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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: pacertom]
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02/09/21 07:27 PM
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patriot07
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India is the only large Govt that has tried to ban the use of crypto...They intend to make their own... But how do they ban it really? You literally have to turn off the internet. Nonetheless....here is an article on the same subject but a much different tone than the blanket Ban statements. https://www.financemagnates.com/cry...lly-ban-crypto-experts-say-its-unlikely/ And of course its something to think about. I have long and hard because my retirement and way of life depend on it...The scare of XRP and the SEC lawsuit showed that front and center, many knew the SEC was going after Ripple as the shady way they raised money raised significant red flags....With that said, only had a small position in something that risky. But in the end, this is the way the world is going, it can't be stopped but it can be regulated. And that's precisely what the industry needs and looking for. Weed out the 1500 or so tokens out there that are truly scams or "chitcoins" and let the use case tokens thrive. Further - India corporations are using Blockchain and the utility tokens that serve as the fuel for the network..there are many. Here's the deal......way to many people hear crypto and they immediately think of it as a replacement currency. 90% of the tokens out there are NOT currencies or currency replacements. Most tokens are the rewards for miners on the blockchain that allow for the blockchain to operate. If there wasn't an incentive for the network operators, it would not function. And those same tokens have value as the use of a particular blockchain gains adoption. Another way to classify it - your business wants to utilize a particular blockchain for supply chain management, tracking produce from the farmer - processor - distributor - retailer .... Access to the blockchain requires the use of their Utility token.... Man, it's hard to explain in a reply but here is a copy paste of what a Utility token actually is in the basic sense: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Utility tokens offer the right to a service or product A utility token has a wider functionality than a coin. Utility tokens do have value, but they cannot be considered money as straightforward as a coin. Utility tokens can provide value to investors in different ways. They give users access to a product or service. A Uber token, for example, could be used to pay for a ride with a Uber car. But not for anything else. If you wanted to use the Uber token to buy another product or service, you would first have to exchange it against either fiat money or a crypto-coin such as bitcoin. In practice, the use of these terminologies is not as sharp and clear-cut. The terms “coin” and “token” are often used synonymously. The blockchain industry is still young, so the language will evolve over time. However, most industry insiders agree on the broad distinction that a coin is cash and a token is basically everything else. What would be the benefit of someone using crypto to buy an uber-coin? I just can't get straight in my mind what the value provided by the crypto is?
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: patriot07]
#13880402
02/09/21 07:54 PM
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Joined: Aug 2002
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pacertom
Extreme Angler
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India is the only large Govt that has tried to ban the use of crypto...They intend to make their own... But how do they ban it really? You literally have to turn off the internet. Nonetheless....here is an article on the same subject but a much different tone than the blanket Ban statements. https://www.financemagnates.com/cry...lly-ban-crypto-experts-say-its-unlikely/ And of course its something to think about. I have long and hard because my retirement and way of life depend on it...The scare of XRP and the SEC lawsuit showed that front and center, many knew the SEC was going after Ripple as the shady way they raised money raised significant red flags....With that said, only had a small position in something that risky. But in the end, this is the way the world is going, it can't be stopped but it can be regulated. And that's precisely what the industry needs and looking for. Weed out the 1500 or so tokens out there that are truly scams or "chitcoins" and let the use case tokens thrive. Further - India corporations are using Blockchain and the utility tokens that serve as the fuel for the network..there are many. Here's the deal......way to many people hear crypto and they immediately think of it as a replacement currency. 90% of the tokens out there are NOT currencies or currency replacements. Most tokens are the rewards for miners on the blockchain that allow for the blockchain to operate. If there wasn't an incentive for the network operators, it would not function. And those same tokens have value as the use of a particular blockchain gains adoption. Another way to classify it - your business wants to utilize a particular blockchain for supply chain management, tracking produce from the farmer - processor - distributor - retailer .... Access to the blockchain requires the use of their Utility token.... Man, it's hard to explain in a reply but here is a copy paste of what a Utility token actually is in the basic sense: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Utility tokens offer the right to a service or product A utility token has a wider functionality than a coin. Utility tokens do have value, but they cannot be considered money as straightforward as a coin. Utility tokens can provide value to investors in different ways. They give users access to a product or service. A Uber token, for example, could be used to pay for a ride with a Uber car. But not for anything else. If you wanted to use the Uber token to buy another product or service, you would first have to exchange it against either fiat money or a crypto-coin such as bitcoin. In practice, the use of these terminologies is not as sharp and clear-cut. The terms “coin” and “token” are often used synonymously. The blockchain industry is still young, so the language will evolve over time. However, most industry insiders agree on the broad distinction that a coin is cash and a token is basically everything else. What would be the benefit of someone using crypto to buy an uber-coin? I just can't get straight in my mind what the value provided by the crypto is? Discounts, customer loyalty...Think of it as airline miles or credit card points, these are similar in nature to specific utility tokens. If Uber offered $100 worth of Uber tokens for $75 (those dont exist by the way).... Thats one crude example. The real utility comes into play for smart contracts between organizations. Instead of a human processing transfers a smart contract - an unbiased source - has rules around when funding can be released once all elements of that smart contract are satisfied. Here's a decent write up on smart contracts.....Take note of Voting Fraud. At some point in the future, voting will be on the blockchain to combat people voting twice, dead people voting, identity verification etc.... https://www.kaleido.io/blockchain-blog/5-examples-of-blockchain-smart-contracts As mentioned previously, if you look at the blockchain as utilities that make corporations more efficient(medical records, supply chain management, title ownership and countless other examples) VS thinking of them as a currency, it will start to click.
