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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: Used2fish]
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11/12/24 06:31 PM
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Mike Zachary
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Half the elites could leave and come January they’ll have a full field and fans at the weigh in. That’s already proven to be true. Heck 2 of the anglers that qualified for the bpt opted out and are running the opens next year.
Reality is they both suck and tournament fishing is going down hill fast for several reasons. Their is no real money and as long as it’s saturated their won’t be any real money.
But in the end Emorydog and jones have been butt hurt and wrong on BASS MLF since the split. I consider them both friends. But they’re still wrong. That's how several got in BASS during the MLF split. BASS needed spot fillers.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: emorydog]
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11/12/24 06:51 PM
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BMCD
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Agree on the spot fillers, i think leaving BASS is not a smart move for most. think about top tier anglers we never hear about on the MLF anymore. This maybe a bad decision by BASS, but time will judge.... and next year maybe they adjust. I would not leave if i was there, and if i could get sponsors to help with costs for the year.
And ill remind everyone getting bass fishing to this level the anglers want has been worked on for a long time. BASS Has tried many different things to get viewership up, and well before the Andersons.
Last edited by BMCD; 11/13/24 12:19 PM.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: emorydog]
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11/12/24 07:38 PM
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GeoFisher
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The Anderson's knew the rules before they bought BASS. It's a fickle industry at best, but I do admire them for trying new things and being as innovative as possible. Propose this business model to any half smart business savvy person and they would probably laugh at you.
The anglers know the rules before the season starts. If ya don't like em, go somewhere else (oh wait, slim choices here!). It is a very self serving industry. Compared to other industries/companies, no one else other than participants benefit a whole lot. Nothing is really produced other than some average to below avg. TV footage at best.
If I am angler, I want to know details on the Fox Deal? Do they know what BASS knows? Is BASS being fully transparent? NFL, NBA, Baseball, Golf players know what the TV deal is through their unions. Problem is that BASS anglers have no loyalty for each other, much less a "union" to rally around (Again, self serving) The only way to get the payouts to where they feel like "professionals" is to get their share of that TV pie with collective bargaining. That cannot be done as individuals!! They can complain all they want, but until the GROUP does something as a whole, nothing will change. BASS's defense mechanism for this is simply, "go somewhere else, we will gladly find more just like you or better".
I have a hunch that pie is bigger than they think! Think about it. Fox re-upped with BASS. How often do "re-ups" go down in dollars? NEVER! It s always higher. BASS gets this new $$$$ and 2 months later, BASS says "No entry fees AND were gonna chip in a quarter mil extra for payouts to make up for 4-4.5 million we will lose from entry fees". So just how much is the deal for? Chase the $$$ and you will find answers.
Last edited by GeoFisher; 11/12/24 07:40 PM.
Everything on your bass boat is broken......You just don't know it yet.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: GeoFisher]
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11/12/24 09:22 PM
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TxBazzn
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The Anderson's knew the rules before they bought BASS. It's a fickle industry at best, but I do admire them for trying new things and being as innovative as possible. Propose this business model to any half smart business savvy person and they would probably laugh at you.
The anglers know the rules before the season starts. If ya don't like em, go somewhere else (oh wait, slim choices here!). It is a very self serving industry. Compared to other industries/companies, no one else other than participants benefit a whole lot. Nothing is really produced other than some average to below avg. TV footage at best.
If I am angler, I want to know details on the Fox Deal? Do they know what BASS knows? Is BASS being fully transparent? NFL, NBA, Baseball, Golf players know what the TV deal is through their unions. Problem is that BASS anglers have no loyalty for each other, much less a "union" to rally around (Again, self serving) The only way to get the payouts to where they feel like "professionals" is to get their share of that TV pie with collective bargaining. That cannot be done as individuals!! They can complain all they want, but until the GROUP does something as a whole, nothing will change. BASS's defense mechanism for this is simply, "go somewhere else, we will gladly find more just like you or better".
