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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: mossyback75] #14285811 02/15/22 03:02 PM
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Here’s a nicely put together chart I found on the Powerhouse Lithium website.

https://powerhouselithium.com/pages...hart?_pos=1&_sid=34e18a363&_ss=r

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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: emorydog] #14285812 02/15/22 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by emorydog
Some are using 18v and 20v dewalt and Milwaukee tool batteries with the Seelite adaptor. Voltage always above 12v so no voltage error, and the small battery(s) can be stored in the rod box right next to the unit so no long wires to mess with. From my understanding the max voltage on many of these range up to 28v. It’s a hack and appears to work. I know a couple of people running it with no issues.


That is what I have done and it works great. I run the black box with these batteries and run the graph to my dual purpose cranker. The hack works great. I have 2 of the knock off brand dewalt 20's from Amazon and they last about 5-6 hours each. When 1 runs out I plug in the other. They take about an hour to recharge so on multiple day trips they both charge easily the night before. I believe the graph will not take over 20v or it will fry but you will want to check that with Garmin.


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Originally Posted by emorydog
Some are using 18v and 20v dewalt and Milwaukee tool batteries with the Seelite adaptor. Voltage always above 12v so no voltage error, and the small battery(s) can be stored in the rod box right next to the unit so no long wires to mess with. From my understanding the max voltage on many of these range up to 28v. It’s a hack and appears to work. I know a couple of people running it with no issues.


I run a 20v dewalt with a seelite for my livescope. Have an extra battery if needed. I set it up in my rod box and is out of the way for the most part. It works great with no issues. Plenty of youtube videos on this set up.

Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: SteezMacQueen] #14285848 02/15/22 03:35 PM
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I don’t believe it is more volts, or amps for that matter. But in the way of resistance, I was told to run dedicated heavy gauge wire for the LS and head unit. While they don’t warrant excessively larger wire with the amp draw, ensuring there is not excessive resistance is key.

Inversely don’t go too large or you can get voltage drop. Think of wire as a hose, and too little hose restricts volume, but too large hose lowers intensity (pressure)


You lost me on the water hose analogy. How is it that a car, using a VERY thick chassis as its ground, gets around this crazy hypothesis of yours?


Just like a house uses a very large and thick planet as its ground.... I dunno it is simple Ohm's law. For the sake of Kyler Murray's car I hope you have a firm grasp of this most basic of electrical principals.
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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: SteezMacQueen] #14285853 02/15/22 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
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I don’t believe it is more volts, or amps for that matter. But in the way of resistance, I was told to run dedicated heavy gauge wire for the LS and head unit. While they don’t warrant excessively larger wire with the amp draw, ensuring there is not excessive resistance is key.

Inversely don’t go too large or you can get voltage drop. Think of wire as a hose, and too little hose restricts volume, but too large hose lowers intensity (pressure)


You lost me on the water hose analogy. How is it that a car, using a VERY thick chassis as its ground, gets around this crazy hypothesis of yours?


Here is some casual reading that illustrates this comparison.


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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: mossyback75] #14286038 02/15/22 07:09 PM
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Thanks for everyones feed back. Got a Panoptix set up ordered. Now just gotta figure out how to mount it to my Terrova.

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Originally Posted by Jons3825
Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
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I don’t believe it is more volts, or amps for that matter. But in the way of resistance, I was told to run dedicated heavy gauge wire for the LS and head unit. While they don’t warrant excessively larger wire with the amp draw, ensuring there is not excessive resistance is key.

Inversely don’t go too large or you can get voltage drop. Think of wire as a hose, and too little hose restricts volume, but too large hose lowers intensity (pressure)


You lost me on the water hose analogy. How is it that a car, using a VERY thick chassis as its ground, gets around this crazy hypothesis of yours?


Just like a house uses a very large and thick planet as its ground.... I dunno it is simple Ohm's law. For the sake of Kyler Murray's car I hope you have a firm grasp of this most basic of electrical principals.
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I do. Thanks. You don’t. But that’s ok. It’s not your job to know. Haha


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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: Jons3825] #14286227 02/15/22 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jons3825
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I don’t believe it is more volts, or amps for that matter. But in the way of resistance, I was told to run dedicated heavy gauge wire for the LS and head unit. While they don’t warrant excessively larger wire with the amp draw, ensuring there is not excessive resistance is key.

Inversely don’t go too large or you can get voltage drop. Think of wire as a hose, and too little hose restricts volume, but too large hose lowers intensity (pressure)


You lost me on the water hose analogy. How is it that a car, using a VERY thick chassis as its ground, gets around this crazy hypothesis of yours?


