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Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: WAWI] #14374904 05/23/22 05:01 PM
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I failed to read it all. LOL
I should have just said NO and left
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Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: WAWI] #14374906 05/23/22 05:05 PM
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Did anyone else see an angler convince the official that the fish wasn't an 8-4 but in fact was an 8-5?

Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: BCBassCat] #14374910 05/23/22 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BCBassCat
Did anyone else see an angler convince the official that the fish wasn't an 8-4 but in fact was an 8-5?


That never happe.....wait can we weigh in again?

Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: WAWI] #14374913 05/23/22 05:14 PM
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Why would a second scale be needed? The big trails hardly ever do numbered takeoffs these days, and with trailering the long lines seem to have been all but eliminated. Especially for the folks that do flighted trailering times. That’s been great, but the tournaments sure don’t feel the same as a numbered take off.




Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: WAWI] #14374915 05/23/22 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by WAWI
So the mlf and elites can award big money based on 50, 60, 80 different scales but for peanuts you have to use 1..... makes absolutely no sense



Do I need a CPA to help me with winning peanuts?


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Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: WAWI] #14374916 05/23/22 05:19 PM
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I think 1 scale is good enough as long as they have been calibrated each morning to make sure they are reading correct.
Now as far as cheating and having some sort of safeguard, they do have that in place as when you sign the application to enter the league it states you are available to have a polygraph test upon request. This is pretty much every league even down to the larger local bass clubs.
Cheating will always happen no matter if it is for $1 or $1,000 or more. Nobody can really prevent that.


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Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: Outdoordude] #14374948 05/23/22 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Outdoordude
While I agree it's totally practical to have more than one machine weighing fish at some of these mega-events I think the directors would take an absolute beating from folks who would argue the machines or the scale operators aren't consistent.

This, 100%, would be the issue.


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Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: rj74955] #14374949 05/23/22 05:54 PM
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I like the idea of an MLF style of catch, weigh, and release at all levels of tournament fishing, but I think you'd have to put some sort of safeguards in place to ensure that a marshal and a contestant don't decide to fatten the weights either physically or electronically and spit the winnings they collect afterwards. Unfortunately, there are people out there that would do this and not even blink, even though a huge majority of us wouldn't. Big money unfortunately attracts greed and evil. Polygraph?

Wth are you talking about?
The idea of going to weighing and releasing fish overall and what may come with it. I like the idea. I should have added I like the idea of more scales at the current weigh ins. I kind of side tracked myself on the way to where I was headed. My bad.........


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Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: BCBassCat] #14374959 05/23/22 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BCBassCat
Did anyone else see an angler convince the official that the fish wasn't an 8-4 but in fact was an 8-5?


Saw a few instances of that.

Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: buda13] #14374980 05/23/22 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by buda13
Why would a second scale be needed? The big trails hardly ever do numbered takeoffs these days, and with trailering the long lines seem to have been all but eliminated. Especially for the folks that do flighted trailering times. That’s been great, but the tournaments sure don’t feel the same as a numbered take off.



He’s talking about the big high school tourneys people were gripping About.

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This post goes to show you how many people either A) Can't read and infer, or B) want to just post stuff to pad their count. I agree with the OP, if a trail like BASS or MLF, who pay out thousands of dollars, can use 80 different hand scales to determine a winner, a HS trail that gives out a few thousand dollars in scholarships should be able to implement a second scale to open up a second line in order to speed up the process with the fields being as large as they are.


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With the arguments and protests over the weights I have seen (even at the club level), I can't imagine the headaches of dealing with parents whose kid just got beat by .01 lb from a different scale. The other issue you would have is you don't just have to have two sets of scales. You also have to have twice the amount of tanks, air bubblers, bump men, EZ ups, bags, water treatment, and check in stations. I guess you would need a second weigh in trailer to carry all of this and to have a second weigh in stage. the tournament would then have to employ at least two more people to pull the trailer and set things up. So you would be looking at about $70,000 more dollars to be able to have a second weigh in trailer, equipment, and staff the first year you did this.

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Originally Posted by J.H.S.
This post goes to show you how many people either A) Can't read and infer, or B) want to just post stuff to pad their count. I agree with the OP, if a trail like BASS or MLF, who pay out thousands of dollars, can use 80 different hand scales to determine a winner, a HS trail that gives out a few thousand dollars in scholarships should be able to implement a second scale to open up a second line in order to speed up the process with the fields being as large as they are.


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Re: The elite deal got me thinking [Re: SteezMacQueen] #14375235 05/24/22 01:01 AM
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While I agree it's totally practical to have more than one machine weighing fish at some of these mega-events I think the directors would take an absolute beating from folks who would argue the machines or the scale operators aren't consistent.

This, 100%, would be the issue.


Like there isn’t any inconsistency when they use one scale….lol. Water in bags? Weigh the same bag several times you will get different weights in at least the hundreds place. A lock algorithm in a scale just determines which most common weight to select if the fish are moving at all. Appearance is better.

Weigh in lines need to be shorter during the warm months. Two certified scales that weigh static weights the same. Random draw to determine which line a angler goes through.

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