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Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: otay michael] #14477068 09/14/22 11:34 AM
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I’m gonna guess that the study is more accurate than the following statements were:

“if we just shut down the country for 2 weeks, Covid will go away”.

“If we all wear a face covering in public, we will be protected”.

“The vaccine will get rid of Covid”

“If you get the vaccine, you can’t get Covid”.

“Better and cheaper healthcare for all”.

Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: grout-scout] #14477072 09/14/22 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
I’m gonna guess that the study is more accurate than the following statements were:

“if we just shut down the country for 2 weeks, Covid will go away”.

“If we all wear a face covering in public, we will be protected”.

“The vaccine will get rid of Covid”

“If you get the vaccine, you can’t get Covid”.

“Better and cheaper healthcare for all”.


Let’s not leave out the zombie mantra that the LSLM and Biden Administration monotonously repeated over and over and over again - “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.

Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: Scoundrel] #14477106 09/14/22 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoundrel
Originally Posted by grout-scout
I’m gonna guess that the study is more accurate than the following statements were:

“if we just shut down the country for 2 weeks, Covid will go away”.

“If we all wear a face covering in public, we will be protected”.

“The vaccine will get rid of Covid”

“If you get the vaccine, you can’t get Covid”.

“Better and cheaper healthcare for all”.


Let’s not leave out the zombie mantra that the LSLM and Biden Administration monotonously repeated over and over and over again - “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.




Yes, very much true, it was all of us unvaccinated peoples fault.

And to think, people still believe stuff being spouted by the government. If people would only use their own brains and think a tiny bit.

Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: otay michael] #14477124 09/14/22 01:06 PM
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Here's what the study actually says. For young adults, boosters should not be required. Why? Young adults are at ultra-low risk to COVID to being with. There is a very small 1/25,000 risk of myocarditis (which is actually much lower than the 1/5,000 risk of myocarditis from COVID itself), plus there is also a 1/15 chance they are going to feel crummy for a day after the booster and will have to take an over the counter pain reliever like Advil. So if you are keeping up with the math here, about 99% of the "serious adverse events" they are talking about in the study are "feeling crummy for a day" and needing to take an over-the-counter pain medication.

So what you really have here is a clickbait headline on a study that says vaccines could make you feel crummy for a day and since kids don't really get sick from COVID we shouldn't be requiring them to be vaccinated. I agree, and I'll even take it a step further, there should never be any vaccine mandates for anyone. People should look at their own risk profile and make an individual decision based on guidance from their doctor.


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Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: otay michael] #14477147 09/14/22 01:25 PM
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Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: Pat Goff] #14477150 09/14/22 01:27 PM
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Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: Pat Goff] #14477157 09/14/22 01:30 PM
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Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: otay michael] #14477185 09/14/22 01:49 PM
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No respectable scientist would express the outcome of a study the way stated here. Ninty eight percent of what?

Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: Po Boy] #14477186 09/14/22 01:50 PM
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I don’t know if it is safe or not. All I know is that my wife and I have had all 4 Moderna shots and we have not had Covid.


Same here and probably get the 5th as soon as it is available.


My wife and I have had two shots (Pfizer for me, Moderna for her), one booster each, and recently we both had covid. We are finished taking shots. The virus itself was next to nothing for me. It wasn't even a bad cold.

Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: donothin] #14477264 09/14/22 03:26 PM
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No respectable scientist would express the outcome of a study the way stated here. Ninty eight percent of what?


No respectable human being would wish a recession on Americans because he was intimidated by another man-



BUT YOU DID!

Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: otay michael] #14477291 09/14/22 03:56 PM
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Right when an Omicron specific booster is approved and people are taking it yet another variation come along.... bolt


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Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: donothin] #14477327 09/14/22 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by donothin
No respectable scientist would express the outcome of a study the way stated here. Ninty eight percent of what?



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per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events

It was not 98%. The study said 18-98 times more likely.
Thats 1800-9800% more likely for a college student to have adverse affects if they get the vaccine.

Easy enough to check rather than the way they did it.
A body of students, some get the shots and some don't.
Track the number of each group that have adverse affects.

That would mean that for each student that was not vaccinated and got myocarditis there would be a corresponding 18 to 98 students who had got the vaccine and got myocarditis.

Getting Covid for people in the 19-39 age group makes them 16 times more likely to get reported to VAERS for myocarditis.
Plus those that get the shot do not die from myocarditis or need a heart transplant. 6% of those who don't get the shot do.


Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: otay michael] #14477350 09/14/22 04:53 PM
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I'm amazed, well actually not really that surprised any more, how many people will believe internet rumors and draw conclusions from internet doctors and headlines without reading the actual studies they are quoting.


The far majority of these adverse effects are very minor reactions. I actually felt pretty bad for a day, but it beat a ventilator and a hospital stay.

As already mentioned, the study was on college aged kids, not the best age group to show whether this vaccine is effective or not. But that wasn't the purpose of this study. I do agree with the author's conclusions, its ridiculous to have vaccine mandates for college aged kids. Its actually ridiculous to have any mandates because we all know the vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission. As soon as this was learned on the later variants all mandates became pointless.

For people 40+ years old and especially those with high risk factors, there is no comparison on the risk vs reward.

There have been very few deaths actually linked to the vaccine yet around a million have died from the virus. Yes, I know that number may be slightly inflated, but there still is no comparison. The vaccine saved lives, period.


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Re: Scientists from Harvard & Johns Hopkins Found Vaxx 98 Times Worse Than the Virus [Re: Allison1] #14477352 09/14/22 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison1
Originally Posted by donothin
No respectable scientist would express the outcome of a study the way stated here. Ninty eight percent of what?



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per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events

It was not 98%. The study said 18-98 times more likely.
Thats 1800-9800% more likely for a college student to have adverse affects if they get the vaccine.

Easy enough to check rather than the way they did it.
A body of students, some get the shots and some don't.
Track the number of each group that have adverse affects.

That would mean that for each student that was not vaccinated and got myocarditis there would be a corresponding 18 to 98 students who had got the vaccine and got myocarditis.

Getting Covid for people in the 19-39 age group makes them 16 times more likely to get reported to VAERS for myocarditis.
Plus those that get the shot do not die from myocarditis or need a heart transplant. 6% of those who don't get the shot do.

“do” what in your last sentence?

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Originally Posted by Razorback
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I don’t know if it is safe or not. All I know is that my wife and I have had all 4 Moderna shots and we have not had Covid.


Same here and probably get the 5th as soon as it is available.


My wife and I have had two shots (Pfizer for me, Moderna for her), one booster each, and recently we both had covid. We are finished taking shots. The virus itself was next to nothing for me. It wasn't even a bad cold.



Ever stop and think that maybe it wasn't that severe because you received the vaccine?

I don't know a single vaccinated person that died or had extended hospital stays, but I know dozens of unvaccinated people that either died or had an extensive (an expensive) hospital stay.

The vaccine could have saved your life or saved you some money.

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