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Re: How bad did Ercot drop the ball... [Re: hopalong] #13903515 02/26/21 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hopalong
I figured it out, ercot hired amerigas to run the grid.

has to be it.

At least you got someone to answer the phone. Everyone involved with the grid was unavailable - too busy blaming it on green energy.

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Re: How bad did Ercot drop the ball... [Re: Squirrely Dan] #13903765 02/26/21 10:18 PM
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Again this is from my brother who is on the frontline, he works at the coal burning power plant in Jewett. He just posted this and I found it interesting that we never hear or actually understand what's taking place.

During the joint hearing of State Affairs and Energy Resources Representative Phil King fed the wind generation representative a bogus statistic of an average price of $28-30 per megawatt hour when questioning the wind rep about federal subsidies allotted to wind that they are paid at a minimum of $23/megawatt hour. In fact the average megawatt price is $11-18 unless you are in a severe heating or cooling weather event. 100° in Texas is not considered extreme, however prices will elevate above the mean. Thermal units (coal, gas, biomass, nuclear) with exception of nuclear (due to less than stable conditions at less than 85-90% output) are generally backed down during this time to the lowest achievable stable megawatt loads to make room for wind generation.

The wind representative did NOT correct King, instead he ran with that number and outright lied to hide the fact that they are still making money in an unfairly priced market down to a minimum on average of -$7 to -$12 per megawatt hour on the low side.

As I stated before, some subsidies allow for profit down to a -$60/megawatt hour price point. Stable load thermal units cannot compete with that. Nuclear being the exception at a mean bid out price of $6-9/megawatt hour, because the price per megawatt at each plant is based off of fuel costs among other things. Nuclear however, brings a whole new danger to the picture during a prolonged grid down event, which as ERCOT stated could have taken a month if we had blacked out last week.


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Re: How bad did Ercot drop the ball... [Re: Squirrely Dan] #13904146 02/27/21 05:14 AM
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All of the plants didn’t ignore the winterizen mandates. All of the TXU plants implemented the recommendations. I know this will sound strange but the time to work on freeze protection is in the spring and fall. Most plants run in the summer so it is not feasible to work on it. You don’t do it in winter because if you uncover a pipe and get a cold snap it could freeze. When the plants have outages/overhauls you make sure to put new heat trace on anything uncovered. The initial cost may be high but it is not hard or expensive to keep it up once repaired right.


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Re: How bad did Ercot drop the ball... [Re: Squirrely Dan] #13904214 02/27/21 12:35 PM
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I watched some of the testimony before the Texas Senate. I didn’t see any plant operators testifying but maybe they did. The ones that went down should have been answering questions.

There have been a lot of plants torn down since deregulation. Most got older and weren’t efficient enough to compete. The PH Robinson plant in Baycliff was one of the largest natural gas fired plants in the nation.it’s gone

Nobody is going to put up the expense to keep a plant in a ready state to just run once in a blue moon.

Deregulation had a lot to do with last weeks power generation problem.


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Re: How bad did Ercot drop the ball... [Re: Jpurdue] #13904218 02/27/21 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
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As bad as ERCOT may (or may not) be, I promise you the Feds can make it worse. And at the same time make it more expensive.


20 other states have lower average electricity costs than Texas. Which frankly is bizarre given our access to fossil fuels.


Expensive to deliver to dense urban areas. Most the states with lower costs have much lower population and smaller cities.
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