I thought they were doing a 3 year rolling average to determine who they cut this year but this infers it will just be based on this years standings, does anyone think that say KVD is at the bottom they are actually going to cut him? It may also only be the bottom 6 cut as they didn't replace 4 of the ones that left this year.

I remember when the attached info was published, but I'm not sure if that is still valid. I believe that was published right after the purchase of FLW. Pretty much everything has changed since then. The fact that it still says "[/i]No entry fee Bass Pro Tour[i]" leads me to think maybe it isn't valid. I can't find anything on the recent press releases of Tackle Warehouse Pro Circuit info that says there is a chance to qualify for the BPT. I hope it is still valid though, the noncompetitive guys need to go for the good of any league in my opinion.

I doubt it still has any merit. MLF moves the goal posts constantly.

That's true I didn't notice that, the names of the two feeder series have since changed also

The owners wont get kicked.

It’s a secret like everything else with MLF

Like playing golf and changing rules every other hole...they need to figure this out and leave it

What do they keep secret besides the results of the 4 cups?

No. They will never kick out a brand name. That’s a major reason they started this thing in the first place. Security.

Don’t bother trying to figure this league out, nothing is set in stone until it actually happens.

Bassmaster has a history of changing the qualification rules year to year also, they would be smart to stop doing that and be the more credible league

Red Crest is a stupid name and I'm boycotting such nonsense

10up and 10 down to the BPT every year. Idon’t see how they can keep a bottom 10 guy up there. However they seem to make the rules as they go along. I don’t know anyone who really follows it anymore. The whole thing isn’t going to last anyway.

It’s actually a pretty fair deal as you only go down a level at a time.

A lot of guys want out. I don’t see that number getting less but you never know.

What do they keep secret besides the results of the 4 cups?
It may be only the 4 cups but I never see anything live anymore and I can’t get into the results that happened months ago.

keep in mind that it took several years for the Bassmaster Classic to grow to where they drew enough people to attract exhibitors to their tournament.....and for years the only TV exposure BASS fishermen got was 30 hours or less a year and most of that was standing on the stage holding up a fish or a trophy.
MLF fishing has achieved 850 hours of TV exposure a year over 5 networks and it is now rated as the #1 rated outdoor program....more importantly it's close up exposure where each fisherman and their sponsors get national TV exposure..this makes it a lot easier for pros to gain sponsorship......also both college and high school fishing is showing huge growth and this will generate future growth as the parents,friends and relatives of these kids follow their fishing careers...
there's a lot of criticism directed at boyd duckett and several others for forming major league fishing and for leaving BASS but keep in mind,BASS had 40 years to grow the sport and all they had accomphlished is about 30 hours of TV exposure and fishermen were still fishing for their own entry fees...
my prediction is that 20 years from now,professional fishermen are going to thank Duckett for paving the way for them to make a good living at fishing......and....us non professional fishermen are going to cuss him for popularizing fishing to the point where every lake to drastically overcrowded....

Well it is the off season, they will be live again in february. I really don't understand why they don't do a cup after every two BPT events and show that cup LIVE. Make the BPT go to big 5 catch weigh release and leave the MLF format for the no info mystery lake cups. Make those 4 cup events the majors with the most $$$, I think if they'd had followed this route they would be in much better shape than they currently are.

That’s a self proclaimed narrative that no one believes, including the sponsors that pulled out of MLF/BPT after 1 year and felt like they were sold a bill of goods because they realized those numbers weren’t coming even close to adding up. Oh, you also omitted that KSE (majority owner in MLF) also has majority ownership stakes in 4 of the 5 networks they put broadcast hours on.

If they were doing so good they wouldn’t have cheated the anglers out of so much purse money in 2020. Can’t wait to see what’s in store for 2021 after the success they had last year. That was a slick move on the skimming of $100k out from under the FLW Pro AOY winner! - There are shysters from around the world that are envious and are now incorporating the phrase “TBD” into their contracts. Who knew such a simple insert into rules and regulations document create such a nice pay.

actually MLF stepped up and saved FLW from having to declare bankruptcy which saved a lot of jobs and fishing opportunities for FLW pros and their weekend series anglers....

Well I see Warren is back with all his imaginary made up bs. Did you ever find your baseball

I envision this every time I read large florida’s MLF hate....then its a bit more funny and not such a beating. Now we just need use2fish to let go of his jock. Haha, next he will be telling us moving the classic date to fishing the in the Texas summer and running fish across town for two hours in the heat is actually a BENEFIT. You go girl.

That's about nails it

The worlds best bass anglers won’t sill be a part of MLF if they felt they were getting ripped off. I enjoy MLF and what they’ve done for bass fishing!

