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I must say I wasn't surprised when Motor Trend named the Toyota Tundra the worst truck for 2021 citing it hadn't changed in 10 years or so, nor was I surprised when they named the 2021 Silverado the pick-up with best bang for your buck for this year. What surprised me was in a test of the Duramax 2500 versus the F-250 and the Dodge 2500 dragging a heavy load to see who could drag it the longest distance. I would have thought the Ford F-250 who had the best 0 to 60 time and the most HP would win, but surprising the Silverado won.

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Motor Trend is nothing but paid for advertising

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Motor Trend is nothing but paid for advertising

Yep, just like Consumer Reports. They have knocked certain trucks for ride. Well they are trucks designed to carry a load not Caddys


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I’m looking forward to the new twin turbo V6 Tundra later this year.


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I’m looking forward to the new twin turbo V6 Tundra later this year.

That is what I am waiting on myself. Hope they also make a major change in the transmission. An 8 or 10 speed would really help.

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I’m looking forward to the new twin turbo V6 Tundra later this year.

That is what I am waiting on myself. Hope they also make a major change in the transmission. An 8 or 10 speed would really help.

Me too! I heard it was getting a 10 speed


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Originally Posted by HasBen
I’m looking forward to the new twin turbo V6 Tundra later this year.


Wow, this got my attention. No doubt that Toyota can pull it off.

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Originally Posted by Stump jumper
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Motor Trend is nothing but paid for advertising

Yep, just like Consumer Reports. They have knocked certain trucks for ride. Well they are trucks designed to carry a load not Caddys


That's odd, I thought that Consumers Reports did not have paid advertising in their magazine. Have they changed?

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The Tundra has been outdated for 5-6 years at least. A gas-thirsty V8 with poor ride quality and late-90s interior was fine up until 2010/2011 or so, but in 2020, it seriously looks and drives like my old 1999 Silverado. But about a decade ago, Ford/Chevy/Ram all realized that if they wanted to charge $40k for a new truck, customers would like to have decent ride quality, better mpg if possible, and a more comfortable and well-planned interior. Toyota just never got the memo on any of that. My silverado 2500 rides better, pulls way, way more, has a nicer interior, and cost the same as my dad's Tundra. I've always like the Tundra, but felt they were horribly overpriced for the features/performance.

As a Duramax owner, I've been extremely impressed by the truck. It pulls my 30' travel trailer with absolute ease - I have to look down and take my foot off the pedal or I'll be going 75-80 and not realize it. My old Ram ecodiesel and Ram Hemi both had to be pushed hard to get anything over 65 mph, which is somewhat expected from a half ton pickup. I cruise at about 1600-1700 RPM at 70 mph down the highway with a trailer with no downshifting on any hills. Again, my old half tons would have done fine, but were way higher RPM and way more downshifting to keep from dropping 5-10 mph on extended grades.

But I do agree that Motortrend ratings are heavily influenced by financial factors that have nothing to do with the vehicle they're rating. That being said, when they were rating the Ram as the best new truck, it was a no-brainer the nicest riding and nicest interior truck out there, and the most affordable. Calling the Tundra outdated is hardly a new opinion either.


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Originally Posted by patriot07
The Tundra has been outdated for 5-6 years at least. A gas-thirsty V8 with poor ride quality and late-90s interior was fine up until 2010/2011 or so, but in 2020, it seriously looks and drives like my old 1999 Silverado. But about a decade ago, Ford/Chevy/Ram all realized that if they wanted to charge $40k for a new truck, customers would like to have decent ride quality, better mpg if possible, and a more comfortable and well-planned interior. Toyota just never got the memo on any of that. My silverado 2500 rides better, pulls way, way more, has a nicer interior, and cost the same as my dad's Tundra. I've always like the Tundra, but felt they were horribly overpriced for the features/performance.

As a Duramax owner, I've been extremely impressed by the truck. It pulls my 30' travel trailer with absolute ease - I have to look down and take my foot off the pedal or I'll be going 75-80 and not realize it. My old Ram ecodiesel and Ram Hemi both had to be pushed hard to get anything over 65 mph, which is somewhat expected from a half ton pickup. I cruise at about 1600-1700 RPM at 70 mph down the highway with a trailer with no downshifting on any hills. Again, my old half tons would have done fine, but were way higher RPM and way more downshifting to keep from dropping 5-10 mph on extended grades.

But I do agree that Motortrend ratings are heavily influenced by financial factors that have nothing to do with the vehicle they're rating. That being said, when they were rating the Ram as the best new truck, it was a no-brainer the nicest riding and nicest interior truck out there, and the most affordable. Calling the Tundra outdated is hardly a new opinion either.

So, basically, a 10 year old Tundra is on par, or slightly under to that of a newer 3/4ton Silverado diesel? Got it. Not bad for a 5.7l gas truck.


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The Tundra has been outdated for 5-6 years at least. A gas-thirsty V8 with poor ride quality and late-90s interior was fine up until 2010/2011 or so, but in 2020, it seriously looks and drives like my old 1999 Silverado. But about a decade ago, Ford/Chevy/Ram all realized that if they wanted to charge $40k for a new truck, customers would like to have decent ride quality, better mpg if possible, and a more comfortable and well-planned interior. Toyota just never got the memo on any of that. My silverado 2500 rides better, pulls way, way more, has a nicer interior, and cost the same as my dad's Tundra. I've always like the Tundra, but felt they were horribly overpriced for the features/performance.

