For those of you with knowledge of both would you please discuss the pros and cons. I will get to demo a Mariner this weekend, but the Outback is not available for demo in these parts. I am 6'1" and 240 lbs and will be fishing windy Kansas reservoirs. Of particular interest to me is ability to handle wind, waves, knee, back strain, etc.

Well I weigh 200 pounds and had about another 100 pounds of camping gear on my mariner today. Fought through wind no issue. Easy to stand in and lots of open space. The outback looks like a tighter fit to me

Chris Payne??

I can only speak for the Mariner. I've had mine a few months. What I like about it is the pedal drive having instant reverse. It makes it easier to stay on a spot in the wind or back yourself out of tight areas like timber where you do not have the room to turn around. It is very stable and easy to stand in. I was on Grapevine last month with winds gusting to 35mph and it handled the rough water very well. The seat is very comfortable as well. The only improvement I could see would be in the rudder. It is fixed and not retractable and I feel like I have to be careful when dragging or loading the kayak sometimes. It serves its function just fine in the water and I haven't had any real problems with it I just wish it was built a little more solid. The only other issue may be mounting items in the rear of the kayak. There is no access to the back but that can easily be worked around by using well nuts to mount accessories which is what I used. Hope this helps. I'm sure you'll enjoy whichever kayak you decide on.

Get a Pro Angler 14

I'd try both and see what you think feels better.

It looks like the pedals are sort of high, where your feet almost go head high. Is that right and is it comfortable to peddle? Do you recline the seat some when peddling? They sure are nice looking! Thank you for info.

I guess it depend on your size but for me (im 6') it is definitely below the level of my head. It's very comfortable to peddle I will often eat a sandwich or retie a line while moving to a new spot. I would say find a local dealer and take both of your choices for a test ride.

Sorry, just saw this.

The Outback pedals are not head high. The center "scupper" that the mirage drive fits in is recessed. The pedals are right about the height of your hips when sitting in the seat. The Hobie seat in the Outback is significantly different than the Mariner. The Hobie has a removable, lightweight almost standard style high back seat. It does have lumbar adjustments through air chambers. As for wind and waves, it has no issues. The rudder works well to keep you on course. Add an anchor trolley and you're in good shape.
I did a full write up on it last month. Check it out here: http://www.paynespaddlefish.com/2013/03/final-thoughts-on-2013-hobie-outback.html

Some questions remain:
How will you be transporting? Truck? Trailer? Car Top?
Will you be camping or doing river trips which require lots of storage?
How is your strength? Look at the weight difference between them.
What rigging would you like to do? the Mariner and Outback are setup differently on the deck.
How is your back? The Mariner seat is a major difference between the two.
Do you fish in shallow water a lot? The Outback will go shallower and do it faster than the Mariner if you need to pull the drive.
Do you want to stand and fish? The Mariner is a more developed standing platform and easier to get up and down.
Sorry for lots of questions but the answers will be your answer. Feel free to ask away. I'll keep up with the thread.

These are both great kayaks and most would be happy with either.

Local dealers and demos are pretty nonexistent in Kansas.

Hey KSDog,

I'm not sure where you got your info, but, among our demo armada on Saturday, we WILL have our Hobie Outback (equipped with the same rectangular front of seat hatch as the PAs) at the Spring G2G. Our dedicated demo Outback has been out for several weeks to Mariner Ambassador Chris Payne for testing and reviews. Chris is returning the Outback at the G2G and will be trading the Outback out for a Native Watercraft Slayer 12 for review.

Whenever we have a demo boat loaned out and you are seriously interested, we will pull the same product from stock for you to take a confirmation test paddle. I generally like to pull your personal color preference so you can be the first person to splash your own kayak.

SEE YOU SATURDAY!!!

I don't think he'll be there...

Yeah its a little bit far from Kansas.

OOPS...my bad...shouldn't quickly check the forum before leaving home to drive to the store.

If I can hi jack the thread. I'm think of getting a outback or pa 12. I like the size of the outback,but not so much the seat. Is standing to cast a big problem? And of course the pa 12 is really nice, but i'm concerned about transporting it. At the G2G, will 2:30 pm to late to get there? I'm working sat morning. Will there be demos of both?

I know there will be an Outback there. I am bringing one. Probably a PA12 or two as well. Standing to cast is relative to height, weight, top heaviness, balance and fitness level. The Outback isn't made for standing and casting. You can do it but the design wasn't made for it. I can cast and retrieve crankbaits standing up in one but I won't dare say ANYONE can. I really dislike those claims. The PA12 is wider and will be more stable. Loading depends on the vehicle but a side load bar can help you get it on the top of an SUV without hurting you or the car.