Old man I'll steal your cane. I've never been on that dude's jock. I just can't stand most little fish.

Don’t worry, there is a select group of people on here that can’t handle the truth about the stench coming from the boots they have been licking. I like to sit back and watch them expose their lack of intellectual capacity. You will quickly notice not a one of them can or will try and refute what’s been said... speaking of... just who was the beneficiary of all that implied money MLF had arbitrarily taken off the anglers table in 2020? I mean, it was a significant amount... e.g. [poof gone] - FW Cup, 2020 Redcrest, $100k reduction in FLW Pro AOY award from previous years payout, dilution of FLW Pro tournament purses with introduction of “super tournaments” for the last 3 normally scheduled events, how many BPT tournaments were just flat out cancelled with no effort to reschedule? Conservatively, the amount of purse money snatched away from the angler tables could be estimated well north of $1 million! Just who was the beneficiary of all that money?

Here is the funny thing... in the humongous 5 rules for 2021 they changed the wording in the clause outlining AOY award... instead of “TBD” that was used in 2020 to stealthily reflect the $100k reduction, they’ve changed it to “to be announced”! That will fool em!

What’s the old saying?; - Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on _ _! (Fill in the blank)

Good God you are an idiot

Owners will get a special exemption while the invitees will be shown the door... Dan

Good come back... That'll teach him... Dan

What’s going to be more interesting is who they will say qualified to get in, and how. It won’t be anything like the “official” flow chart put up by MLF that was included in the OP. Look at how they’ve handled it when needing replacements thus far for a clue as to how a membership in the “good ol’ boys” fishing club will work. Sad thing is it looks like there are some who didn’t recognize all the red flags and have re-signed up for the humongous 5 in 2021... one would think after they witnessed all the smart money leave in 2020 to fish the Opens, then experience the stealth removal of the $100k FLW Pro AOY award money, and all the other shenanigans, those who fished in anything related to MLF ownership would have got a clue... I mean, look at what was overlooked to let John Cox in... if that’s not the slap in the face needed to wake those guys up, maybe they kinda deserve what they get.

Wasn't meant to be a "come back". Just stating a fact.

Lol, he’s back and he’s good for business.

LOL, do you hate the NPFL too?

They haven’t done anything thus far to warrant any criticism and the organization seems to be looking to play nice in the bass tournament fishing industry. They need to figure out, and then be totally transparent going forward, about how anglers are going to be able to qualify for their league, otherwise they will be seen as nothing more than a “pay to be called a Pro” type of deal, such as FLW was in it’s heyday.

Do you know the answer to the OP's original question?

Yes please, I honestly think they will bump 6 down to the circuit after this year, either that or circuit and tour will merge into some kind of hybrid in 2022.

He’s part of the deflect and redirect crowd for MLF, so it’s doubtful he has any meaningful answers. If he did he would have to reconcile why John Cox was given an invite to BPT ahead of several others that had more AOY points than he did. I presume those guys who have been listed as being participants on the 2021 humongous 5 pro tour just don’t care if they get cheated or ripped off, or they’ve consumed so much of the MLF kool-aid they just don’t recognize it’s happening. After experiencing $100k of AOY money being snatched away in 2020 and then seeing the top points earners being skipped over for BPT invites isn’t enough to motivate them to find alternative tours to pursue, then I don’t know what would. There will always be a greater fool, Wall Street has proven that time and time again.

I don't see a problem with the John Cox deal he is a generational talent, didn't bassmaster just let a bunch of FLW guys in 2 years ago. Unless ones goes under you will see pros moving back and forth between the two leagues for years to come.

Agreed!!

Typical whataboutism used as a “deflection” for the MLF contradictions of their own published rules; and an apples & oranges comparison at that. The contradiction is, there were many anglers ahead of John Cox in FLW AOY points and they skipped right over those guys.

It’s very doubtful we’ll see anglers moving back and forth between leagues as most that remained in BASS know what MLF is all about and what it was derived from; and I expect to see MLF twisting itself into pretzel to move dates of events to try and prevent John Cox from also fishing enough of the Bassmasters elite series tournaments to remain qualified for that tour in 2022. I don’t think they expected John to commit to fishing both tours and that’s why they implied in their press release as someone who left BASS to come fish MLF. It will be interesting to see how a group that forbids their executives from even mention BASS by name in meetings, or company communications, press interviews/releases, handles him and David Dudley in this coming yearl

You've made 354 posts and essentially all of them have been filled with conjecture and conspiracy theory that's borderline insane. I'm not sure if you've noticed this but none of your efforts here and on BBC have had any impact on the forward movement of the league. Perhaps you're not aware but both leagues have set their fields and their respective schedules for 2021 and are going about their business.

All that's left to do now for everyone is to go fishing...