As a Duramax owner, I've been extremely impressed by the truck. It pulls my 30' travel trailer with absolute ease - I have to look down and take my foot off the pedal or I'll be going 75-80 and not realize it. My old Ram ecodiesel and Ram Hemi both had to be pushed hard to get anything over 65 mph, which is somewhat expected from a half ton pickup. I cruise at about 1600-1700 RPM at 70 mph down the highway with a trailer with no downshifting on any hills. Again, my old half tons would have done fine, but were way higher RPM and way more downshifting to keep from dropping 5-10 mph on extended grades.

But I do agree that Motortrend ratings are heavily influenced by financial factors that have nothing to do with the vehicle they're rating. That being said, when they were rating the Ram as the best new truck, it was a no-brainer the nicest riding and nicest interior truck out there, and the most affordable. Calling the Tundra outdated is hardly a new opinion either.

So, basically, a 10 year old Tundra is on par, or slightly under to that of a newer 3/4ton Silverado diesel? Got it. Not bad for a 5.7l gas truck.

No you completely missed what he was saying.

He said a new tundra is on par with a 10 year old 1/2 ton silverado.

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The Tundra has been outdated for 5-6 years at least. A gas-thirsty V8 with poor ride quality and late-90s interior was fine up until 2010/2011 or so, but in 2020, it seriously looks and drives like my old 1999 Silverado. But about a decade ago, Ford/Chevy/Ram all realized that if they wanted to charge $40k for a new truck, customers would like to have decent ride quality, better mpg if possible, and a more comfortable and well-planned interior. Toyota just never got the memo on any of that. My silverado 2500 rides better, pulls way, way more, has a nicer interior, and cost the same as my dad's Tundra. I've always like the Tundra, but felt they were horribly overpriced for the features/performance.

As a Duramax owner, I've been extremely impressed by the truck. It pulls my 30' travel trailer with absolute ease - I have to look down and take my foot off the pedal or I'll be going 75-80 and not realize it. My old Ram ecodiesel and Ram Hemi both had to be pushed hard to get anything over 65 mph, which is somewhat expected from a half ton pickup. I cruise at about 1600-1700 RPM at 70 mph down the highway with a trailer with no downshifting on any hills. Again, my old half tons would have done fine, but were way higher RPM and way more downshifting to keep from dropping 5-10 mph on extended grades.

But I do agree that Motortrend ratings are heavily influenced by financial factors that have nothing to do with the vehicle they're rating. That being said, when they were rating the Ram as the best new truck, it was a no-brainer the nicest riding and nicest interior truck out there, and the most affordable. Calling the Tundra outdated is hardly a new opinion either.

So, basically, a 10 year old Tundra is on par, or slightly under to that of a newer 3/4ton Silverado diesel? Got it. Not bad for a 5.7l gas truck.

No you completely missed what he was saying.

He said a new tundra is on par with a 10 year old 1/2 ton silverado.


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The Tundra has been outdated for 5-6 years at least. A gas-thirsty V8 with poor ride quality and late-90s interior was fine up until 2010/2011 or so, but in 2020, it seriously looks and drives like my old 1999 Silverado. But about a decade ago, Ford/Chevy/Ram all realized that if they wanted to charge $40k for a new truck, customers would like to have decent ride quality, better mpg if possible, and a more comfortable and well-planned interior. Toyota just never got the memo on any of that. My silverado 2500 rides better, pulls way, way more, has a nicer interior, and cost the same as my dad's Tundra. I've always like the Tundra, but felt they were horribly overpriced for the features/performance.

As a Duramax owner, I've been extremely impressed by the truck. It pulls my 30' travel trailer with absolute ease - I have to look down and take my foot off the pedal or I'll be going 75-80 and not realize it. My old Ram ecodiesel and Ram Hemi both had to be pushed hard to get anything over 65 mph, which is somewhat expected from a half ton pickup. I cruise at about 1600-1700 RPM at 70 mph down the highway with a trailer with no downshifting on any hills. Again, my old half tons would have done fine, but were way higher RPM and way more downshifting to keep from dropping 5-10 mph on extended grades.

But I do agree that Motortrend ratings are heavily influenced by financial factors that have nothing to do with the vehicle they're rating. That being said, when they were rating the Ram as the best new truck, it was a no-brainer the nicest riding and nicest interior truck out there, and the most affordable. Calling the Tundra outdated is hardly a new opinion either.

So, basically, a 10 year old Tundra is on par, or slightly under to that of a newer 3/4ton Silverado diesel? Got it. Not bad for a 5.7l gas truck.

No you completely missed what he was saying.

He said a new tundra is on par with a 10 year old 1/2 ton silverado.


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Yeah, redchevy had it right.

Tundra is a good truck, and I'm a heavy Toyota guy when it comes to cars/suv's, but it's horribly outdated, has a terrible suspension, gets terrible mpg, and at best, tows the same as the standard V8 from Ford/Chevy/Ram. My dad just upgraded from his 2013 Tundra to a 2019 Ram and it's night and day improvement in every way possible - price, mpg, features, towing power, ride quality, etc.


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I think some of you should be able to differentiate between the 1st & 2nd generation Tundras. Don't know when the first gen Tundra hit the market but the 2nd gen was first produced in 2007 with 5.7 V8. The 2 generations are as different as day & night.

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My dad's 2013 Tundra and my buddy's old 2015 Tundra are my two frames of reference. I never drove in an older one. The "new" ones do drive like my old pre-2000 Silverado's though, if that's what you mean...


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