You dont know what the outcome would be without the vaccine.

You should stop moralizing about it. It is not insane to question a rushed vaccine with unknown side effects. The control group for the intermediate and long term studies was given the vaccine effectively ending any studies of side effects which is a huge issue. I am sorry you lost your father, that hurts and right now I dont doubt everything has a more intense burn to it. Losing your father doesnt give you moral superiority to tell everyone else to shut up. There is nothing immoral about discussing alternative treatments to a vaccine or questioning a vaccine that hasnt been around long enough to know its effects. If it bothers you so much to see others talk about it then maybe you should look elsewhere. There absolutely is censorship going on in the media and the medical community about anyone that questions the vaccine. Is there a time in history when silencing dissenting view points was the right thing to do? Ivermectin has been used for years as a parasiticide in humans and has a proven track record for safe use in humans. There are a multitude of drugs used for both vetinary and human use, the important part is dosage. People arent insane for looking for alternatives to the vaccine, especially when asking questions gets you told to shut up and do as your told.

As far as those making comparisons to the polio vaccine...the first polio vaccine was rushed and actually gave people polio, killed 10 children, and caused 40,000 cases of polio out of 200,000 doses. This is known as the cutter incident.

The 2nd polio vaccine was grown in monkey kidneys, and millions of doses were contaminated with a cancer causing virus. Certain cancers run 30% to 90% higher in the 98 million treated with the contaminated vaccines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10472327/

Ever heard of thalidomide? It was fda approved until it was recognized to cause birth defects.

Docotors used to recommend smoking.

I don't think anyone is saying anit-vaxers are insane. They are just saying there is a very high probability they are wrong.

The math is going to vary by individual. If you are 25, ultra healthy, and live in a cabin in the woods I can understand hanging back, giving this thing more time, etc... your odds are darn good.

If you are older, interact with other humans, and have comorbidities (and almost everyone has something) the risk reward math changes in a big way. Each man should run his own risk assessment for himself and his family with the best information available.

The vaccine has been administered to hundreds of millions of people globally. A small percentage of folks are going to have bad reactions. Those same folks may well have had an even worse reaction with COVID. Outside of water I can't think of a single substance you could give to that many people and not cause problems with at least a small percentage of them.

Not insane but certainly irrational.

This. There are several guys from this forum who are in hospitals right now. Some may not make it. If they were influence to not get the vaccine by someone's comment on here, that would be pretty tough to deal with I would think.

IMO, this is complete hogwash!!! We all get bombarded with an infinite amount of messages intended to influence us every day. You guys can blame whoever you want for whatever you want...every single adult is responsible for themselves - PERIOD!!!

For the life of me, in my wildest imagination I can’t conceive of a scenario where I’d cast even one molecule of blame on someone else for a decision I had made. I alone am solely responsible for every stupid decision I ever made...no matter what anybody said that I may have listened to. In this case, unless somebody is physically blocking you from getting the vax, OR, strapping you down and giving you the shot against your will, YOU ALONE OWN the getting it or not getting it.

STOP THE BS!!!!!!!

Nobody said they were responsible.

You dont know what the outcome would be without the vaccine.

You should stop moralizing about it. It is not insane to question a rushed vaccine with unknown side effects. The control group for the intermediate and long term studies was given the vaccine effectively ending any studies of side effects which is a huge issue. I am sorry you lost your father, that hurts and right now I dont doubt everything has a more intense burn to it. Losing your father doesnt give you moral superiority to tell everyone else to shut up. There is nothing immoral about discussing alternative treatments to a vaccine or questioning a vaccine that hasnt been around long enough to know its effects. If it bothers you so much to see others talk about it then maybe you should look elsewhere. There absolutely is censorship going on in the media and the medical community about anyone that questions the vaccine. Is there a time in history when silencing dissenting view points was the right thing to do? Ivermectin has been used for years as a parasiticide in humans and has a proven track record for safe use in humans. There are a multitude of drugs used for both vetinary and human use, the important part is dosage. People arent insane for looking for alternatives to the vaccine, especially when asking questions gets you told to shut up and do as your told.

As far as those making comparisons to the polio vaccine...the first polio vaccine was rushed and actually gave people polio, killed 10 children, and caused 40,000 cases of polio out of 200,000 doses. This is known as the cutter incident.

The 2nd polio vaccine was grown in monkey kidneys, and millions of doses were contaminated with a cancer causing virus. Certain cancers run 30% to 90% higher in the 98 million treated with the contaminated vaccines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10472327/

Ever heard of thalidomide? It was fda approved until it was recognized to cause birth defects.

Docotors used to recommend smoking.

Maybe I just misinterpreted the meaning of “You're costing lives without even knowing it and certainly without acknowledging it or apologizing for it.“.

Cut and pasted from above: The opposition to a vaccine that could save your life and would help us all get back to normal sooner is absolutely insane, selfish, and immoral. This isn't about freedom of choice - choose what you want, but stop trying to persuade others to join you in the stupidity. You're costing lives without even knowing it and certainly without acknowledging it or apologizing for it. Just stop: end

My post would have more accurately reflected my opinion if written as, "The *public and vocal* opposition to a vaccine..."