I have a hunch that pie is bigger than they think! Think about it. Fox re-upped with BASS. How often do "re-ups" go down in dollars? NEVER! It s always higher. BASS gets this new $$$$ and 2 months later, BASS says "No entry fees AND were gonna chip in a quarter mil extra for payouts to make up for 4-4.5 million we will lose from entry fees". So just how much is the deal for? Chase the $$$ and you will find answers. Are we certain FS1 is paying them anything? If I was FS1, I would've made them pay for their airtime last year. This year, due to the numbers they got, maybe they get the same airtime for free. I couldn't see FS1 paying too much besides for the Classic.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: GeoFisher]
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11/13/24 02:01 PM
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grandbassslayer
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The Anderson's knew the rules before they bought BASS. It's a fickle industry at best, but I do admire them for trying new things and being as innovative as possible. Propose this business model to any half smart business savvy person and they would probably laugh at you.
The anglers know the rules before the season starts. If ya don't like em, go somewhere else (oh wait, slim choices here!). It is a very self serving industry. Compared to other industries/companies, no one else other than participants benefit a whole lot. Nothing is really produced other than some average to below avg. TV footage at best.
If I am angler, I want to know details on the Fox Deal? Do they know what BASS knows? Is BASS being fully transparent? NFL, NBA, Baseball, Golf players know what the TV deal is through their unions. Problem is that BASS anglers have no loyalty for each other, much less a "union" to rally around (Again, self serving) The only way to get the payouts to where they feel like "professionals" is to get their share of that TV pie with collective bargaining. That cannot be done as individuals!! They can complain all they want, but until the GROUP does something as a whole, nothing will change. BASS's defense mechanism for this is simply, "go somewhere else, we will gladly find more just like you or better".
I have a hunch that pie is bigger than they think! Think about it. Fox re-upped with BASS. How often do "re-ups" go down in dollars? NEVER! It s always higher. BASS gets this new $$$$ and 2 months later, BASS says "No entry fees AND were gonna chip in a quarter mil extra for payouts to make up for 4-4.5 million we will lose from entry fees". So just how much is the deal for? Chase the $$$ and you will find answers. You lost any sane person when you compare the media deals to stick and ball sports. Until fishing is marketable as entertainment to paying consumers it won’t compare. In the NFL Patrick Mahomes isn’t the customer, the 85000 fanatics that plopped down 300 a pop for a crummy ticket and another hundo for crappy beer and nachos are. In BASS the customer base is the Elite anglers
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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11/13/24 03:08 PM
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GeoFisher
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The Anderson's knew the rules before they bought BASS. It's a fickle industry at best, but I do admire them for trying new things and being as innovative as possible. Propose this business model to any half smart business savvy person and they would probably laugh at you.
The anglers know the rules before the season starts. If ya don't like em, go somewhere else (oh wait, slim choices here!). It is a very self serving industry. Compared to other industries/companies, no one else other than participants benefit a whole lot. Nothing is really produced other than some average to below avg. TV footage at best.
If I am angler, I want to know details on the Fox Deal? Do they know what BASS knows? Is BASS being fully transparent? NFL, NBA, Baseball, Golf players know what the TV deal is through their unions. Problem is that BASS anglers have no loyalty for each other, much less a "union" to rally around (Again, self serving) The only way to get the payouts to where they feel like "professionals" is to get their share of that TV pie with collective bargaining. That cannot be done as individuals!! They can complain all they want, but until the GROUP does something as a whole, nothing will change. BASS's defense mechanism for this is simply, "go somewhere else, we will gladly find more just like you or better".
