Texas Fishing Forum

Spun hub? Or worse?

Posted By: Resh

Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/18/20 02:55 AM

Was cruising along at about 3/4 speed this evening on the way back to the ramp. Have a 2001 tracker pro crappie with the 75hp Mercury for tracker on it. All of a sudden the engine revved way high rpm and I lost all thrust. Motor runs and idles fine, but has 0 thrust forward or reverse. I’ve read several places where a spun hub usually will still move at idle speed but won’t support any speed under load. Any other suggestions as to what it might be?
Posted By: BCB

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/18/20 12:07 PM

Cable off the engine or control box,
gearcase went out and won’t engage,
prop shaft broken inside case,
hub...

Just pop the prop and see what you have.
Posted By: Tiltman

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/18/20 12:19 PM

Hope it is something simple , keep us posted

When moving shifter forward or back does it seem to feel normal or is it loose sloppy?
Posted By: Resh

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/18/20 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tiltman
Hope it is something simple , keep us posted

When moving shifter forward or back does it seem to feel normal or is it loose sloppy?


It feels pretty normal, maybe a little less resistance than normal but definitely not loose.

I’ll get the prop off and we’ll send whats there, thank you for the replies
Posted By: CCTX

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/18/20 02:55 PM

Don't get discouraged yet. I had a similar experience 3 years ago one time on the water (high revs but no torque)
That same day my cranking battery didn't fire the engine at the very end of the day at the ramp

First thing I did was change out the lower unit oil to look for any metal fragments (there were none and the oil looked great)
I then replaced the hub and prop. (the old hub and prop looked fine, but replaced anyway)
Replaced the fuel filters (the old ones looked fine, but replaced anyway)
Replaced the cranking battery.

Knock on wood, I haven't had any issues since.
I suspect it was a battery issue. I've heard from others that battery/electrical issues can present similarly to spun hub symptoms.
Posted By: rj74955

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/18/20 11:17 PM

Are you saying it won't move at all when in gear?
Posted By: Resh

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/19/20 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by rj74955
Are you saying it won't move at all when in gear?


Correct, as if it’s in fast idle. Both forward and reverse the same. It will rev and increase rpm but there is zero thrust

Got the prop off today, drive shaft seems to be solid and in one piece. The prop hub is covered pretty well in grease, need to get it cleaned off and out so I can see if replacing it solves things. Not very experienced in these things, but replacing the hub seems like a pretty straightforward deal
Posted By: Resh

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/20/20 12:50 AM

So I got the prop cleaned up a little, looks like im stuck. There is no rubber piece to take out. After some reading it appears I have a press in style hub? From everything I read this means take it in to a shop. Suggestions welcomed. I’ve been to Larry’s in Plano before, seems to do ok work but just kind of charges what he wants to charge and a little too curmudgeony for me.

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
Posted By: bronco71

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/20/20 12:55 AM

Mcgills in Lewisville can check the hub and replace if needed.
Posted By: rb7764

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/20/20 01:04 AM

start the motor on muffs and shift her to forward and tell us if the prop shaft is turning. Same for reverse.
Posted By: Resh

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/20/20 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by rb7764
start the motor on muffs and shift her to forward and tell us if the prop shaft is turning. Same for reverse.


Don’t have muffs, so I put the prop back on and backed it into the water, the prop moves in gear both forward and reverse. This is a good thing!!
Posted By: Stump jumper

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/20/20 07:11 PM

I dont know much about smaller props but if you can have the hub pressed out and put a flo torque hub in it.
Posted By: Flippin-Out

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/22/20 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Reshelman
Originally Posted by rb7764
start the motor on muffs and shift her to forward and tell us if the prop shaft is turning. Same for reverse.


Don’t have muffs, so I put the prop back on and backed it into the water, the prop moves in gear both forward and reverse. This is a good thing!!

Yes, it's good the prop turned because this means your lower unit probably doesn't have any issue. In another way, it is also a bad thing. Why? Well, if your original post is true and accurate, the prop wasn't turning then, but there is no explanation why it's turning now. Problems don't just correct themselves, but they can be intermittent. Taking the prop off and putting it back on doesn't "fix" a prop that doesn't spin. (The shaft and hub are splined, so it wasn't slipping just because it wasn't on there tight enough.)

A spun hub that's not "totally trashed" yet can sometimes grip enough at low torque if allowed to cool down. I will hypothesize that you spun the hub when you were out previously. Now that it has cooled down, the rubber isn't as soft, and it now grips better, but not truly like it must to work correctly. It held when you put it into gear at low RPM in your water test. I suspect that the next time you go out and nail it, the hub will spin before you get on plane. You should try that near the ramp, and have a plan on how you're going to get back to the ramp. A good plan would be to buy a spare prop.
Posted By: Resh

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/22/20 02:08 AM

^ thank you. Took it McGills in Lewisville today, he was able to press it out and install new in 10 minutes. Said the old one was pretty trashed up. Taking it out in the morning to break it in properly and see if I can putter around a bit.

Thanks for the replies
Posted By: bronco71

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/22/20 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Reshelman
^ thank you. Took it McGills in Lewisville today, he was able to press it out and install new in 10 minutes. Said the old one was pretty trashed up. Taking it out in the morning to break it in properly and see if I can putter around a bit.

Thanks for the replies

cheers
Posted By: Resh

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/22/20 03:11 PM

Well the sage continues, prop repair did nothing. Prop spins slowly and inconsistently when put in gear, and when trimmed down it produces air bubbles out the top of the lower unit. I have videos but can’t post them.

Suggestions on repair shop to take to for diagnostic? Located in McKinney, much easier to go East than West. Thanks all


Edit to include picture of bubbles
[Linked Image]
Posted By: rb7764

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/22/20 03:43 PM

I hate to see you just throw parts at it. Although, replacing the hub was probably a good thing. You need to get a set of muffs and start her on your driveway and tell us what you see. Also, I'm not sure about how to do this on that specific motor, but you need to make sure your shift shaft is moving up and down to actually move the clutch dog back and forth.

If you want, I am in Frisco and would be happy to help you look at it today if you want to bring it to my home. Only charge is to pass along a good deed to someone else. I will PM you my cell number.
Posted By: grout-scout

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/22/20 04:11 PM

Guess you lost some ring gears. Surely you didn’t snap the shaft, take the prop off and drop the lower unit. Time to diagnose.
Posted By: Resh

Re: Spun hub? Or worse? - 08/22/20 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by rb7764
I hate to see you just throw parts at it. Although, replacing the hub was probably a good thing. You need to get a set of muffs and start her on your driveway and tell us what you see. Also, I'm not sure about how to do this on that specific motor, but you need to make sure your shift shaft is moving up and down to actually move the clutch dog back and forth.

If you want, I am in Frisco and would be happy to help you look at it today if you want to bring it to my home. Only charge is to pass along a good deed to someone else. I will PM you my cell number.


Rb thank you for the offer to help, much appreciated! cheers I’m tied up the rest of the weekend and will tackle it next week. Need to take it in and figure out the issues as others have suggested. Much appreciated for the replies and offer
© 2024 Texas Fishing Forum