Just like a house uses a very large and thick planet as its ground.... I dunno it is simple Ohm's law. For the sake of Kyler Murray's car I hope you have a firm grasp of this most basic of electrical principals.
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Houses use ground. Boats use DC. Haha. Ground in a DC system is not quite the same as ground in a AC system. Since EVERYONE knows that power flows from negative to positive in a DC system.

The Ohms law chart you posted directly negates your water hose analogy. You do understand that…right?



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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: mossyback75] #14286350 02/16/22 01:19 AM
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Ok buddy, you keep thinking that. I guess too huffing the glue has gotten to your brain. Hey, to save weight why don’t you run all your wires in 26-30ga? Or is there a reason you bragged about the number and sizes of wire you ran when showing off your work?

Let me guess… you had to run the size of wire to handle the current…. Because smaller wire couldn’t handle the load…. Aka flow. Just like a dang ole garden hose on a fire hydrant?

Now that I’ve proven my example as valid and shown you up…. There will be another attack in attempt to make me look like I’m wrong or a fool…. It’s ok, your opinion of me doesn’t matter, but can you pretty please show me the separate “Ohm’s Law” for DC formula wheel? Only someone as smart as you can find separate laws of electrify than the rest of the world.


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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: mossyback75] #14286356 02/16/22 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mossyback75
Thanks for everyones feed back. Got a Panoptix set up ordered. Now just gotta figure out how to mount it to my Terrova.




Barrel mount and this below, if you don’t want to spend the $$$, you can make something yourself. https://www.precisionsonar.com/products/accessories/cable-guards/cg-terr

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Originally Posted by Jons3825
Ok buddy, you keep thinking that. I guess too huffing the glue has gotten to your brain. Hey, to save weight why don’t you run all your wires in 26-30ga? Or is there a reason you bragged about the number and sizes of wire you ran when showing off your work?

Let me guess… you had to run the size of wire to handle the current…. Because smaller wire couldn’t handle the load…. Aka flow. Just like a dang ole garden hose on a fire hydrant?

Now that I’ve proven my example as valid and shown you up…. There will be another attack in attempt to make me look like I’m wrong or a fool…. It’s ok, your opinion of me doesn’t matter, but can you pretty please show me the separate “Ohm’s Law” for DC formula wheel? Only someone as smart as you can find separate laws of electrify than the rest of the world.

No attack. No opinion of you either. You are wrong(not an opinion). You proved your misunderstanding of current flow with the pie chart and the water hose comment.

I’ll leave you with one question, if you can speed up water in a water hose, how do you speed up the flow of electrons in a conductor? Quick answer…you can’t. If you have figured out how to exceed the speed of light, you wouldnt be on a fishing forum. roflmao you can’t even slow down the speed of electrons in a circuit. The entire ohms law revolves around one constant. The flow of electrons remains the same. Always. Amps, volts, and watts are NOT current flow. Those are quantities. Not speeds. Speed of electrons do not change across a circuit.




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Re: Pan Optics Power [Re: SteezMacQueen] #14286471 02/16/22 03:25 AM
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Ok buddy, you keep thinking that. I guess too huffing the glue has gotten to your brain. Hey, to save weight why don’t you run all your wires in 26-30ga? Or is there a reason you bragged about the number and sizes of wire you ran when showing off your work?

Let me guess… you had to run the size of wire to handle the current…. Because smaller wire couldn’t handle the load…. Aka flow. Just like a dang ole garden hose on a fire hydrant?

Now that I’ve proven my example as valid and shown you up…. There will be another attack in attempt to make me look like I’m wrong or a fool…. It’s ok, your opinion of me doesn’t matter, but can you pretty please show me the separate “Ohm’s Law” for DC formula wheel? Only someone as smart as you can find separate laws of electrify than the rest of the world.

No attack. No opinion of you either. You are wrong(not an opinion). You proved your misunderstanding of current flow with the pie chart and the water hose comment.

I’ll leave you with one question, if you can speed up water in a water hose, how do you speed up the flow of electrons in a conductor? Quick answer…you can’t. If you have figured out how to exceed the speed of light, you wouldnt be on a fishing forum. roflmao you can’t even slow down the speed of electrons in a circuit. The entire ohms law revolves around one constant. The flow of electrons remains the same. Always. Amps, volts, and watts are NOT current flow. Those are quantities. Not speeds. Speed of electrons do not change across a circuit.





I never said speed, I said flow or current. You can create higher resistance by going with incorrect wire size, and that brings full circle back to what I said. I never said anything about changing the speed of electrons. Go check out the link I provided and see where there is a part about resistance.