A MAN WILL NEVER GO TO HIS GRAVE WISHING HE'D FISHED LESS!!
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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02/09/21 07:55 PM
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RATZ
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do you have to buy a full coin or can you buy fractions of one? I just don't have $35-50,000 to play with in the market.
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: RATZ]
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02/09/21 07:58 PM
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pacertom
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do you have to buy a full coin or can you buy fractions of one? I just don't have $35-50,000 to play with in the market. Bitcoin is divisible to 8 decimal points. On Coinbase for example you can buy their minimum of $2 - that comes out to 0.000042 Bitcoin I know a lot of people that have a couple hundred bucks of BTC and ETH for the same reason you note above....The answer is no, you don't have to buy a whole Bitcoin, you can buy fractions.
A MAN WILL NEVER GO TO HIS GRAVE WISHING HE'D FISHED LESS!!
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: pacertom]
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02/09/21 08:33 PM
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Uncle Zeek
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India is the only large Govt that has tried to ban the use of crypto...They intend to make their own... But how do they ban it really? You literally have to turn off the internet. Looky what popped up in my notifications: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...al-bank-is-looking-into-it-idUSKBN1ZZ2XF
"Decency is not news; it is buried in the obituaries --but it is a force stronger than crime" ~ Robert A. Heinlein Artim Law Firm, PLLC Estate planning & tax attorney 2250 Morriss Road, Suite 205, Flower Mound, Texas 75028 972-746-0758 mobile zac@artimlegal.com
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
#13880470
02/09/21 09:05 PM
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patriot07
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If there is anything we learned from Gamestonk, it's that the oligarchy aren't gonna let poor folks get rich, if there is anything they can do about it. Since they already own politicians, then banning crypto seems like a super logical step IMHO.
As for discounts, why would Uber offer discounts for crypto users? I don't see crypto like the modern version of groupon...
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
#13880565
02/09/21 10:13 PM
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GROD
Extreme Angler
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Filecoin... 43 dollars now!
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: patriot07]
#13880576
02/09/21 10:20 PM
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Joined: Aug 2002
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pacertom
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If there is anything we learned from Gamestonk, it's that the oligarchy aren't gonna let poor folks get rich, if there is anything they can do about it. Since they already own politicians, then banning crypto seems like a super logical step IMHO.
As for discounts, why would Uber offer discounts for crypto users? I don't see crypto like the modern version of groupon... I give up....I'm out.
A MAN WILL NEVER GO TO HIS GRAVE WISHING HE'D FISHED LESS!!
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
#13880613
02/09/21 10:52 PM
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GROD
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Up over 11 dollars per coin in 5 hours... if you had bought 100 dollars worth, you made 33 dollars. Bought 10k worth... can do the math. Needs to cool off a bit though... will hit 100 in 3-6 months of not sooner in my opinion.
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: Sawhorse]
#13880621
02/09/21 10:58 PM
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Joined: May 2002
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Bob Davis
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This is a real concern. The video game my grandson plays unexpectedly updated and he lost all of the weapons and shields he had purchased. I hear ya!. My grandson buys imaginery weapons and stuff all the time. I can't convince him what a goofy practice this is.
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
#13880663
02/09/21 11:47 PM
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GROD
Extreme Angler
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Got up to 52 ish.... I sold at 47 on the cool off... waiting for a good time to jump back in.
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: Bob Davis]
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02/09/21 11:58 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: patriot07]
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02/10/21 12:44 AM
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Jeff From Iowa
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If there is anything we learned from Gamestonk, it's that the oligarchy aren't gonna let poor folks get rich, if there is anything they can do about it. Since they already own politicians, then banning crypto seems like a super logical step IMHO.
As for discounts, why would Uber offer discounts for crypto users? I don't see crypto like the modern version of groupon... Bitcoin payment for their portion = more profit if it’s going up. The dollar isn’t going to grow for ya, interest is terrible.
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: Jeff From Iowa]
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02/10/21 01:07 PM
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patriot07
TFF Guru
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If there is anything we learned from Gamestonk, it's that the oligarchy aren't gonna let poor folks get rich, if there is anything they can do about it. Since they already own politicians, then banning crypto seems like a super logical step IMHO.
As for discounts, why would Uber offer discounts for crypto users? I don't see crypto like the modern version of groupon... Bitcoin payment for their portion = more profit if it’s going up. The dollar isn’t going to grow for ya, interest is terrible. But what if it's going down? I mean I could pay them in any investment - I could have paid them in AMC stock last week and they'd be broke now. I have buddies who lost a ton in crypto and really thought they knew what they were doing. Imagine just a normal business owner who doesn't know, or want to know, anything about it. I just don't see the point, or the value. But I'd like to learn.
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Bitcoin ^^^
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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02/10/21 01:15 PM
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Uncle Zeek
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To the kid, they're probably worth more.
"Decency is not news; it is buried in the obituaries --but it is a force stronger than crime" ~ Robert A. Heinlein Artim Law Firm, PLLC Estate planning & tax attorney 2250 Morriss Road, Suite 205, Flower Mound, Texas 75028 972-746-0758 mobile zac@artimlegal.com
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