I have a hunch that pie is bigger than they think! Think about it. Fox re-upped with BASS. How often do "re-ups" go down in dollars? NEVER! It s always higher. BASS gets this new $$$$ and 2 months later, BASS says "No entry fees AND were gonna chip in a quarter mil extra for payouts to make up for 4-4.5 million we will lose from entry fees". So just how much is the deal for? Chase the $$$ and you will find answers. You lost any sane person when you compare the media deals to stick and ball sports. Until fishing is marketable as entertainment to paying consumers it won’t compare. In the NFL Patrick Mahomes isn’t the customer, the 85000 fanatics that plopped down 300 a pop for a crummy ticket and another hundo for crappy beer and nachos are. In BASS the customer base is the Elite anglers Please do point to where I compared "stick and ball" sports to BASS. Any "sane" (as you said) person knows this cant be done monetarily. BUT, whether its 3 Bill or 3 Mil, both CAN BE collectively bargained, right? Thats my point. The money dont have to be the same, but the process can.
Everything on your bass boat is broken......You just don't know it yet.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: emorydog]
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11/13/24 09:54 PM
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grandbassslayer
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Oh maybe somewhere in the red circles.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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11/13/24 10:10 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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Oh maybe somewhere in the red circles.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: emorydog]
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11/14/24 04:30 AM
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SC-001
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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11/14/24 12:16 PM
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Phoenix_Ed
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Professional Pickleball has been around for about 10 minutes and it’s already way more popular than professional bass fishing. Facts - Anyone can play. - Everyone can get better and be 'competitive'. - It does not cost $350K annually to be involved. - It feeds other industries. Can you play barefoot though? Or in flip flops?
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: TxBazzn]
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11/14/24 02:05 PM
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Quillback
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BASS will always exist. The anglers can unionize, and BASS will just grab the next batch of aspiring pro's and promote them to star status. There is no shortage of talent in the pipeline. Yep, BASS has them by the short hairs.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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11/14/24 03:20 PM
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GeoFisher
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Oh maybe somewhere in the red circles. LOL..I appreciate your enthusiasm and artwork. That would be "Contrasting" inside those lovely red scribbles!! Comparing/Contrasting..... Yeah, I hated English classes as well!! I was in contrast mode (pointing out the differences), not the similarities (comparing). Semantics? Probably so on a fishing forum, but you get my point. I think we both understand the overall point I was trying to get across.
Everything on your bass boat is broken......You just don't know it yet.
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: TxBazzn]
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11/14/24 03:51 PM
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Dan21XRS
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... After November 10th they may not be ... What I miss???... ... Are we certain FS1 is paying them anything? If I was FS1, I would've made them pay for their airtime last year. This year, due to the numbers they got, maybe they get the same airtime for free. I couldn't see FS1 paying too much besides for the Classic. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's on from what 8a-12p during the spring and summer when there's nothing else on... That's the time they use to show infomercials... I don't think many people on the west coast are dragging their arses outa bed to watch some guy look down at a screen and make a cast every 5 minutes... It's a filler until the real sporting events start... BASS may be getting a few bucks but it isn't mind boggling kinda a money by any stretch... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: SC-001]
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11/14/24 03:55 PM
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Used2fish
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I may or may not have heard BASS was going to do all the weigh ins for the 2025 Elites behind the port-a-lets at the public ramp like they did at the Ray Roberts classic a few years ago. Then the angler just needs to go push a button on stage to project the weight, that will make weigh in smoother.
Also saves some money as really no need anyone on stage to place the bag on the scale, and then a separate individual yell what is likely the most tired personal tag line in all of fishing, gggggggggiant baaaassssss, when someone drags an emaciated 4 pounder across the stage.
Has anyone heard different. Is Slick going to weigh in on this, what does low budget think. Will it be part of the private angler meeting? I’m on pins and needles And even after all that B.A.S.S. is still the big dog in professional bass fishing . After November 10th they may not be It’s November 14th. Any status update?
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Re: Is this the latest BASS change?
[Re: wanta10lbbass]
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11/14/24 08:12 PM
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StreakBreaker�
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I'll bite......
What happens on November 10th? Anyone who believes ANYTHING that "Slick" says needs to pee in a cup.
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