Anyway, it's good to see you found your way back. Your entertainment factor is high.

Atkins left for BASS, Latimer went back to MLF, Hackney and Christie went back to BASS, they are all corporations of one, its all business decisions year to year.

So I guess maybe there isn't an answer to the OP's question. That or those in the know got side tracked by Big O, which is understandable I guess. If there isn't an answer to the OP's question, it does beg the question why anyone would fish the Tacklewarehouse Pro Circuit as anything other than a backup plan? Seems to me anyone fishing at that level would want a defined path to the tour at the top of the pyramid.

I guess no one knows the answer or won’t tell .

I hear there is a back story to B-Lat returning to the dumb money side of things. Something about a prank that was pulled on him at one of the opens that he took offense to. The remainder of the smart money group that didn’t qualify this year through the opens are sticking with it. Maybe his urge to just “pay to have a pro title” was too overwhelming, so he decided to skip the formalities of qualifying and earning of the title. Maybe someone should have told him before he threw in the towel that AOY and the associated points doesn’t mean squat on the humongous 5/MLF side of things...

No one got sidetracked by me... they know I am absolutely correct, that’s why you haven’t seen one sensible rebuttal. The true answer you are seeking and deserve is not flattering to MLF, but you won’t hear it from the MLF boot licking fan boys.

Truth is ;Only the dumb money and greater fools will get involved in a humongous 5 tournament thinking it will lead to an established big stage.

Everyone knows you are full of bs. When anyone brings up facts to dispute your bs you ignore it and just makes the same claims over and over. I don't know how many times you have claimed they cancelled the Redcrest and stole the money. When in reality the just changed from a fall championship to spring. Now go find your baseball

What is the take on Iaconnelli being out at MLF - BPT? He had a stake in it.

There is a certain amount of unhappiness over there from the anglers on them feeling it’s short of what they felt they were promised going in. Some expected it, some did not.

Interesting to see that chart and how it says “NO-Entry Fee Bass Pro Tour”. Can’t be a typo if that chart is new.

Its an old chart


Ike is still a part owner I think

Old chart, makes sense then. Bass Talk Live was discussing the 10 angler drop off the other day and how guys were going to get picked to fish events. Was over my head when Mark was discussing it, didn’t make sense.

Yes, an old chart that accurately reflects the bill of goods those guys were sold. Particularly to those guys who drank the kool-aid and stayed with the humongous 5 pro tour after all the smart money left to fish the opens exclusively. The “No-Entry Fees Bass Pro Tour” being the biggest misrepresentation of the whole sales pitch. Word is, they even floated the idea of trying to get the qualifiers for the 2021 Deadcrest to pony up and pay an entry fee for that tournament too... (they even tried to call it refundable)... which goes to illustrate something that should have already been paid for and planned, never was. Contrary to what some people continue to recite.

And yes, Ike is an angler/investor of MLF and one of the dozen or so anglers I suspect would not be welcomed back to BASS under any circumstances due to his actions in 2019 and being actively involved in recruiting and pressuring the lemmings. Good luck to him with even getting his principle investment back... I suspect it’s poof gone, just like the million $ of purse money that was removed from the MLFLW anglers table during the 2020 season.

I'm gonna say Big O Florida knows more about what's going on than the average bear... I'm thinking most just don't like the messenger... Dan

If he only stated facts I would have no problem with it. I get annoyed at him constantly spouting off bs that just isn't true

Why was he gone for so long, banned camp?

His arguments seem well thought out and make sense. All you guys come up with is "well you're an idiot". Prove him wrong or shut up.

One of his main arguments has always been that they cancelled last years Redcrest championship and stole the money. They didn't cancel or steal anything. They changed from a fall to spring championship. If he can't understand that is not cancelling and stealing the money. Then he is an idiot

I personally enjoy watching both sides fish. But I also think if something sounds to good to be true then it usually is. Not saying Big-O is all right but he does make some valid points. I might have missed it, but why did they push the Redcrest back? Lack of funds? Schedule interruption? Pandemic? I truly don’t know have not done any research on it. Also, why the change from contract to move it to Palestine? I’d much rather see them here locally of course and navigate the cement stump field, but why did they change? Not arguing with any of y’all and not looking for one. Truly don’t know the answers 😂....

Big-o.... I don’t think your an idiot at all especially how well you can explain yourself sometimes. Just curious if you have a leg in the industry or are you just doing research? Maybe an Acquaintance or friend fishing? Just curious where you get your info from.

Well said I also think he knows more than most other than MJ who knows a lot about it also.

