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 Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: Ben B]
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09/09/22 01:30 PM
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The irony is that the TPWD private Lake X and their main hatchery lake Athens are full of it.
They know it’s good for water quality and the ecosystem.
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: CCTX]
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09/09/22 02:32 PM
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The irony is that the TPWD private Lake X and their main hatchery lake Athens are full of it.
They know it’s good for water quality and the ecosystem. Yep but the fat checks from HOA's to spray everything in sight are more gooder.
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: wh2004]
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09/09/22 02:52 PM
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Here are some of the lesser-known ones that I am aware of with fishable hydrilla.
Bridgeport, Martin Creek, PK (SOMEWHERE, or so we are told), Brownwood, Ray Hubbard, Athens
Obvious Ones:
Welsh
Davy Crockett
Monticello (good luck getting to it)
Possible hit-or-miss:
Ray Hubbard (yeah, on two lists - it's all about LOCATION)
Fork
Bob Sandlin
AND SO ON...
Never seen It in Bridgeport or PK. If someone knows where it’s at and wants to help a poor soul out please pm me. It was above (or is that below) the bridge. Some in the south marina at one point too. It has, however, been a few years since I fished above/below the bridge, so it could be gone. But it was pretty down there and in those artificial cuts!
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: Ben B]
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09/09/22 02:58 PM
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I'm not that educated on matters like this...but I don't understand how an HOA can legally spray grass - or touch anything really - that is in a public body of water. Or pay for this to be done. We say all the time to dock owners that harass us fishing around their dock "you don't own the water" - so how is it they can do this and not face serious legal consequences?
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: Ben B]
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09/09/22 03:26 PM
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when you spend a ton of money on a lakefront home an spend more money on a nice dock you would not want it to be covered up water weeds the folks wit the investment win this battle.
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: David Burton]
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09/09/22 03:41 PM
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Here are some of the lesser-known ones that I am aware of with fishable hydrilla.
Bridgeport, Martin Creek, PK (SOMEWHERE, or so we are told), Brownwood, Ray Hubbard, Athens
Obvious Ones:
Welsh
Davy Crockett
Monticello (good luck getting to it)
Possible hit-or-miss:
Ray Hubbard (yeah, on two lists - it's all about LOCATION)
Fork
Bob Sandlin
AND SO ON...
Never seen It in Bridgeport or PK. If someone knows where it’s at and wants to help a poor soul out please pm me. It was above (or is that below) the bridge. Some in the south marina at one point too. It has, however, been a few years since I fished above/below the bridge, so it could be gone. But it was pretty down there and in those artificial cuts! Oh yeah, I actually do remember It in the Marina at runaway bay. It’s long gone.
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: Ben B]
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09/09/22 03:44 PM
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I believe they first have to acquire a permit from TPWD to do so.
TPWD’s own literature and resources repeatedly discuss a healthy balance and consistently point to a 30-35% water coverage of hydrilla as ideal in most lakes.
However, the underestimation of grass carp appetite and carpet bombing by outsourced third parties often results in not just near complete loss of hydrilla, but near complete loss of native vegetation (pond weed, Texas wild rice, stargrass, etc). When a lake loses its vegetation, the shoreline soil erosion and degradation of water quality are devastating. What happened to Conroe in the 80s, Purtis Creek in the 90s, and Murvaul in the 2000s were environmental tragedies.
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
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09/09/22 04:20 PM
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when you spend a ton of money on a lakefront home an spend more money on a nice dock you would not want it to be covered up water weeds the folks wit the investment win this battle. I hear what you're saying...but by that logic the fishing community could make the argument that the investments we have made in our equipment - as well as the natural resources that our funds go towards managing - are no different. I realize the price of a lakefront home vs a boat/tackle is drastically different - but if we are talking about rights here, I don't understand how homeowners' rights take priority. But I get what you're saying - money talks. And that's the problem...
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
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09/09/22 04:23 PM
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I believe they first have to acquire a permit from TPWD to do so.
TPWD’s own literature and resources repeatedly discuss a healthy balance and consistently point to a 30-35% water coverage of hydrilla as ideal in most lakes.
