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Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6993236 12/31/11 01:09 AM
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If you have a Champ 223 I would put a Merc 300xs on it. I think that boat needs a 300. I use to own one and a 300 pushed at great.


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6993529 12/31/11 02:22 AM
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250 sho. Alot of the problems are people caused problems not from the motor malfunctioning. But they did have their problems at first. I know of 9 people that run them that are very good friends and No problems period.



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Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6995237 12/31/11 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: champion 22
I am in the process of repowering my 22` Champion and was wondering what to go back with. I t currently had a Merc 225 efi Should consider a 4 stroke or 2 stroke ?

I'd personally go with a 4 stroke Yammy...



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Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6996792 01/01/12 02:26 AM
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Love the smell of a Yammie Two Stroke in the morning , nothing like twisting those RPM's in the afternoon.


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6996925 01/01/12 03:05 AM
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250 SHO is hard to beat. The only thing you will miss is the 2 stroke smell. No issues with mine so far and with a 5 year warranty I don't have to worry much. Bought it during their warranty promotion. They may still have it going on.


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6997031 01/01/12 03:41 AM
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I own a 250HPDI and I just bought a new boat with a 250 SHO so far I'm happy to have it just put my 7th hour on it.


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6998221 01/01/12 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: champion 22
I am in the process of repowering my 22` Champion and was wondering what to go back with. I t currently had a Merc 225 efi Should consider a 4 stroke or 2 stroke ?


497# pounds for two stroke OptiMax 225 -- yields 20 percent more miles per gallon and an average of 26 percent greater cruising range than even a competitive 225 hp 4-Stroke-when cruising between 20 and 40 mph. Which translates into better overall fuel economy and fewer stops at the pump.

635 # for the 225 Verado four stroke and almost EXACT gas mileage

Less maintenance required on two stroke , fewer parts, designed for marine power.

More $$$$$$ maintenance for four strokes , more parts, NEVER WAS designed for Marine power - was just a factory work around to meet Federal mandated emissions requirements --

Now you have the REAL story !!!


You can hang more weight on the transom and I suspect a slight loss on top end --


I work on em, too - as a marine mechanic I STILL rate two stroke over fours for reliability -

The ONLY motor really designed as a marine fourstroke from the git go was Suzuki/Honda

Yammy, Bombardier, Mercury fours were as a RESULT of Federal pressure -

Black on back for me ----

Fuel injection is OK as long as motors don't sit much between use and Texas E-10 is making me RICH - E-10 SCRUBS cylinder walls of needed lubrication - best thing for cratered engines since carbon chips and chopper props !!!


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Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6998287 01/01/12 05:32 PM
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Different strokes(so to speak). You're gonna lose a lot of money on a repower. Rebuild the motor if you still got it.


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #6998387 01/01/12 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: champion 22
can any one tell me is there any proformance differences on whole shot and top end?


That's entirely dependent on correct prop for your boat, weight distribution and proper trim - both fours and two strokes most efficient WOT is around 5800 to 6000 RPM

And set backs of about six inches will improve ALL boats performance in top end and hole shot -

Mostly its not the motor RPM at shaft that determines hole shot/top end - thats mostly as a result of thrust, slip, clean water delivered at the prop


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #7004294 01/03/12 12:46 AM
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"I guess that is why I see an sho go up in smoke almost every
Tournament. Gooluck"

Ya right!

No brainer....4 stroke


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #7004878 01/03/12 02:39 AM
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It is amazing how someone asks a question if you have a difference of opinion some people have to respond by being a smart rear. I saw an SHO go up at Blt on hubbard creek, on at Blt state champ on Rayburn. When the pro xs came out they had problems and the SHO has had some also whether man made or tech made. Give people honest opinions based on facts guys.


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: triton37] #7006584 01/03/12 05:15 PM
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Ya opinions are like that anatomy part - Fords or Chevies, Toyotas or Nissans

work on a few and see what really comes into the shop about four to one four strokes cratered over two strokes -

K.I.S.S.

The MAJORITY of $500/1000 dollar repairs are in fuel injection systems on four strokes - they don't like E-10 unless they are run daily --


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Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #7006783 01/03/12 06:05 PM
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I guide full time. I have nearly 400 hours on my 4 stroke and it was bought new in June 2011. Not one problem. I run straight unlead fuel in it every day with no additives. I have only seen one of the new 4 strokes with problems out on the lake since then, but have seen a dozen two strokes broken down. There are lots of good motors out there and all makers will have a problem here and there, but I would not worry about crazy rumors when making a purchase. The warranty will cover repairs if you do have a problem either way you go.

I chose a 4 stroke because I was burning about $50 a day in gas and 2stroke oil. I am now running about $20-$25 a day in fuel expenses. Those savings at 25 outing a month makes a boat payment.

If you only fish weekends a few months out of the year, save some $ and go with a 2 stroke. Thats just my opinion. grin




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Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: Lakeguide] #7007148 01/03/12 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: *Lakeguide*
I guide full time. I have nearly 400 hours on my 4 stroke and it was bought new in June 2011. Not one problem. I run straight unlead fuel in it every day with no additives. I have only seen one of the new 4 strokes with problems out on the lake since then, but have seen a dozen two strokes broken down. There are lots of good motors out there and all makers will have a problem here and there, but I would not worry about crazy rumors when making a purchase. The warranty will cover repairs if you do have a problem either way you go.

I chose a 4 stroke because I was burning about $50 a day in gas and 2stroke oil. I am now running about $20-$25 a day in fuel expenses. Those savings at 25 outing a month makes a boat payment.

If you only fish weekends a few months out of the year, save some $ and go with a 2 stroke. Thats just my opinion. grin



Matt you point out the crux of the problem - the "average " boater gets out maybe twice a month - this is very hard on ANY engine, then they run hard and get put up wet

Anyone who uses a boat daily has almost zero actual mechanical issues - most of the problems are "operator" error !!

And new year model EFI/DFI two strokes on some manufacturers are just as fuel stingy as a four stroke.

Yes the added cost is the oil -- BUT the trade off is weight cheers


Re: 4 stroke or 2 stroke ? [Re: champion 22] #7007508 01/03/12 09:43 PM
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Four stroke is the only way to go in my opinion. If you drive much at all they will save you money in the long run. We run tons of trips and I've learned that four strokes save us money. Just change the fluids and keep adding fuel!
Good luck in your decision.



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