Not sure if they ever said exactly why Redcrest was moved forward, that might have been the plan all along to compete with the Classic before everything fell apart in March. Palestine was voted on by the anglers, most did not want to go to Grand duplicate years in a row plus Grand is not fishing good now compared to Palestine.

oh and those cement stumps are old growth hardwoods, bodark are the worst

The Redcrest was moved because they wanted a spring championship instead of the fall. That was done many months ago. I believe they moved it to Palestine due to covid restrictions. They promised a big expo which they aren't going to have. So they moved this one to Palestine. Next year I believe will be at grand when they can have the expo

I look at what’s being said and then compare it to what is actually done or has been done. One doesn’t need to do much more than that to be able to sniff out a con job or identify bad actors that have less than honorable intent. The Deadcrest was run in 2019, its next scheduled event is 2021, and if they are to be believed, 2022 is also already scheduled (at place it was originally supposed to be held in 2021). Some people don’t see (still) the missing year of the event, but I do and so did some of the anglers, and they also noticed the massive reduction in potential purse money available for 2020. With them first cancelling the self proclaimed, biggest, most prestigious industry show on earth, then changing dates, and then ultimately changing venues all together for the 2021 event, is very telling, and I suspect they’ve got much more trouble courting sponsors and supporters than they would ever want anyone to know. Tulsa just hosted the “chili bowl” event and it was successful, so people can make their own judgements as to why MLF pulled out of Oklahoma. MLF isn’t that hard to figure out... it’s like watching the playbook of a private equity investment company being executed. If you’ve seen it before, you’ll know the only ones who end up benefitting are the few investors at the top of the pyramid; the rest end up getting the shaft once the equity has been depleted. Follow the money with MLF - the first clue was the arbitrary cancellation of FW Cup and the excuses used to justify cheating anglers... it’s been much more of the same since. I do have to say, the 2020 FLW Pro AOY purse snatching was the most epic of all... if people didn’t get a clue after that one, they likely won’t ever get a clue.

So they're having 2 Red-whatever championships this year???... Because, if they aren't last years money went somewhere other than the 2020 year end extravaganza... Or is this years championship worth 2x the amount this year... Dan

I looked at the 2021 Posted rules for the Bass Pro Tour and the TW Pro Circuit. I see nothing in the TW pro Circuit Rules about advancement opportunities to the BPT. It only mentions that the winner qualifies for the 2022 TW Pro Circuit Championship.

I see nothing in the BPT rules that says anything about any tour member being in danger of being sent down to the TW Pro Circuit. Man what an odd mix the MLF family of tournament organizations is right now.

They didn't snatch anything. It's no different than if I get a year end bonus every year. If my boss sells the company and the new owner doesn't give bonuses. It doesn't mean the new owner is stealing money. Things change when businesses get acquired by new ownership.

Let’s get back to the real world here. The BPT schedule is set and the field is set. The Pro Circuit schedule is set and the field is set. The BASS schedule is set and the field is set.

There’s no need to speculate who’s in or who’s out and how they might feel about it now. As I said before, all that’s left to do now is fish.

If Big O or anyone else wants to continue to explore and pontificate about it, they’re free to but none of the pros are. They’re rigging their boats, making travel plans and gearing up for the season.

So I just realized this looking at the schedules, Redcrest is now the time of year the Classic was, and the Classic is in the early summer a few months before the Forrest Wood cup used to be. This is interesting too, look at the times of year the Classic used to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassmaster_Classic

what a cluster

Yeah but are the Circuit guys fishing for a Tour spot next year or not?

How dare you mention BASS. The higher ups at MLF are going to smite you down

Only difference I see is, do you pay your boss to work there and then based on performance get your check? I see it both ways. Especially being a small business owner.

Dubee, I see what you’re saying for sure. I watched and read where almost 100% of the field in MLF said that the thing that brought them to fish that side is the no entry. That’s huge!! And I could see where points wouldn’t matter in that side and who cares if you finish second in every event, you weren’t first so shut up. But the guys that pay to compete in every medium-large scale of tournament, I see where AOY is rewarded something. Entry fees waived, cash, boat, etc etc. I just wonder where that money went seeing that the entry’s are still there and field numbers. Again, that is a nice chunk of change to invest back into a company, but it seems it would be a better incentive to have that to drive more people to qualify and compete. Again, just my take on it

You won’t get the MLF groupies to answer you... if the truth surrounding something being discussed about MLF reflects negatively on them, they will remain silent or go into full deflection mode. Hence, you’ll see the type of deflective, change the subject content in the message you’re replying to. Fact is you have to look at how they’ve operated up to now to reach a reasonable conclusion on how they will act in the future.

