texasfishingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
Jeffish_27, Clavelle2003, TexasGambit, Jstewart, Aggie_angler22
117428 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
TexDawg 109,959
hopalong 107,067
Bigbob_FTW 83,095
John175☮ 82,284
Pilothawk 82,233
Derek 🐝 67,772
JDavis7873 67,408
Mark Perry 66,522
Forum Statistics
Forums59
Topics1,143,047
Posts15,583,781
Members142,428
Most Online36,273
Jan 23rd, 2013
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14021265 06/04/21 11:20 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
T
ToasterWEyes Online Content OP
Extreme Angler
OP Online Content
Extreme Angler
T
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
We got a good rain this afternoon at the house and I tested the water running into the pond as seen above at 6.15.


It's only a good cast if you catch a fish...
Personal Best: 11.62 lbs
Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14021268 06/04/21 11:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
T
ToasterWEyes Online Content OP
Extreme Angler
OP Online Content
Extreme Angler
T
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
I then took the same run in water and swirled in a little blue clay.

[Linked Image]

2.83
Pond is still sitting at 2.9
Blue clay is clearly the issue.
If anyone knows a good source of lime near Grandview please let me know. I’m talking to US Lime but they want at least a 12 ton dump truck due to loading facilities.


It's only a good cast if you catch a fish...
Personal Best: 11.62 lbs
Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14032740 06/15/21 04:08 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,716
Outdoordude Offline
Extreme Angler
Offline
Extreme Angler
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,716
Difficult to know for sure how much lime is needed based on water pH and alkalinity. The Extension service can provide lime recommendations based on soil samples. Ask them to give you the agricultural lime requirement for at least pH 6.5. It very well may take 12 tons for 2 acres being that low. The good thing about agricultural lime is that it does absolutely no harm to over-apply.

The pre-dissolve and spread by trash-pump strategy works, but you'll still want to try to move it around the pond in a grid pattern from a boat as you apply it if you can. Even fully dissolved, the lime slurry will be more dense than water and will sink to the bottom near where it goes in. Professional lime applicators use a big modified pontoon boat with a flat deck, load a scoop of lime on the deck, then use a high pressure water pump to spray the dry lime off the deck as they move about the pond.

Spraying it from the edges of the pond works better than nothing but there will probably be a large area in the middle of the pond that isn't treated well. The lime really needs to settle down over the top of the soil that need treating for full effect.

It will be a lot of hard work to get it out.


Scott Jones
Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14044679 06/27/21 04:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
T
ToasterWEyes Online Content OP
Extreme Angler
OP Online Content
Extreme Angler
T
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
Thanks for the responses to the thread and PMs everyone!
I took soil and water samples in for testing on Friday afternoon at Tarleton State University in Stephenville. They have the Texas Institute for Applied Environmental Research lab there. I was able to speak with the lab manager and their lead scientist which was awesome. They are puzzled and say that a pH that low for this area is unheard of, and they will be analyzing it to see if there is possibly a man made contamination in the area. They did confirm that the water pH is indeed 3.2.
I should have a treatment plan based on soil and water samples pretty soon.
Outdoordude, I have a front end loader, trash pump, and have already rigged up my bowfishing boat to spread the required lime if that is what is needed. I'll post an update on what they find later along with pics of lime application.


It's only a good cast if you catch a fish...
Personal Best: 11.62 lbs
Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14046680 06/29/21 05:20 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,716
Outdoordude Offline
Extreme Angler
Offline
Extreme Angler
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,716
Excellent! Glad to hear of the progress.


Scott Jones
Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14050073 07/02/21 02:40 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 648
D
Dave Davidson Offline
Pro Angler
Offline
Pro Angler
D
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 648
The green oaks can be a real problem. They contain tanins which is lethal to fish.
My experience a LONG time ago:

Had the hole dug, about 3 acres, and put in some big oaks for fish structure. Got some rains and the water turned black. I stocked with fathead minnows, bluegills and crawdads. The mud bugs left the water. All the fish died.

I pumped the whole thing dry. That took awhile. After letting the oaks dry, I started burning. That also took awhile.

Finally, after the sun dried out the soils, I restocked with no ill effects. You can test by getting a minnow bucket, putting it in the water with minnows.

Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14051372 07/03/21 09:04 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
T
ToasterWEyes Online Content OP
Extreme Angler
OP Online Content
Extreme Angler
T
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
I’ve had a couple of guys tell me that about the oak trees. I’m hoping that they laid out pushed over long enough to dodge that bullet. Most of them were down more than a year before the pond filled.
After I get the pH under control the water will be tested again to see if there is any toxicity present. I’ll make sure and ask about the trees and that possibility at that point. Thanks!!


It's only a good cast if you catch a fish...
Personal Best: 11.62 lbs
Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14051798 07/04/21 12:58 PM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,017
D
DLALLDER Offline
Extreme Angler
Offline
Extreme Angler
D
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,017
PELLETIZED LIME is a lot easier to handle with a lot less dust. I put 1.5 tons on about 2 acres a few years ago with my atv and a modified feeder.

Re: New Pond / Ph Issues [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14057772 07/10/21 02:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
T
ToasterWEyes Online Content OP
Extreme Angler
OP Online Content
Extreme Angler
T
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,154
Tested pH yesterday. Still way low, but up a bit. Still waiting on the full report from Tarleton before treating the pond.

[Linked Image]

3.81 pH


It's only a good cast if you catch a fish...
Personal Best: 11.62 lbs
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 1998-2022 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3