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 Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 01:11 PM
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Allison1
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You guys don't even address the laws and want what you want for whatever reason.
Simple. Cause someone to die without reason and face the consequences. Or not.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 01:23 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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You guys don't even address the laws and want what you want for whatever reason.
Quit being so smug. Of course we addressed the law. The best case they have is for manslaughter. There is no way they get a murder conviction based on the text of the law. The manslaughter charge will come down to what killed him and did he follow procedure. You simply have a different opinion. That doesn't make you right in any way.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
[Re: Allison1]
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04/02/21 01:29 PM
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You guys don't even address the laws and want what you want for whatever reason.
Simple. Cause someone to die without reason and face the consequences. Or not.
What policy did the department have in place for the circumstances that occurred? Do they have a policy in place that says what to do if someone resists arrest and appears to be in a state of intoxication? If so, what specifically does that policy say? Maybe it says something like: "Intoxicated suspects who have resisted arrest should be restrained until medical assistance arrives. Acceptable means of restraint are: X,Y,Z, and knee to the neck holds." If that's what the policy says, then Chauvin followed policy. The policy might be a BAD policy, but it was followed none-the-less. I don't know what the policy says, if you do, please share it.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 02:31 PM
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a777pilot
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The truth is that George Floyd died of a self inflicted drug overdose of Fentanyl.....two and one half times the lethal dose was in his system.
Do yourself a favor and look up the symptoms of a Fentanyl overdose.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 03:11 PM
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the skipper
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You guys don't even address the laws and want what you want for whatever reason.
Simple. Cause someone to die without reason and face the consequences. Or not.
I think it's up to the jury to decide if he caused the death, not you. You should quit with the high and mighty act
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 03:13 PM
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the skipper
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You guys don't even address the laws and want what you want for whatever reason.
Quit being so smug. Of course we addressed the law. The best case they have is for manslaughter. There is no way they get a murder conviction based on the text of the law. The manslaughter charge will come down to what killed him and did he follow procedure. You simply have a different opinion. That doesn't make you right in any way. They jury can give the murder charge, just like the OJ trial where the juror said they let him go as revenge for Rodney King. The text of the law only matters to neutral parties, which was impossible in this case.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 03:20 PM
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Sawhorse
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You guys don't even address the laws and want what you want for whatever reason.
Simple. Cause someone to die without reason and face the consequences. Or not.
For sake of the argument, let’s assume it is that simple. Based on facts presented in the case, what was the indisputable cause of his death? Has it been established that Chauvin was the sole cause of his death? If Chauvin would have done exactly what he did, and Floyd had no illegal substances in his system, would Floyd have died? If so, perhaps you are correct, but I haven’t seen that fact presented yet. My guess is, that will never be established in this case because of all the other factors that are already on record as contributing to his death. Ultimately, the case isn’t that simple.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 03:47 PM
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donothin
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Its not that complicated Scott but you are trying to make it that way.
In this case when three officers have control over a perp and cause his death when they had all the tools available to them to not kill him, yes I think its murder and yes Chauvin should be found guilty. Of what I am not sure but I have not been that involved that I know what murder 2 or 3 is.
I posted earlier that its this simple. If you cause someone to become unconscious you then stop. The measures you applied that resulted in the person going out will likely cause his death.
Before you call me a cop hater, my brother is a retired cop, an investigator for a DA in Austin. My wife is an admin for a 700 man police/fire department.
Also reading this thread and I can tell you for a fact. Your attitude would not allow you to be a police officer.