In 2019 they laid out what appears to be a bait and switch and bogus pathway into the BPT, as in 2020 where they needed to fill multiple spots in the BPT roster (due to smart money departing) they showed just how bogus their published plan was by giving John Cox a spot on the BPT before many others that had more FLW Pro AOY points. If I am not mistaken, John didn’t even fish all the FLW Pro tournaments in 2020 due to conflicts with Elite series events, but yet he was chosen anyway. It appears MLF changed the criteria and goal posts without notice, and not only skipped past AOY points leaders, but also did not bring the field back up to 80. Further, at start of 2020 season MLFLW was touting and promoting how much better things were for the former FLW tours; like lower entry fees, higher payouts, etc... so when “TBD” was entered into the 2020 rules for AOY award no one thought for a second that would mean a $100k reduction in payout from what many, many, previous year winners had received. If anything people thought the award would be increased since MLF was bragging how they “have improved things”. We now know how that turned out. And they want people to trust that “to be announced” now listed in the 2021 rules means it will get better? Only the extremely gullible would believe that.

I think MLF has been around long enough now to see they change the goal posts frequently, make the rules up as they go, and pretty much will do what they (small group of investors) want despite what they’ve communicated and posted publicly. They will always say “it was voted on” like that is supposed to give their changes legitimacy. Just like it was suddenly voted upon to make the “No-Entry-Fee” BPT an “Entry-Fee” BPT. Keep in mind, the two people at the top of the investor/stakeholder pyramid are Multi-Billionaires, yet they couldn’t see fit to make the 2020 FLW Pro AOY recipient whole by honoring the long tradition of giving a $100k payout .... that should tell you all you need to know.

Tomorrow is the cutoff for palestine practice, I'm sure there are many guys out there right now tearing up boats

That AOY money wasn’t reinvested, it was the equity being sucked out of the organization by its multibillionaire primary stakeholders; just like the purse for the FW cup, 2020 Redcrest, cancellation of multiple BPT events, dilution of FLW Pro purse by introducing increased field size and BPT angler competition into the last 3 scheduled FLW pro events, was. Oh, and let’s not forget... the reintroduction of “Entry Fees” into BPT....

that loud sucking sound you might be hearing is the private equity investor machines at work...

Simply incredible level of conspiracy theory at work. Staggering really.

For anyone questioning if he is an idiot. He is still saying the Redcrest was cancelled and they kept the money. So now you know he is

Well either way, it won’t stop me from watching it. It’s entertaining for sure and the skill level is unmatched in my opinion. I still watch all of them live and hope to attend the Classic again this year. As far as conspiracy theory goes for some..... I don’t put anything past anyone. Just look at our country and the state we are in. I’ll take my ball and watch from the sidelines now, have a good year everyone.

Or maybe they got caught with their pants down after buying FLW a sinking ship a few months before covid and all of this is being done to keep the organization going.

Oh no, according to the MLF bootlicking excuse makers, MLF only bought the FLW assets, not any of the debts or in-pipeline obligations, and therefore they couldn’t have been caught by surprise. Conversely, they used exactly that reasoning as reason to cancel the FW Cup and to initially try and deny the Bass Federation “living the dream” package winner what was promised. Are you now saying it was not a brilliant contractual avoidance of in progress financial obligations for FLW?

All you guys are just making guesses, maybe MJ might be the only one on this thread in the know

Agreed. All this back on forth and i just want to know what the process will be. Let us know Mark.

I don’t have visibility to it. My guess is that given the reset of agreements that were forced during Covid, that there will continue to be internal dialogue with the leadership team and the angler board and more to be announced later. Regardless of the decision the anglers will have their input on what that looks like. Clearly they will be crafting a path to the BPT and that’s always been a part of the plan.

You guys don’t understand, the role MJ is tasked with is to put lipstick on a pig, and polish the turd. Not tell the truth or highlight the reality of the situation at MLF. If he had any legitimate reasons for all that 2020 purse money to go poof, gone and vanish from the anglers table, surely he would have recited it by now. He’s had plenty of opportunity to offer something constructive and clear up any confusion or misunderstandings for multiple instances. Instead he’s chosen to post replies designed to deflect away from the subject and cast aspersions my way. But I am game... let’s here it MJ, why was all that potential purse money for 2020 taken off the anglers table and where did that money go? Oh, and how is MLF instructing you to explain away the overlooking of serval anglers who had more FLW Pro AOY points to fill empty spots on BPT, than the person who was selected? What’s the incentive for the humongous 5 pro anglers in 2021?

I don't know but I have an idea. There's 165 of them that paid their money to compete. Here's the list: https://majorleaguefishing.com/pro-circuit/2020-12-23-tackle-warehouse-pro-circuit-roster/

Why don't you reach out to each one of them for a survey and not come back until you've reached them all and can provide us a full report of how bamboozled they feel. Everyone's on pins and needles.

