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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Spiderman] #14377450 05/26/22 12:30 PM
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30 years ago 18 was an adult , expected to find their way in the world responsibly and productively.



This kid is a product of today’s parent that literally does zero to nurture and develop and when as a teen they are “troubled” they blame the authorities vs looking at a mirror.

That is the epidemic of the USA

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Bigbob_FTW] #14377455 05/26/22 12:34 PM
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Raise the age to 21 to buy any semi-automatic weapon, and make an exception for anyone in law enforcement or the military to buy them at 18.


Too broad. Many hunting rifles and shotguns are semi automatic. No one uses them in mass shootings. Heck, a ruger 10/22 is one of the most popular youth rifle. Never seen one used in a mass shooting.


I don't agree with John on much, but as he pointed out, nobody is saying a kid can't hunt, they are saying that kid can't buy that gun. An adult would have to buy it and then either be with them or be criminally responsible for its use.


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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Spiderman] #14377458 05/26/22 12:36 PM
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Has where he bought the guns been published?

Was it Walmart or Academy or a pawn shop , curious is all not sure it bares any direction

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Jpurdue] #14377459 05/26/22 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
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Raise the age to 21 to buy any semi-automatic weapon, and make an exception for anyone in law enforcement or the military to buy them at 18.


Too broad. Many hunting rifles and shotguns are semi automatic. No one uses them in mass shootings. Heck, a ruger 10/22 is one of the most popular youth rifle. Never seen one used in a mass shooting.


I don't agree with John on much, but as he pointed out, nobody is saying a kid can't hunt, they are saying that kid can't buy that gun. An adult would have to buy it and then either be with them or be criminally responsible for its use.


Below 18 I'm good with that, but not past.


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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Spiderman] #14377467 05/26/22 12:48 PM
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Lack a parental leadership and supervision.

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Tiltman] #14377471 05/26/22 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltman
Has where he bought the guns been published?

Was it Walmart or Academy or a pawn shop , curious is all not sure it bares any direction


Just saw on TV it was at the Oasis

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Spiderman] #14377475 05/26/22 12:53 PM
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There are 13 year old criminals running around with firearms. If someone wants to raise hell, they will raise hell regardless of laws.


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not a single suggestion about fortifying schools, that has been mentioned here, would have stopped this dude.

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Spiderman] #14377490 05/26/22 01:10 PM
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I don’t understand how restriction of age or restrictions of assault weapons will help at all.
If someone is capable of this, they are going to find a way to get the weapons they want somehow no matter the restrictions.
Kinda like he said in The Big Lebowski. “ it’s LA dude, you want a toe, I can get you a toe in 30 minutes. You want it painted, I can get one that’s painted”

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Spiderman] #14377502 05/26/22 01:22 PM
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I just looked at the detailed data on K-12 school shootings over the last 30 years. 85% of cases the shooters were under the age of 21. In 100% of cases, the guns were either swiped from friends/family or legally purchased. (Zero cases of these guns coming from the black market or being stolen from strangers). 100% of the weapons used were semiautomatic.

So on paper raising the purchase age to 21 and making parents criminally liable for unsecured guns would go a LONG way to stop K-12 school shootings.


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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: 8th1] #14377503 05/26/22 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 8th1
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Has where he bought the guns been published?

Was it Walmart or Academy or a pawn shop , curious is all not sure it bares any direction


Just saw on TV it was at the Oasis
I was curious about that. Really cool store but this will definitely be the end of it. Don’t know how they could weather the storm fixing to come their way.

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: butch sanders] #14377504 05/26/22 01:26 PM
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not a single suggestion about fortifying schools, that has been mentioned here, would have stopped this dude.



It's been mentioned multiple times on other threads

Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Jpurdue] #14377505 05/26/22 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
I just looked at the detailed data on K-12 school shootings over the last 30 years. 85% of cases the shooters were under the age of 21. In 100% of cases, the guns were either swiped from friends/family or legally purchased. (Zero cases of these guns coming from the black market or being stolen from strangers). 100% of the weapons used were semiautomatic.

So on paper raising the purchase age to 21 and making parents criminally liable for unsecured guns would go a LONG way to stop K-12 school shootings.


So what parent gets prosecuted if they use a stolen gun from an unknown source? The ONLY one responsible is the shooter period. Quit blaming everyone else.


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I don’t understand how restriction of age or restrictions of assault weapons will help at all.
If someone is capable of this, they are going to find a way to get the weapons they want somehow no matter the restrictions.
Kinda like he said in The Big Lebowski. “ it’s LA dude, you want a toe, I can get you a toe in 30 minutes. You want it painted, I can get one that’s painted”


Because these are not hardened criminals living in the streets of detroit. These are lazy 15-20 year old males mostly who live in their parents basement playing call of duty, watching internet porn, and complaining on reddit about being Incels. This latest kid didn't even have the motivation to learn how to drive at 18. The smallest of obstacles and this kid would have gone back to his basement and maybe done us all a favor and hung himself.

I agree with 100% though, for most gun violence (outside of school shootings), age limits do very little.


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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts [Re: Spiderman] #14377507 05/26/22 01:29 PM
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Around 70M kids younger than 17 as of 2020.
https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp

Around 6M kids younger than 17 taking psychiatric drugs
https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/people-taking-psychiatric-drugs/

~9% of todays kids are on psychiatric drugs? If these numbers are true, it sure explains a lot.

This is a good start down the road of solving a lot of the problems we're seeing today.


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