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SAL Program #4387995 01/21/10 01:07 AM
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After the catch at Falcon and the angler turning it into the SAL Program I have noticed several websites, and several comments in threads that appear to be against this program, and are in some cases "MAD" at the angler for turning it in! Why is that? Having lived in Texas for only 2 years now I thought the SAL Program was a good deal. Why all the disdain for the program? Is there something about it that I don't know that would make me hate it too? Someone share the secret with me please?

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Re: SAL Program [Re: Clucky] #4388026 01/21/10 01:15 AM
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To make a long story short about half are for and half are against. I am one of the ones who is against it. For many lakes there is no real upside.

There is also the transportation factor. Several SAL's have died over the years in transit.

I personally, think the fish and the lake are better served being released. That being said, every angler has the right to do as they wish if caught legally.

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Some folks think the lake or themselves are getting shortchanged by the fish not being released back into the lake. It is the anglers business as to what he/she wants to do with the fish. Let it go, eat it, or give it away.


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Re: SAL Program [Re: zorro] #4388108 01/21/10 01:33 AM
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It's mainly public opinion that fish often die in transit (which TPWD takes all the blame for even if nobody asks how the angler held the fish while waiting for pick-up). Almost every fish submitted to the program survives now because of better handling procedures and a more educated public. This wasnt the case when SAL began.

Also, people dont like that the lake the fish came out of doesn't get the eggs that particular fish produced. It does get a share of the live fingerlings the program produces and the lunker is returned to the lake after spawning.

I like SAL but its getting about time to do some real analysis to see if the program is improving fish quality beyond the effects of Florida strain introduction.



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Re: SAL Program [Re: Outdoordude] #4388199 01/21/10 01:52 AM
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It can be returned to a differant lake if the angler desires. I know of one that was caught at fork and released at grandbury. I kind of like his choose to do that.But I think they have enough of the gene pool now and I wish they would Come up with a program that would encourage anglers to release even smaller pigs in certain lakes . Maybe do a replica for 11#s caught out of north tx lakes after certifed catch and release. The program needs tweeking. IMO

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I've read the arguments against the SAL program and I think they make some valid points especially with regards to the reduction of 15+ lb. fish caught since the program started. However, TP&W does give a fiberglass replica to the donating fisherman.

Maybe, if the tackle store owners and/or guides at the lake in which a 13+lber is caught offered to pay for a replica, more would be released back into it's native lake, continue to reproduce in that lake, and have a better chance of becoming a 15 lber.


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Re: SAL Program [Re: Outdoordude] #4388262 01/21/10 02:05 AM
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I can tell you in 2 years in Texas I catch more 10 plus bass per year than I did my 8 years in Florida. Every tourney I fish in Texas several people bag a 10 or better. I have fished 200-500 boat tourney's in Florida and 20 lbs won it with no 10 or betters hitting the scales, not 35 plus pounds to win. 20 won't even get you in the money on some lakes here in Texas, and I am comparing it to Florida fishing lakes like Kissimmee, Toho, walk-in-water, stick marsh 13, Istokpoga and Big O roughly 3 weekends a month. The fishing here is so much better for numbers and big fish in my opinion so someone is doing something right. You guys have it good here!!

The only real successful program in Florida is Hydrilla Lake, where there is no gas engines (used), use to be 2 boats a day picked via a lottery to fish and it is all catch and release, used to cost $150.00 for the boat and two anglers and a third person cost $50.00 extra I believe that is correct I know it was expensive. It is an old phosphate pit outside of Lakeland Florida, and there you could catch 10 over 10 a day and average 6 plus pounds on 50 fish days. That place is a dream and on occasion Bill Dance films there, or so I hear never actually saw him out there so I guess that is just a rumor.. I have no idea how, what, when or if they stock yearly and I want to say the lake is roughly 80 acres, so it is very small..

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You make some great points but if it can be improved which I think it can why not try it. No doudt its helped all LMB stockings in tx .

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I guess that the people that are not for the SAL program dont remember when there were no Florida strain bass in Texas. The pure blood Floridas were alot more agresive than the native bass in Texas. Now that the blood line has thinned out from cross breeding with the natives, the lakes in Texas are not producing the numbers of giant bass that they once did. We need to introduce some new Florida blood into the mix. I remember when a 10lb bass was very very rare back before Monticelo, and Fork were even lakes. Just my opinion, Brian.


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TP&W does give a fiberglass replica to the donating fisherman.



A fish on the wall is over rated IMO. I had a fish mounted one time. It was on the wall for 10+ years until the divorce. My X threw it in the garbage. I never missed the fish or her.






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Re: SAL Program [Re: Clucky] #4388376 01/21/10 02:29 AM
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I say take one look at the Texas Top 50 biggest bass list and see how many of them were caught after the programs start in 1986! That should tell you all you need to know!

I know some will say that it has more to do with the Florida genetics more than the program, but guess who is responsible for those Florida genetics and also the breeding of those superior genetics!

I say SAL is a great program and the record book speaks for its self!

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well apparently I mispoke. I did some research and Hydrilla Lakes' fishery collapsed and re-opened 4 years later. FWC claims it collapsed because TILAPIA over-ran the lake! Interesting point there I think... Also it is no longer a special opportunity/lottery just $50.00 a day per angler...Hydrilla Lake is on Tenoroc fish management area outside of Lakeland Florida, for those that want to look it up. FYI the best fishing in Florida is in Private Pits, if you go find some and hit them, that is where the big girls are;) Just a tip for that next vacation to Disney World..


Just my opinion but I think SAL is a great program and that if I was going to do something to improve texas fishing it would be the introduction of forage species along with stockings, I would love to see the Golden Shiner in Texas, maybe it is but I haven't seen it and they are really hard to miss. Also control the Tilapia they feed on hatchlings, plants and other things, and most importantly if you see a comorant there should be a law to shoot them on site.. I have seen them destroy lakes and cause e-coli outbreaks due to their spoils. My $0.02 there is a lot of areas that could be focused on and an attempt to promote superior genes through selective breeding would not appear on my top 10 list of things to change..

Re: SAL Program [Re: Clucky] #4388574 01/21/10 03:13 AM
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when it comes to SAL this board gets flooded with ignorance. to many wanna be ichthyologists on here. btw, not bashin to whoever said floridas are more aggressive than naitive, but thats wrong. just proving a point. i have spent a decade working with SAL and a couple decades not. i support it knowing the truth about all the BS. the south anglers hate it because so many did not survive but are now realizing the demise was from their own care in hot livewells and not the fault of tpwd. what are they going to do with a dying fish? there is no magic chemical... theres a few that have stepped up on this forum to educate the ignorant but some dont want to learn and see or appreciate the bigger picture... just my 2 cents.

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Fisherman have the choice.
This is not a 'law' to donate the fish.
How can the removal of 'one' big female on Lake Fork,
impact this impoundment? Amistad/Falcon lose more
sharelunkers every week with gill nets than we do here .
What is the 'downside' of the Sharelunker program?
Honestly, I'm ignorant but would like to know.





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one thing ill add about a 14 pounder being donated. her genetics are fully back in the lake she came from tenfold and only has 1 or a few spawns, if any, left in her, its like a 14 year old dog...

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