Thanks; of the 3 questions I posed, you answered .5... I’ll give you 1/2 point for quoting one to say you don’t know. The direct link was helpful though and allowed me to review the revised rules for 2021 and see who the next batch of greater fools are... first thing I noticed was they removed the phrase “to be announced” and now all indications is the AOY award is going to be (yawn), entry into the next pro championship tournament provided you commit to fishing the circuit again the following year, and next years entry fees into the same circuit OR BPT; which that annotation is kinda telling in it’s own right... It seems BPT entry fees are here to stay! Who woulda thunk? Sadly, as someone pointed out earlier, there is nothing in rules about how (AOY points or other) and or what is a guaranteed qualification into joining the BPT... so the incentive is, well... I’ll let someone else put lipstick on that pig! At least they aren’t still misleading people into thinking there could be something bigger and better! Like what many previous years AOY recipients got. Someone must have been reading this thread!

My guess on the incentive is if you’re a professional angler and not competing on the BPT or Elites and you’re looking for a platform where you can win $100k in a week of fishing with 308 hours of TV and 108 hours of Live attached to it, then you have your answer.

For most of those 165, that’s enough incentive. Some people just have their heads down focused on their fishing careers and competing Big O. They’re not sitting behind a keyboard like Chicken Little claiming the sky is falling.

Yeah, I hear ya... I am sure, even after last years fleecing of the masses, that Vince McMahon could still pull together and find enough uninformed players and coaches to rerun his XFL gimmick again too. Rackets being run on Wall Street have proven over and over again that there are always new batches of greater fools to be found... the secret sauce is in the marketing. Some people will believe anything regardless of what history shows.

What’s the old saying? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on _ _? Who?

My thought is that the MLF is in a tough situation. 2 of the main talking points when MLF was formed were 1) no entry fees and 2) a clear path to the BPT tour, from high school to college to AAA/FLW to BPT. 3 years later, granted the world has been crazy, those two priorities do not seem likely any time soon. Especially when the current roster will vote on the process. Is there any chance the current anglers will vote to be cut from the tour? I think we know that answer. They will vote in their best interest (i dont blame them), not the best interest of the league.

Actually when BPT was formed the plan was to have entry fees and much higher payouts. Then the anglers voted for no entry fees

Definitely trust you on that. I am more referring to the anglers interviewed after the switch and those two seemed like the most common themes. But you are correct that it wasnt an official MLF bullet point upon formation.

Of course it was and has all along been an official bullet point from MLF, and to this moment it still is. Like I said, it’s all in the deceptive marketing. Some people toss out all kinds of things to deflect criticism towards MLF and it infuriates them when the truth is spoken to them. Look at the highlighted text.

Well once again you prove your intelligence. We were discussing no entry fee when BPT was formed. You can see it right there. I never said anything about how you advance. But once again you just blabber on. It's easy to just spout off whatever nonsense you want when you hide behind screen names( big o, seminole wind)

I typically won’t reply directly to you, as I am not a fan of engaging with someone who has obvious decorum issues. But I have to make an exception in this case to suggest that you may want to get the prescription for your reading glasses updated. Please re-read what I posted and focus on the “first 10 words” of the highlighted text in the graphic that was attached and recognize what it refers to. Furthermore, no-entry fees has been the primary talking point from the inception of BPT; how else do you think they attracted all those other lemmings to move from an established and stable circuit? It may have been voted on by those who had acting parts in the reality TV MLF Cups, but the no entry fees was the talking point that was the bait put the hook in the mouth of the suckers who believed in the Marketing!

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Well once again you prove your intelligence. We were discussing no entry fee. You can see it right there. I never said anything about how you advance. But once again you just blabber on. It's easy to just spout off whatever nonsense you want when you hide behind screen names( big o, seminole wind)[/quote]

I typically won’t reply directly to you, as I am not a fan of engaging with someone who has obvious decorum issues. But I have to make an exception in this case to suggest that you may want to get the prescription for your reading glasses updated. Please re-read what I posted and focus on the “first 10 words” of the highlighted text in the graphic that was attached and recognize what it refers to. Furthermore, no-entry fees has been the primary talking point from the inception of BPT; how else do you think they attracted all those other lemmings to move from an established and stable circuit? It may have been voted on by those who had acting parts in the reality TV MLF Cups, but the no entry fees was the talking point that was the bait put the hook in the mouth of the suckers who believed in the Marketing!
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You are just wrong. The original plan was to have entry fees and along with sponsor money have a much larger payback. It was after all the anglers had already signed up that they voted no entry fee. Which is what boyd1002 and me were talking about. Since they didn't own FLW when they formed BPT. What you posted has no relevance to what the original plan was

And what you call decorum issues. I call blunt and saying exactly what I'm thinking. And not hiding behind a fake screen name to do it

I would be real careful about calling others out on "Decorum Issues" unless my screen name was MotherTeresa!