But I am still waiting on the Ohm's law that is different for DC vs AC. I asked for it and you haven't produced, only deflected. That's ok with me, knowing I asked a trick question that anyone with any sense about electrical knows.... a volt is a volt, amp is an amp, etc. To correct your previous statement, internal to a battery in DC applications, the flow is from the negative to the positive, but when you measure you do not have the voltage coming from the ground outside the battery circuit. You don't see a fuse block powered by the negative or a house (AC) put the breakers on the neutral or ground. The more you know... Who knew my years of working on AC and DC systems from millivolts all the way up to 4160 vac left me void of basic understanding and knowledge of electrical circuitry.

While this banter has proven to be comical if nothing else, there is a reason wire specifications are provided by the manufacturer of these units. They know what they have, what it takes, and I would bet they have run test cases to create and resolve issues prior to mass release to the public... you know, good business practices.


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One more thing.

I don’t brag about my work. If I wanted to brag, it wouldn’t be with a $30,000 stereo system in a ball players car. That’s a week of work, day in day out….I’m already building another, more expensive car as of yesterday.

I would show some of the $200,000+ audio systems I’ve done in Dubai. Ya know… if I wanted “brag”. It that wasn’t enough, I’d show the awards for Installer of the year from CES and the five World Championships that I won…back to back from 2001-2006. But that would just be bragging. Haha.

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Ok buddy, you keep thinking that. I guess too huffing the glue has gotten to your brain. Hey, to save weight why don’t you run all your wires in 26-30ga? Or is there a reason you bragged about the number and sizes of wire you ran when showing off your work?

Let me guess… you had to run the size of wire to handle the current…. Because smaller wire couldn’t handle the load…. Aka flow. Just like a dang ole garden hose on a fire hydrant?

Now that I’ve proven my example as valid and shown you up…. There will be another attack in attempt to make me look like I’m wrong or a fool…. It’s ok, your opinion of me doesn’t matter, but can you pretty please show me the separate “Ohm’s Law” for DC formula wheel? Only someone as smart as you can find separate laws of electrify than the rest of the world.

No attack. No opinion of you either. You are wrong(not an opinion). You proved your misunderstanding of current flow with the pie chart and the water hose comment.

I’ll leave you with one question, if you can speed up water in a water hose, how do you speed up the flow of electrons in a conductor? Quick answer…you can’t. If you have figured out how to exceed the speed of light, you wouldnt be on a fishing forum. roflmao you can’t even slow down the speed of electrons in a circuit. The entire ohms law revolves around one constant. The flow of electrons remains the same. Always. Amps, volts, and watts are NOT current flow. Those are quantities. Not speeds. Speed of electrons do not change across a circuit.





I never said speed, I said flow or current. You can create higher resistance by going with incorrect wire size, and that brings full circle back to what I said. I never said anything about changing the speed of electrons. Go check out the link I provided and see where there is a part about resistance.

But I am still waiting on the Ohm's law that is different for DC vs AC. I asked for it and you haven't produced, only deflected. That's ok with me, knowing I asked a trick question that anyone with any sense about electrical knows.... a volt is a volt, amp is an amp, etc. To correct your previous statement, internal to a battery in DC applications, the flow is from the negative to the positive, but when you measure you do not have the voltage coming from the ground outside the battery circuit. You don't see a fuse block powered by the negative or a house (AC) put the breakers on the neutral or ground. The more you know... Who knew my years of working on AC and DC systems from millivolts all the way up to 4160 vac left me void of basic understanding and knowledge of electrical circuitry.

While this banter has proven to be comical if nothing else, there is a reason wire specifications are provided by the manufacturer of these units. They know what they have, what it takes, and I would bet they have run test cases to create and resolve issues prior to mass release to the public... you know, good business practices.

Put yourself on the WOS for trolling.

I said there IS ONLY ONE ohms law. I never said ohms law was different for DC vs AC. I said grounds were defined differently.

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Originally Posted by Jons3825
I don’t believe it is more volts, or amps for that matter. But in the way of resistance, I was told to run dedicated heavy gauge wire for the LS and head unit. While they don’t warrant excessively larger wire with the amp draw, ensuring there is not excessive resistance is key.

Inversely don’t go too large or you can get voltage drop. Think of wire as a hose, and too little hose restricts volume, but too large hose lowers intensity (pressure)


This is wrong.. the larger the wire the less the resistance there is.. not the other way around. The smaller the wire, the higher resistance. Voltage drop comes from higher resistance, so bigger is better, As Steez said, there is a point of diminishing return. Copper is expensive.

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