Threw everything at them, cured chicken liver, chicken liver, DKings, Lewis Kings, Big Marves, Secret seven, Shrimp, frozen shad, live perch, all sprayed with Dead red and not a single bite!! Had 5 set-uos on the bank was a bit windy but not too cold, guess either they went deep or not hungry. What the hell ate all the bait off my hooks I couldn't say is it smaller fish or turtles?? Gonna give Cali a try on Sunday.