Lmao, I have no problem admitting I'm blunt and an ahole.

And BOOM! He's back

Speaking of decorum issues, I am asking everyone to tone the rhetoric and personal attacks down. Thank you.

I didn't realize Dubee was a real name.

It's my last name. Scott Dubee

MLF world championship is on CBS this Sunday

LOL someone finally got him to shut up.

O he called you out to the carpet. Time to put up or shut up.

Not sure what you mean? My last post illustrated relevant details had been overlooked and I still haven’t seen one person come on here and explain where all that intended for anglers purse money from 2020 went. No matter how you calculate it, it’s a significant sum of money that never made it to the anglers. Oh, and to boot, they now are going to be required to pony up entry fees. Where did all those supportive sponsors that were going to make that happen go?... that’s priceless comedy to many.

It's just down right funny how he ignores anything anyone says that debunks his bs. And just post more bs saying no one can debunk his bs.

Bro you are literally no better. All you can come back with is "well you're an idiot". Great argument.

Read all my post. That's not nearly all I have said. I've explained over and over how the Redcrest wasn't cancelled and they didn't steal the money. I've explained how no entry wasn't the original plan. I've explained away several of his false claims. He just ignores it and repost the same stuff.

Just for fun I'll debunk a couple more of his false accusations. He says they cancelled the cup and kept all that money. They still had a FLW championship with a huge purse. It just wasn't called the cup. He claims they kept all the money from the cancelled BPT events when they actually allowed the BPT anglers to fish the last 3 FLW tournaments. They increased the payout of those 3 tournaments by slightly more than $500,000 a tournament. A little over 1.5 million total for the 3 total

Wow, imagine the arguments happening over the TV remote in the households around America come Sunday. Live coverage of the AFC title championship to determine who goes to the 2021 Super Bowl, or a rerun of a 2020 fishing tournament no one has heard of even when it was happening live. Maybe MLF could take a page out of other professional sports playbooks and invest in some cardboard cutouts of fans and strategically place them around the lakes and boat ramps... They could even have them dressed in replica KVD jerseys and holding a Duckett fishing rod!

Oh come on now Warren. You know your gonna sit down and watch it with your sister Mary

Lol

Relax.
MLF is making lots of money. Everything is fine.

The funny thing is much of the things I say can be easily verified. For instance, those who argue in vain about the anglers not being cheated out of their championship redcrest last season can’t show a date in 2020 when it happened. There was a redcrest in 2019, and already a completely modified and rescheduled redcrest is reported to possibly take place in 2021, and purportedly even 2022... what happened to the 2020 event and why was it rumored that the anglers were recently even asked to pony up an entry fee (refundable) for the supposed upcoming redcrest? Speaking of entry fees... I suggest the no entry fees was a major talking point and key driver to influence a large portion of anglers to move from an established and stable tournament circuit over to MLF. That’s evidenced by what’s in the public record.

See:
Major shake-up in bass tournament world
Wednesday, September 12th 2018
https://newschannel9.com/sports/outdoors/major-shake-up-in-bass-tournament-world

Quote from article:
“MLF is holding informational meetings with anglers this week. However to attend those meeting anglers are expected to be required to sign non-disclosure agreements so it is still unclear how much detail about the new BPT circuit will be known publically even following those meetings.”
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Then, around the first week of October there was a small write up that indicated that the deadline for anglers that were invited into MLF had passed and an announcement would be coming with the names of the anglers. That came shortly there after and then right on the heals of that came the following:

OCTOBER 30, 2018 • MAJOR LEAGUE FISHING • BASS PRO TOUR

https://majorleaguefishing.com/press-releases/mlf-bass-pro-tour-anglers-vote-no-entry-fees-for-2019/

Quote from press release:
“What brought this great group of anglers together in the first place was the allure of being able to ultimately control our own destiny because collectively we now make the rules,” said Gary Klein, who was instrumental in the formation of MLF and Bass Pro Tour. “It’s all about the big picture of what we want this sport to be and getting it there. We call this ‘Major League’ Fishing for a reason and no entry fees is a monumental move in our achieving that distinction.”
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Now, there may have been a vote, but it’s a big stretch to suggest that it wasn’t already a predetermined conclusion and a major talking point and huge carrot on the stick when those dozen or so conspirators within BASS (MLF angler/investors) were recruiting the lemmings that had received an invite. The “no-entry-fees” was a significant factor for a lot of those guys, and no one can blame them for that... and it was even alluded to in subsequent interviews that Brandon and Gerald gave at end of 2019 when they jumped on the wagon leading away from the kook-aid fountain.