All opinion. If it were so simple there would be no need for a trial. I know a cop so that makes me right.  stick to the mail. I thought you were taking the day off. How about making that for here too. Your brain obviously needs a rest as it is so little spread over so much.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 03:54 PM
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From what I just read, it sounds pretty clear that restraint policy was violated by Chauvin. David Pleoger, a retired Minneapolis police officer, who at the time reviewed the case for use of force violations testified that restraint can be used only up to the point resistance stops. Once the resistances stops the restraint needs stop. He didn't seem bothered by the neck restraint, only the fact the use of force didn't stop when the resistance stopped. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...vin-trial-live-updates-day-5/7019237002/
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 04:00 PM
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Sawhorse
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From what I just read, it sounds pretty clear that restraint policy was violated by Chauvin. David Pleoger, a retired Minneapolis police officer, who at the time reviewed the case for use of force violations testified that restraint can be used only up to the point resistance stops. Once the resistances stops the restraint needs stop. He didn't seem bothered by the neck restraint, only the fact the use of force didn't stop when the resistance stopped. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...vin-trial-live-updates-day-5/7019237002/ I respectfully disagree with your earlier post about the whole case boiling down to Chauvin’s actions relative to approved procedures. If he violated the restraint policy, then he’s guilty of violating the restraint policy. The case is about whether he caused Floyd’s death.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
[Re: donothin]
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04/02/21 04:06 PM
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Its not that complicated Scott but you are trying to make it that way.
In this case when three officers have control over a perp and cause his death when they had all the tools available to them to not kill him, yes I think its murder and yes Chauvin should be found guilty. Of what I am not sure but I have not been that involved that I know what murder 2 or 3 is.
I posted earlier that its this simple. If you cause someone to become unconscious you then stop. The measures you applied that resulted in the person going out will likely cause his death.
Before you call me a cop hater, my brother is a retired cop, an investigator for a DA in Austin. My wife is an admin for a 700 man police/fire department.
Also reading this thread and I can tell you for a fact. Your attitude would not allow you to be a police officer.
All opinion. If it were so simple there would be no need for a trial. I know a cop so that makes me right. stick to the mail. I thought you were taking the day off. How about making that for here too. Your brain obviously needs a rest as it is so little spread over so much. Says the whacko who wished a recession on the country to get rid of the orange man. Now on topic.....The officer clearly used excessive force and should face the consequences for it. But it is becoming more and more clear that it was not his actions that caused the death of the life long criminal George Floyd....the same man who held a gun to a pregnant women's stomach while his pals robbed her home.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
[Re: T Bird]
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04/02/21 04:07 PM
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Tommar
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Ok, Alice. So if you cause someone to die you’re guilty. Got it.
What about the drug dealer who sold him enough for a fatal dose? Did he kill him?
What about George himself who consumed the fatal dose? Did he kill himself?
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 04:30 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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Its not that complicated Scott but you are trying to make it that way.
In this case when three officers have control over a perp and cause his death when they had all the tools available to them to not kill him, yes I think its murder and yes Chauvin should be found guilty. Of what I am not sure but I have not been that involved that I know what murder 2 or 3 is.
I posted earlier that its this simple. If you cause someone to become unconscious you then stop. The measures you applied that resulted in the person going out will likely cause his death.
Before you call me a cop hater, my brother is a retired cop, an investigator for a DA in Austin. My wife is an admin for a 700 man police/fire department.
Also reading this thread and I can tell you for a fact. Your attitude would not allow you to be a police officer.
All opinion. If it were so simple there would be no need for a trial. I know a cop so that makes me right. stick to the mail. I thought you were taking the day off. How about making that for here too. Your brain obviously needs a rest as it is so little spread over so much. Hey karl! ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2021/04/full-20284-91078-rc8f3b471a7285e0717349601a2e11312.jpeg)
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Re: George Floyd Trail
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04/02/21 04:43 PM
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Emit R Detsaw
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Haven't watched the whole trial, nor probably seen all the video footage of the incident. Have they covered why they pulled him out of the squad car and put him on the ground? I would think that once they had him in the back of the car they would simply close the doors and it would have been over.
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Re: George Floyd Trail
[Re: Emit R Detsaw]
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04/02/21 04:44 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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Haven't watched the whole trial, nor probably seen all the video footage of the incident. Have they covered why they pulled him out of the squad car and put him on the ground? I would think that once they had him in the back of the car they would simply close the doors and it would have been over. Pretty sure they never got him fully inside.
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