Googan Squad or Scam?

Anyone notice that the Googan baits and Strike King baits are nearly identical? I mean even down to the names.

Say it ain't so

Probably made in the same factory, market the SK baits to the old guys and the new ones to the young guys, ha

All soft plastics look alike. How many similar baits are there to a senko?

"nearly identical", is that another way of saying "similar?"

They're "Similar"

Googan baits are really good at catching flat breams.

The guy who owns the rage tail patents let them buy use his patent for the baits

Ya, becauase your a DB if you don't curve your hat like Bill Dance..
Never used a ''googan'' bait, but man I get tired of how you should wear your hat guy.

I know they met with Steve Parks on at least a couple of occasions. I think one of them even took a solo trip with him to a factory over seas. They fished with him in Mexico as well I believe. So yeah I suspect they probably got a license agreement with him to use his Rage design to some degree.

The packaging is another thing that reminds so many people of Rage. I know Rob has said they went to the people with the patent on that clam shell packaging and licensed it from them as well.

I have used the Rage baits a lot and am super impressed with them. That's coming from someone who is not a Strike King fan at all. I have not used the Googans baits but did play with them in the store last week and I think they hit it out of the park at least on the craw design. I can see where it might even be better than the Rage just because its softer and I like their scent better than the coffee scent in the Rage.

I know the Googans get a lot of hate here on this forum but they did these baits right guys. They could have put out some junk with the Googan name on it and sold plenty of it just on the name. Instead they decided to compete with the best.

And if you read all of that and don't know who Steve Parks is then shame on you! Next to Ed Chambers he is probably one of the best lure designers of our time.

Those baits don't really look that similar.

I want one of those Jerseys to fish in to keep the sun off my neck.

Flat bream = flat fish or bream caught on a flat
Flat brim = flat brimmed hat

condoms would’ve eliminated so many of these posts I see Now.

There’s 15 versions of senkos probably more, same with just about every other soft plastic. They’re making a craw fish imitating bait, what’s it supposed to look like a dolphin?

Plus they paid rage for rights to their their mold

Lol. That’s some funny truth right there!

Some unnecessary hate going on. I won't buy the Googan Baits or the Favorite Rods because there are better options out there. But they are good for the industry and getting younger people into fishing. I think a lot of it is old men that are jealous of these guys making a career out of fishing when it can only be their hobby.

#growing the sport

I agree, quite a bit of difference; but which brand is cheaper?

And brush hog.

Post of the year. I know it's February, but I think it will make it. Clark

outstanding

They are not identical, the names do not appear to be the same either. What am I missing here?

Plenty of craws that look way more “similar” as these two baits.

Agreed, 80% of soft craws looks similar. They are craws for god sake.

I’ll give ya a wooden nickel if that was about catching bream fish on a flat...

Scam? How would it be a scam?

Are they DB’s? Sure.

Not a scam though and nowhere close to identical. If you’re going to copy a crawdad, Rage is the one to ripoff.

To me, those don’t look similiar at all. Very different.

do you think fish can tell the difference?

Best stuff I've heard in a while on here!

They don't look anything alike too me.

I see similar

I am not sure how anyone expects anything NEW at this point.
zThe condom analogy is/was a great one.

Do you, and quit complaining. If yo don't like it, don't buy it. I don't.

Where can I get one of them dolphin baits, eh?!

I dont even see similar in those two baits shown, one has tapered body one has strait body. One has claws one has flippers. One has legs, other does not. No way made in same mold. Color wise everyone makes same colors. What bait companies all offer plum, junebug, watermelon red. Black neon etc.

Not even close! Look at the claws, body shape and added legs. Color is about the same, but that's it

Just more unnecessary googan hate. Literally every bait company out there is ripping off something in it's own way.

I havent tried them yet...Not even sure where i can purchase them in person..I will say this..I saw Denny Braur fishing with Justin Rackley down in Mexico with the Gogan squad all around..Lol. Im sure its an effort to get a younger demographic into fishing and driving market share..

Yep.

I'm not a Googan follower, but they have a huge audience appealing to a younger crowd and they are good for the sport.