What happened? What’s changed so significantly that they had to reintroduce entry-fees? I mean, the primary stakeholders in this venture are multi-billionaires; they could easily support retaining what’s been the #1 talking point about the BPT. Same goes for the FLW AOY award... these multi-billionaires could have easily kept the award what it has been for many years... chump change to those guys... but no... and the reason is, they are not about putting money into the venture, they are about sucking it out. Hence, the without a thought cancellation of events that should have already had operational and payout costs secured.. canceled! Where is all that money going?

All this conspiracy theory and conjecture and you still have zero impact on the outcome of their business and along with that, your constant rants keep their brand front and center here daily. It’s much appreciated, I’ll ask if someone can start sending you a stipend.

Josh Seale, see what I mean. He is still trying to say the Redcrest was cancelled and the money stolen. A monkey could understand that the Redcrest happening in a few weeks is for the 2020 season. The fact that they decided to have it in the spring instead of the fall is irrelevant. Just like the classic in June of this year is for the 2020 season

Conspiracy theory, conjecture? Hmmmmm, let’s have a look at something about the 2021 Redcrest and see if it’s conjecture or a conspiracy. There are two people who qualified via total AOY points in 2020 to participate in that years “Redcrest championship” for the Bass Pro Tour. The anglers in the top 40 of points were to be eligible. Now some are still arguing that this is the 2020 Championship, so it should include all 2020 anglers who qualified... 2021 season should have nothing to do with it and no bearing on who qualified. Look at the attached graphic and tell everyone who was eligible by 2020 AOY season points and IS NOT listed as an angler for the “2020 Redcrest” and also tell everyone who was not eligible by 2020 season points who IS being listed as an angler participating in the 2020 Redcrest! Can you reconcile that?

Did Hackney leave the tour to fish BASS?

Yes and as far as anyone knows he could have told MLF he would not being fishing the Redcrest. But Warren would never say that.

Redcrest is happening....we’ve had guys all over the lake the last couple weeks here

big zero just need to post [censored] to stir the pot.....stop taking the bait guys

Not just Hackney, but also Atkins but that’s for the 2021 season, this redcrest is supposed to reflect the 2020 season where both fished the entirety of that MLF season.... both qualified 36th and 37th in 2020 AOY points respectively, and it seems MLF decided to increase the amount of the qualifiers to the Redcrest championship from the top 30 (see rule highlights in graphic) to the top 40 in 2020 AOY points, which by doing so instantly made both of those guys eligible to participate... but it looks like instead they plugged in the number 41 and 42 in points in their place.

Some people are vehemently arguing this Redcrest is a 2020 championship and event and none was skipped, so therefore wouldn’t all who qualified per the 2020 rules be eligible, irrespective of anything they decide to do 2021? We are talking about about a huge tournament purse where the top 20 are listed to get a check... why would they become ineligible? Is this another in the growing amount of examples, where MLF is ripping off and cheating anglers?

How hard is to understand it could be the anglers decision. Just like a few years ago when Hack skipped the last tournament at BASS

How hard is it to comprehend there is a chance it wasn’t the angler decision? He makes a valid argument; those anglers would absolutely fish a no entry, high purse tournament that they qualified for. It’s much more likely they were told they couldn’t. MLF has a history of being a bitter ex when guys break away.

BASS allowed all those guys to fish it’s classic in the same scenario.

Yeah, I agree... those two anglers didn’t just walk away from the opportunity to earn as much as $300k? This info (list of anglers) coming out of MLF publicly is very recent... it will be interesting to hear what Hackney and Atkins have to say about it. On surface it looks to be just another in a growing number of examples where MLF has cheated anglers out of purse money in some form or fashion. I presume the MLF water boys don’t see the glaring issue surrounding this... and you won’t hear any of them speak out for what’s right.

Absolutely MLF could have told them to screw off. But he is presenting it like there is no other possibility. I have no idea who's choice it was and neither does Warren. Like I said Hack no showed the last tournament with a chance to get in the classic. As far as MLF having a history of being bitter about guys leaving. I would love to hear that explanation since there has only been a handful of guys leave in BPT's 2 year history

Well Bigley O...who really cares. MLF/MOFO/BPT/etc...it's entertainment to many of us and I really don't care a bit about the mythical behind the scenes you claim to be so amped up about. I watch'em to be entertained and escape from the ridiculous reality of the pandemic and all the other crazy sh*** going on. So don't mess it up for me with your nutball raving OK..?? I have so few illusions left in life as it is.

Thanks...

Well a quick look at the elite schedule probably explains it. The last day of the Redcrest is the 1st day of the 2nd elite tournament.