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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: Txduckhunter]
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09/29/22 11:29 PM
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Don Collum
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Im as pro LEO as they come but... dude was shot because he didn't follow directions. Cop handled the entire situation poorly and ended up killing someone. Pro LEO here, and you are correct.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 12:02 AM
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Oldrabbit
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I think it can be said that Jonathan's actions caused this situation to go sideways and ultimately put the cop in the position to use force. It seems to be a common theme in black community to argue with the police, resist, etc. Rolling up on a scene full tilt over a reported scuffle and broken bottle, then trying to handcuff and detain a drunk in the crowd by urself as a junior cop is poor judgement and reeks of Barney Fife.
If it is that important to have a second cop there, then why don't they have 2 cops per car? Yes he could have waited, but what if he did and the person using the broken bottle had killed a person while the cop waited. Then it would have been, the cop shouldn't have waited and that his delay allowed the perp to kill an innocent person. Seems like a loose, loose situation for cops now days.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 12:03 AM
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DI
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Kid was drunk , acted a fool But did not need three rounds to the chest. Terrible decision by all involved but bad shoot.
Last edited by DI; 09/30/22 12:04 AM.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 12:14 AM
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Tsunami_1
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Why didn't someone (fire dept or police) in that 17 minute period load the boy up and rush him to the hospital? Possibly could have changed the outcome.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 12:17 AM
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Flip Flop Fisher
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I didn't watch past the shots..he laid there over 15 minutes? What was the cop doing
Last edited by Flip Flop Fisher; 09/30/22 12:18 AM.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 12:20 AM
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Douglas J
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Inexperienced cop that should have called for back up. The guy seemed impaired and wasn't really causing any problems until the cop escalated the incident.
This is a bad deal and cop got lucky that the prosecutor was sub par.
#MFGA
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: Douglas J]
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09/30/22 12:40 AM
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Sawhorse
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Inexperienced cop that should have called for back up. The guy seemed impaired and wasn't really causing any problems until the cop escalated the incident.
This is a bad deal and cop got lucky that the prosecutor was sub par. My personal policy is to 100% comply with LEO demands, reasonable or unreasonable. I’ve yet to see one of these videos where non-compliance wasn’t some sort of factor.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
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09/30/22 01:15 AM
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Douglas J
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Inexperienced cop that should have called for back up. The guy seemed impaired and wasn't really causing any problems until the cop escalated the incident.
This is a bad deal and cop got lucky that the prosecutor was sub par. My personal policy is to 100% comply with LEO demands, reasonable or unreasonable. I’ve yet to see one of these videos where non-compliance wasn’t some sort of factor. I like you am for the 100% comply with what I am told . But when one doesn't, especially being impaired, the last thing a cop wants to do is try to get too physical without back up. Rookie mistake, IMO. The guy was easy to deal with and it was obvious the cop was not physically capable of detaining him at that point. Should have waited for backup. That escalated the whole incident. I was a first responder for 31 years in Dallas. I worked in the fair park and pleasant grove areas of Dallas for 24 of my 31 years. The roughest and toughest parts of Dallas. Was on many scenes with confrontation between PD and public as well as us and the public. I was even in the same room 5 feet away from a cop who shot another cop because she escalated a situation that did not to be without any back up present. She tried to pull her service revolver and she dropped it and started screaming "he has my gun" and just as the second cop had arrived on the scene and he tried to shoot the guy and shot her in the thigh. We had been there 5 min prior with little to no issues with the guy that she tried to manhandle w/o proper back up. And then when she dropped her gun she did not have control; of the scene or her emotions. She is lucky the other cop did not kill her. So I have been a lot closer than watching videos.
#MFGA
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 01:19 AM
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leethefishking
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Two people did things wrong here that ultimately lead to a death. Your going to see this more and more. We have driven many of the qualified and capable applicants out of the business. Your left with a shallow applicant pool causing guys like this to get the nod when even 2 years ago he would have been a security guard at wal mart. You also have an issue here where they were probably paying this guy less than $40,000 a year. Just how qualified of a cop are you going to get for that.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 01:22 AM
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hard to watch as a current LEO. These situations put targets on our back and puts us further in a hole with public trust. what could he have done is go hands on but he was scared. it should have been a simple trip to the jail for a public intoxication
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
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09/30/22 01:25 AM
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grandbassslayer
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hard to watch as a current LEO. These situations put targets on our back and puts us further in a hole with public trust. what could he have done is go hands on but he was scared. it should have been a simple trip to the jail for a public intoxication That’s what it looked like to me as well.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 01:27 AM
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DI
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Anytime you see a cop with tat sleeves and leather gloves mind your business , he’s looking for a reason to go. I heard this clown offer a weapon to the firefighter on scene, what a tool.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: Douglas J]
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09/30/22 01:29 AM
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Sawhorse
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Inexperienced cop that should have called for back up. The guy seemed impaired and wasn't really causing any problems until the cop escalated the incident.
This is a bad deal and cop got lucky that the prosecutor was sub par. My personal policy is to 100% comply with LEO demands, reasonable or unreasonable. I’ve yet to see one of these videos where non-compliance wasn’t some sort of factor. I like you am for the 100% comply with what I am told . But when one doesn't, especially being impaired, the last thing a cop wants to do is try to get too physical without back up. Rookie mistake, IMO. The guy was easy to deal with and it was obvious the cop was not physically capable of detaining him at that point. Should have waited for backup. That escalated the whole incident. I was a first responder for 31 years in Dallas. I worked in the fair park and pleasant grove areas of Dallas for 24 of my 31 years. The roughest and toughest parts of Dallas. Was on many scenes with confrontation between PD and public as well as us and the public. I was even in the same room 5 feet away from a cop who shot another cop because she escalated a situation that did not to be without any back up present. She tried to pull her service revolver and she dropped it and started screaming "he has my gun" and just as the second cop had arrived on the scene and he tried to shoot the guy and shot her in the thigh. We had been there 5 min prior with little to no issues with the guy that she tried to manhandle w/o proper back up. And then when she dropped her gun she did not have control; of the scene or her emotions. She is lucky the other cop did not kill her. So I have been a lot closer than watching videos.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
[Re: tx_basser]
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09/30/22 01:30 AM
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Allison1
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The police were called supposedly because a woman had been threatened and Jonathan intervened to defend her. To those thinking that its always left looking to go after the police, it was the Texas Rangers that thought the officer had not acted properly.
It could have been handled better. Once the officer determined the perp was going to be locked up the guy made bad decisions that led to his death.
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Re: Have we done this one: Wolfe City Shooting
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09/30/22 02:05 AM
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patriot07
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The jury was not fair cause they had no person of color... Don't understand this. Are white people inherently racist against black people? That's a horribly racist thing to imply. I've been called for jury duty no less than a half dozen times in hunt county, and minorities are always significantly disproportionately not represented. They just don't show up. Black folks make up a large percentage of the county population, but almost none of the percentage that shows up for jury duty. Can't blame the jury if none of his "peers" showed up because they don't trust the system.
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