Can anyone post a soft plastics manufacturer who doesn't produce one bait that mimics a bait created by another company?

Hating on the kids? If for some strange reason this company appeals to the youth then kudos! As far as similar? Sure, but hardly the same. Many others more similar then these two examples. Go look at the isle labeled “WORMS” at Bass Pro if you want to see similar! I personally bend my bill on my cap because that’s what I learned 40 years ago in high school but there’s way worse things someone who “flat bills” can do with their time than fishing, hunting...in the great outdoors! As the father of three college educated boys who now have jobs with 401 K’s AND a love for the outdoors I have learned to pick my battles better(honestly, through trial & error at times)!

Doubtful that anyone can name a company.

If you wear a flat bill hat you shouldn't be allowed to fish in Texas..... Change my mind.

also *you're*

Not sure if you're serious...

lol what's your 9-5 job that you hate so much?

One looks like a crawdad and the other looks like a crawfish

Got an “open back seat” always do you?

What do I win?

post pictures

Both were designed by Steve Parks who owns the patents for Rage Tail. The claw design is almost identical. As said above he’s a pretty big deal in the fishing lure industry right now. He told me the other day he has 11 patents on his designs. It would be amazing to make a great living doing what you love to do!

You misunderstood the challenge. Show one company where every soft plastic they manufacturer is totally unique and doesn't spoof another company's design.

If you're a bass fisherman and wine about a bait company that makes Bass lures you shouldn't be allowed to fish in tx.

YES, coz in Texas we need way more lures than we have now..So we can can take three times as long to make decisions..lol...

They all mimic one another! The Googans didn't do anything others don't and like others have said if your making a craw bait it needs to look like a craw!

Only one. The dude out of Hollywood who made the Basstrix Paddletail Tube. Everyone else has knocked him off, but he was the first to produce a soft, hollow-bodied swimbait that is extremely lifelike.

If you do some research, LUNKERSTV, did meet with BIG O, and have in depth meetings with him, on being able to use the molds for the flanges on the appendages. There is no FOUL PLAY, PATENT INFRINGEMENT on the googan baits that are currently being sold. It has all been done by the BOOK, by EVERY PATENT, and so forth. These young men are not out to STEAL anything from the BIG bait manufacturers, this deal has been in the works for quite a few years. SO the above statement is pretty spot on for what has transpired

Yall are also forgetting who is really the mastermind behind it all, and that's Scott Martin. Why do you think you are seeing it plastered all over FLW now.

What is not really being mentioned is the quality and softness of the plastic. Yes everyone mimics each other somewhat. But the reality is a higher end bait like a Strike King,Yamamoto or a Missile Baits , is going to have a softer plastic for more action. That is not to say bait like a Zoom or a Yum does not have it's place. They tend to be cheaper, you get more of them and tend to be a littler more durable. Yes the Googan is similar but it is an industry of monkey see, monkey do.

Lol. You think SK and Missle are better baits than Zoom? Did i read that right?

I touched a little on the softness of the Googan baits in one of my earlier responses. I can tell you right now the Googan craw is softer than the Rage craw though. I wont compare the others since we are talking Googan vs Strike King in this thread though.

they don't look very similar to me at all

My Son caught a 9.14 Monday on the Krankin Kraw. He likes them.

The real mastermind behind all of this is "Hector" who likes to fish but has a big following/companies in the gaming aka E sports industry and pretty much helped Rob (lunkersTv) through all this stuff and has brought a lot of the gaming stuff into what you see these guys doing fishing wise.. Scott Martin is just getting his piece of the pie as they expand and try to put their footprint in all the corners of the fishing industry! He's also very marketable and uses social media to promote his brand which you see more and more of the elite and flw doing now.. They have sponsors some MLF guys as well,

It's genius if you ask me, people dont wanna get out of the old way of thinking as this world we live in changes in everything we do!

Not true(this thread is filled with some misinformation)....Actually, this thread and many like it is what gives the G Squad popularity. Robert got the idea of making baits after visiting with Gary Y and fishing on his property. No, it wasn’t a Steve Parks collabo then (someone said this idea was many years ago with Parks, not true).

