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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:30 PM
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Tiltman
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30 years ago 18 was an adult , expected to find their way in the world responsibly and productively.
This kid is a product of today’s parent that literally does zero to nurture and develop and when as a teen they are “troubled” they blame the authorities vs looking at a mirror.
That is the epidemic of the USA
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:34 PM
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Jpurdue
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Raise the age to 21 to buy any semi-automatic weapon, and make an exception for anyone in law enforcement or the military to buy them at 18. Too broad. Many hunting rifles and shotguns are semi automatic. No one uses them in mass shootings. Heck, a ruger 10/22 is one of the most popular youth rifle. Never seen one used in a mass shooting. I don't agree with John on much, but as he pointed out, nobody is saying a kid can't hunt, they are saying that kid can't buy that gun. An adult would have to buy it and then either be with them or be criminally responsible for its use.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:36 PM
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Tiltman
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Has where he bought the guns been published?
Was it Walmart or Academy or a pawn shop , curious is all not sure it bares any direction
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:37 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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Raise the age to 21 to buy any semi-automatic weapon, and make an exception for anyone in law enforcement or the military to buy them at 18. Too broad. Many hunting rifles and shotguns are semi automatic. No one uses them in mass shootings. Heck, a ruger 10/22 is one of the most popular youth rifle. Never seen one used in a mass shooting. I don't agree with John on much, but as he pointed out, nobody is saying a kid can't hunt, they are saying that kid can't buy that gun. An adult would have to buy it and then either be with them or be criminally responsible for its use. Below 18 I'm good with that, but not past.
FJB
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:48 PM
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DDM
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Lack a parental leadership and supervision.
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:51 PM
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8th1
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Has where he bought the guns been published?
Was it Walmart or Academy or a pawn shop , curious is all not sure it bares any direction Just saw on TV it was at the Oasis
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:53 PM
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chickenman
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There are 13 year old criminals running around with firearms. If someone wants to raise hell, they will raise hell regardless of laws.
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 12:58 PM
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butch sanders
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not a single suggestion about fortifying schools, that has been mentioned here, would have stopped this dude.
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 01:10 PM
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The Searchers
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I don’t understand how restriction of age or restrictions of assault weapons will help at all. If someone is capable of this, they are going to find a way to get the weapons they want somehow no matter the restrictions. Kinda like he said in The Big Lebowski. “ it’s LA dude, you want a toe, I can get you a toe in 30 minutes. You want it painted, I can get one that’s painted”
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 01:22 PM
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Jpurdue
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I just looked at the detailed data on K-12 school shootings over the last 30 years. 85% of cases the shooters were under the age of 21. In 100% of cases, the guns were either swiped from friends/family or legally purchased. (Zero cases of these guns coming from the black market or being stolen from strangers). 100% of the weapons used were semiautomatic.
So on paper raising the purchase age to 21 and making parents criminally liable for unsecured guns would go a LONG way to stop K-12 school shootings.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 01:23 PM
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leethefishking
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Has where he bought the guns been published?
Was it Walmart or Academy or a pawn shop , curious is all not sure it bares any direction Just saw on TV it was at the Oasis I was curious about that. Really cool store but this will definitely be the end of it. Don’t know how they could weather the storm fixing to come their way.
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 01:26 PM
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Tiltman
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not a single suggestion about fortifying schools, that has been mentioned here, would have stopped this dude. It's been mentioned multiple times on other threads
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
[Re: Jpurdue]
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05/26/22 01:27 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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I just looked at the detailed data on K-12 school shootings over the last 30 years. 85% of cases the shooters were under the age of 21. In 100% of cases, the guns were either swiped from friends/family or legally purchased. (Zero cases of these guns coming from the black market or being stolen from strangers). 100% of the weapons used were semiautomatic.
So on paper raising the purchase age to 21 and making parents criminally liable for unsecured guns would go a LONG way to stop K-12 school shootings. So what parent gets prosecuted if they use a stolen gun from an unknown source? The ONLY one responsible is the shooter period. Quit blaming everyone else.
FJB
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Re: Uvalde Shooter - The Facts
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05/26/22 01:28 PM
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Jpurdue
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I don’t understand how restriction of age or restrictions of assault weapons will help at all. If someone is capable of this, they are going to find a way to get the weapons they want somehow no matter the restrictions. Kinda like he said in The Big Lebowski. “ it’s LA dude, you want a toe, I can get you a toe in 30 minutes. You want it painted, I can get one that’s painted” Because these are not hardened criminals living in the streets of detroit. These are lazy 15-20 year old males mostly who live in their parents basement playing call of duty, watching internet porn, and complaining on reddit about being Incels. This latest kid didn't even have the motivation to learn how to drive at 18. The smallest of obstacles and this kid would have gone back to his basement and maybe done us all a favor and hung himself. I agree with 100% though, for most gun violence (outside of school shootings), age limits do very little.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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