However, the underestimation of grass carp appetite and carpet bombing by outsourced third parties often results in not just near complete loss of hydrilla, but near complete loss of native vegetation (pond weed, Texas wild rice, stargrass, etc). When a lake loses its vegetation, the shoreline soil erosion and degradation of water quality are devastating. What happened to Conroe in the 80s, Purtis Creek in the 90s, and Murvaul in the 2000s were environmental tragedies. If the TPWD is handing out permits for the express purpose of removing native vegetation from our lakes...I can't think of a more antithetical action an organization could do. It's like a prison handing out permits to allow crimes to be committed. The irony...
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: Ben B]
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09/09/22 04:37 PM
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![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2022/09/full-76913-152675-full_76913_151529_edited_edited_02431.jpg) They cut it instead of poisoning it up north on the Mississippi... saw this guy cutting a swath to main boat channel. Seems like the way to make everyone happy unless the cost is prohibitive. Does anyone do that around here? Cost? Downside?
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: Ben B]
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09/09/22 04:39 PM
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I believe they first have to acquire a permit from TPWD to do so.
TPWD’s own literature and resources repeatedly discuss a healthy balance and consistently point to a 30-35% water coverage of hydrilla as ideal in most lakes.
However, the underestimation of grass carp appetite and carpet bombing by outsourced third parties often results in not just near complete loss of hydrilla, but near complete loss of native vegetation (pond weed, Texas wild rice, stargrass, etc). When a lake loses its vegetation, the shoreline soil erosion and degradation of water quality are devastating. What happened to Conroe in the 80s, Purtis Creek in the 90s, and Murvaul in the 2000s were environmental tragedies. If the TPWD is handing out permits for the express purpose of removing native vegetation from our lakes...I can't think of a more antithetical action an organization could do. It's like a prison handing out permits to allow crimes to be committed. The irony... They're not "handing out permits for the express purpose of removing native vegetation" . The extinguishment of native vegetation is a by-product of the eradication of the invasive, non-native hydrilla. It is collateral damage from a bad educated guess on grass carp stocking and/or spraying. Sucks, but that is the way it works.
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: Walls]
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09/09/22 04:42 PM
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I believe they first have to acquire a permit from TPWD to do so.
TPWD’s own literature and resources repeatedly discuss a healthy balance and consistently point to a 30-35% water coverage of hydrilla as ideal in most lakes.
However, the underestimation of grass carp appetite and carpet bombing by outsourced third parties often results in not just near complete loss of hydrilla, but near complete loss of native vegetation (pond weed, Texas wild rice, stargrass, etc). When a lake loses its vegetation, the shoreline soil erosion and degradation of water quality are devastating. What happened to Conroe in the 80s, Purtis Creek in the 90s, and Murvaul in the 2000s were environmental tragedies. If the TPWD is handing out permits for the express purpose of removing native vegetation from our lakes...I can't think of a more antithetical action an organization could do. It's like a prison handing out permits to allow crimes to be committed. The irony... They're not "handing out permits for the express purpose of removing native vegetation" . The extinguishment of native vegetation is a by-product of the eradication of the invasive, non-native hydrilla. It is collateral damage from a bad educated guess on grass carp stocking and/or spraying. Sucks, but that is the way it works. I believe it...
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: lconn4]
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09/09/22 04:49 PM
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They cut it instead of poisoning it up north on the Mississippi... saw this guy cutting a swath to main boat channel. Seems like the way to make everyone happy unless the cost is prohibitive. Does anyone do that around here? Cost? Downside? That is what they used to use quite a few years ago on Bastrop. Piled up the cut stuff on shore. Stunk. Now, they spray. Thankfully, Austin looks like it may have some grass growing in places.
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: barryfish]
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09/09/22 07:27 PM
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David Burton
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Ray Hubbard? Lol I think alot of people get coontail and milfoil confused with hydrilla Yes they do. Some call all submerged veg Hydrilla as well. There was some mixed in, but you're right most of the submerged is coontail up the river!
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Re: Hydrilla lakes
[Re: coachallentca]
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09/10/22 01:37 AM
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Lost creek
Hubbard creek
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Not in Hubbard Creek TPW took care of that. is there still some in hubbard creek.. You just have to find it. Not sure the last time you were there. It is still disappearing and the places that had quite a bit in July now have very little. The spot that had the most on the lake then about all gone. I guess whatever they sprayed keeps working for a long time.
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