded.



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