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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: JIM SR.]
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01/27/21 12:27 PM
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RODS454
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7 walleyes are you can keep up north,...I think trout is 5 around here,...redfish are 3 a day,...and bass are 5 unders at fork... 25 does seem like a lot ! And all of those limits were because of research and data. As G3 says, when the bureaucracy catches up, most likely it will change. Until then everyone needs to do for themselves what they think is right and leave others to do what they think is right. As long as you follow the regulations I don’t have a say in what anyone does. The guides most likely will be proven right because of technology. And if they are proven wrong then that is great for the fishery and us. JMO. Tight Lines and Blessings
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/27/21 05:58 PM
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Ranger1
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I personally don't like it. Just added another reason why I don't hire guides. This is why we pay the TP&W to set the rules and regulations of fish limits. I don't need Tom down the street to tell me how many fish I can keep. I don't need Peter from up the hill telling me how many fish I can keep. I may just be in the minority here and I am fine with it.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/27/21 06:35 PM
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Laner
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Ranger1, if you don’t hire guides then I don’t see why you’re even bothering yourself with this discussion. Not one single guide has suggested the recreational sector should follow suit, as this is strictly a voluntary movement by guys who fish for a living and have seen an impact on our fisheries.
Last edited by Laner; 01/27/21 07:33 PM.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/27/21 07:08 PM
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Ranger1
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It is a open forum and I gave my 2 cents. Nothing more
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: JIM SR.]
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01/27/21 07:27 PM
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Brett Fishes
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I don't know why it would? You are not paying for a limit. You are paying for knowledge, experience, a few fish to put on the table, and a memory. There is just as much value remaining at the end of the day despite 5 fewer fish being brought home.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/27/21 08:28 PM
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The Crappie Guy
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I've been crappie fishing for a long time, and caught my share, but, I haven't kept a crappie in almost five years, releasing everything I catch. But that's not because I think a lake like Fork will be fished out. But, and I want to make this clear...I AM NEIHER FOR NOR AGAINST KEEPING 25 PER PERSON, OR REDUCING IT TO SOME OTHER NUMBER. But consider this, and the numbers are purely hypothetical.....
1. Let's say......that Fork has one million crappie in it (of course there are many millions) 2. 500,000 are females 3. Each female produces 50,000 eggs per year 4. 10% of those 50,000 eggs (5,000) are lucky enough to actually become fish 5. So 5,000 offspring x 500,000 females = 2,500,000,000 new fish are introduced into the lake each year, and half are eaten or die in some way, leaving 1,250,000,000
Depleting a lake the size of Fork would be theoretically impossible, be they large or small crappie.
And remember before you crawl up my leg....I'm neither for nor against any limit size, as I never keep one crappie
"The Crappie Guy"
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: Laner]
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01/27/21 10:57 PM
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Oldbulletdude
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I'm just a dumb old Okie and I've never been on this forum but I really enjoy the discussions on it. That being said y'all are where we was on Texhoma years ago, I went out with guides 2/5 time a year & someone in our group always hung a 15/22 lb fish on our trip, now you can load boat with a lot fish but no giants of course there wasn't 100/300 guides on lake with $10,000 electronics. Don't lower limits on fish but on guides
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/28/21 02:22 AM
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JIM SR.
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HHmmmm,.......thats a thought.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: The Crappie Guy]
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01/28/21 02:00 PM
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ACES82
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I've been crappie fishing for a long time, and caught my share, but, I haven't kept a crappie in almost five years, releasing everything I catch. But that's not because I think a lake like Fork will be fished out. But, and I want to make this clear...I AM NEIHER FOR NOR AGAINST KEEPING 25 PER PERSON, OR REDUCING IT TO SOME OTHER NUMBER. But consider this, and the numbers are purely hypothetical.....
1. Let's say......that Fork has one million crappie in it (of course there are many millions) 2. 500,000 are females 3. Each female produces 50,000 eggs per year 4. 10% of those 50,000 eggs (5,000) are lucky enough to actually become fish 5. So 5,000 offspring x 500,000 females = 2,500,000,000 new fish are introduced into the lake each year, and half are eaten or die in some way, leaving 1,250,000,000
Depleting a lake the size of Fork would be theoretically impossible, be they large or small crappie.
And remember before you crawl up my leg....I'm neither for nor against any limit size, as I never keep one crappie
Thats kinda what i was going for but didnt know the #s. I would like somebody from TPWD chime in on this that puts #s down.
Never Outsmart Common Sense.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/29/21 02:13 AM
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jig master
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Boy I sure wish my live scope and all my other ff gadgets would make them bite every time I go out. Maybe that invention is coming soon. JS. FYI they are starting to stage up in the creeks find your local creeks start on the north side soon.
Don't believe everything you hear and half of what you see . Living for the Thump !!
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/29/21 02:18 AM
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Catfanman
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Leave it the way it is crappie are good spawners so 5 fish won't make much difference
Last edited by Catfanman; 01/29/21 02:18 AM.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/29/21 11:47 PM
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Grainraiser
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These regulations are self imposed by the guides for the guides. It does not effect anyone else. They fish the lakes every day and expected to produce a limit each trip. They catch more fish per year than most of us catch in 5 years. Recreational fisherman are lucky to fish once a week and I suspect 90% of the time they do not catch a limit. They are not asking recreational anglers to follow their lead. The only group who should have any gripe at all is those who hire guides. If they don't like the lower limit they simply need to find another guide. The action of the guides do not effect me one bit so why should I bitch about it. I have no problem with them trying to protect their lively hood. I benefit from there actions.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: Grainraiser]
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01/30/21 01:00 AM
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Crappie Husband
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These regulations are self imposed by the guides for the guides. It does not effect anyone else. They fish the lakes every day and expected to produce a limit each trip. They catch more fish per year than most of us catch in 5 years. Recreational fisherman are lucky to fish once a week and I suspect 90% of the time they do not catch a limit. They are not asking recreational anglers to follow their lead. The only group who should have any gripe at all is those who hire guides. If they don't like the lower limit they simply need to find another guide. The action of the guides do not effect me one bit so why should I bitch about it. I have no problem with them trying to protect their lively hood. I benefit from there actions. Well said.
-Kyle Campbell- Blue Wave 2000 Pure Bay Predator PDL
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: Grainraiser]
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01/30/21 01:37 AM
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Jeff Schiller
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These regulations are self imposed by the guides for the guides. It does not effect anyone else. . Actually, it does effect everyone else. If they have any impact on any fishery, rather good or bad, it effects everyone who fishes that fishery. Sure, they think it will have a positive impact. And great if it does. But what if it has a negative impact? EDIT: I really think it will have zero noticeable impact.
Last edited by Jeff Schiller; 01/30/21 01:43 AM.
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Re: Keep 20 guide movement
[Re: KidKrappie]
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01/30/21 03:44 AM
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txmasterpo
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PRESSURE does more to change the way a lake fishes than anything short of tpw grass killing monkeys....just PRESSURE.....
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