All I know is I"m addicted to krack.... specifically the krackin' craw!

Sounds like a few are mad that they didn't get invited to be a Googan.

more power to them. congratulations on the success! I'll make sure and pick up a few packs next time I see them due to this thread.

What I don’t get is the bandwagon engineering by some folks.

Why make another copycat product? Why not actually spend time engineering a UNIQUE product? Yeh. I know. I’m a hater. You’re right. I hate products that essentially take up space that could be used to keep better products in adiquate stock.

They fish, I like fishing so I watch their videos during the winter, Lunkers and LFG anyways. If they can do anything to get some of these kids outdoors and off their phones then great.

I watch LFG and Lunkers because I think they are both serious outdoorsman. They both can catch fish and they both can hunt.. especially Lunkers. I started using soft plastics when there was only Creme, Fliptail and Mann's Jelly Worms.. Now there are probably 50 mfg. of soft plastics but there are only about 5 different style baits.. so will there be overlap in design.. absolutely. People are catching fish with their baits.. no question. I don't have any problem with what they are doing..especially getting younger folks into the sport. It takes a different kind of person to be able to create a video that people want to watch. The fact that these guys can do that as well as include outdoors stuff in their videos.. more power too them.

BD

I was talking about the Googan squad and how it all got started and where its heading, Look into E sports and how they have Teams aka squads when it comes to gaming I think you will understand it a lil better, Rob took that same principal and applied into the fishing world.. The baits I really dont know much about it. I got a reply from Rob about the baits and Steve Parks with using his patent when everyone was saying they are ripping off stike king not knowing they arent...

I'm having some luck with the Krackin Kraw

Wait until they bring out the googan reel. It will look just like every other reel on the market. Kind of like the rods. They seem too all look a like too.

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The whole thread was about the baits being a scam on other baits not about whether the design of the googan squad was a “hector” idea. Yes it is a licensing agreement as you will see the same patent numbers on the bags. It was much cheaper for them to use the same pour house as SK. People were expecting the Googans to come out with original ideas not dependent on licensing as the Googans created their own brand. This is where folks will point out that they are not original baits just copy cats....a let down for the ol’ School and a plus for the fans.

Looks like 2 pounds worth of luck.

Pretty good eye! LOL

It's a GIIIIIIANT!!

My sources say that Rob or "The Goog" as we used to call him, is being bought out by Ryan Toysreview and he's going to make the baits as well. There are even rumors Ryan would like to own TFF!

As TFFers we will all have to use the Googy bait brand and review them or risk being banned from the forum.

It's a crazy world we live in.

Then I guess I wont be on TFF much longer then! lol.

Not sure I would have posted a picture of that dink.

Not sure I would sit behind my keyboard and try to kick others in the @#$$% but hey to each his own! 5 of those on Fork gets u a check most of the time and I'm not ashamed to say there has been days when I wish I had that!

^^^^ I think his post is more about the bait works, then for those to admire the fish. ^^^^

What bait doesn’t work for dink’s? I’ll play too, if dink’s are what we are after now. Dink’s will hit anything, show us the big fish to prove that they work.



Oh look, an orange worm, how natural.

Medina?

Oh sir, you know your trophy bass! That’s about as big as they get for me there.

hard to believe this thread has gone this long

They didn’t hit my chatterbait, fluke or spinnerbait Sunday.

Nah, easy to believe.

Well you don’t have enough dink’s in your lake then! If you would have thrown the new googans craw, you would have been beating the fish off with a stick!


But seriously, where are you fishing?

Really nothing else to discuss at this time. Classics too far away still, no BPT/BASS/FLW tournaments. Can’t discuss the new trolling motors because they won’t show them, can’t discuss Vexus.

I really thought they'd be more goonan hate... I was wrong

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

- George Carlin

Medina dinks love that weightless wacky Senko

I think there was initially, but seeing what they are accomplishing you just can’t argue with.

Not to derail this thread, but did you see the winning weights from Saturday’s tournament? 18lbs and then on Sunday it was 4lbs. Amazing the difference in 1 day!


Ok back to posting lunker pictures...