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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
[Re: LoneStarSon]
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11/27/20 04:06 PM
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My local climate usually says late Feb for onions. I've tried 3 years in a row and have had poor results planting early.
Do you cover the beds or just don't get many freezes where you are?
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
[Re: LoneStarSon]
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11/28/20 01:45 AM
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I am a little early. Dixondale says 4-6 before avg last frost. So DFW would plant around Feb 1st. This is my second year planting onions in bulk. Per advice on here and others I planted first week of January last year and they did very well. So going a little earlier since they were available. Onions can handle mid 20's for a few hours and recover. Which we don't get very often. And down to 20 degrees for a couple hours I believe. La Nina is forecasted so we should be warmer than dryer than usual. We'll see how it goes.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/28/20 02:09 AM
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I am a little early. Dixondale says 4-6 before avg last frost. So DFW would plant around Feb 1st. This is my second year planting onions in bulk. Per advice on here and others I planted first week of January last year and they did very well. So going a little earlier since they were available. Onions can handle mid 20's for a few hours and recover. Which we don't get very often. And down to 20 degrees for a couple hours I believe. La Nina is forecasted so we should be warmer than dryer than usual. We'll see how it goes. Good luck! I may shoot for early to mid-January if the warmer forecast holds.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/28/20 02:52 AM
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i'm plantin' mine next Tuesday per the Farmers Almanac instructions...the longer they are in the ground, the bigger they grow...they're tuff...they can handle the cold...ben there/dun that in my past few decades of gardening
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/28/20 02:04 PM
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i'm plantin' mine next Tuesday per the Farmers Almanac instructions...the longer they are in the ground, the bigger they grow...they're tuff...they can handle the cold...ben there/dun that in my past few decades of gardening No doubt you know what you are doing for your area! I looked up the Farmers Almanac dates from the Dixondale site link, Derek is right on the Feb.1st date for 6 weeks before the last frost in our area (Mar17). Year before last we had around 12 hours below 25, I had them covered but they all turned mushy. Last year lost about half to an unexpected dip in temps.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/28/20 02:15 PM
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my theory is, i can always replant and not loose anything; however, if i plant early and don't have a problem, then i'm ahead of the game...i do the same with tomatoes in February as soon as i can find the plants...with wall-o-waters...i've gardened this way living in Duncanville, Odessa, Crockett, Georgetown, and now, Nac ... every year, it's something different no matter where i am...that's "gardening"
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/28/20 03:28 PM
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my theory is, i can always replant and not loose anything; however, if i plant early and don't have a problem, then i'm ahead of the game...i do the same with tomatoes in February as soon as i can find the plants...with wall-o-waters...i've gardened this way living in Duncanville, Odessa, Crockett, Georgetown, and now, Nac ... every year, it's something different no matter where i am...that's "gardening" Roger that, my theory is if it fails 3 years in a row try something different.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/30/20 05:10 PM
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ReelBusy. I wanted to ask a few questions to get an idea on your growing situation.
Location Raised Bed/In Ground Added soil amendments Type of onions Fertilizers What else do you typically grow.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/30/20 06:26 PM
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I was specifically asking ReelBusy as I haven't seen him post here much and was curious. But anyone and everyone is welcome to play along.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/30/20 08:08 PM
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ReelBusy. I wanted to ask a few questions to get an idea on your growing situation.
Location Raised Bed/In Ground Added soil amendments Type of onions Fertilizers What else do you typically grow.
Rainbow, TX 76077 Raised beds I filled the beds with a variety of bagged top soil and raised bed soil, mushroom compost, manure compost, Homegrown compost and lately some sandy loam. Seems I was getting more organic material than soil. Last season I planted Texas Legend, Yellow Granex and the Intermediate Day Sampler. We usually stick to Medina, and DD soil conditioner, earthworm castings and compost tea. This past season I went with compost tea drench late fall and then planted with Miracle Grow organic fertilizer late Feb. We also grew tomatoes, peppers, squash, green beans and herbs (basil, rosemary, thyme) The tomatoes did great, the onions and peppers not so good.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/30/20 09:57 PM
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Nothing majorly shocking here. A little concerning since your peppers didn't do so good. I tend to find them easy to grow. Not a big fan of adding topsoil. You have a decent mixture though. You might look at adding some bags of potting mix. It's actually soil less. It will help you with with drainage. Works well in raised beds.
I like Medina. I used to use it. Compost Tea can be a good thing when made fresh, not a big fan of the commercial bottled products. Onions are nitrogen hogs the first part of their growing life. That's why dixon recommends using Ammonium Sulfate at the fert 21-0-0. I see you're going the organic route which is great. You could look at using Blood meal and or Feather Meal. Those are 12-0-0. Same goes with peppers and other. A little boost of nitrogen then you can move to a more balanced ratio. I think an Espoma Grow or their bloom product would work well for you. A product called Dyna-Gro - Grow product would probably work well for you. Lots of micro nutes in that product. Adding some blackstrap molasses to your soil drench will add some calcium, potassium, iron and carbs. Your soil microbs will enjoy those carbs.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/30/20 10:23 PM
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Thanks for the advice! I have some trouble with that soil mix in that I had too much uncomposted organic material and was having what looked like fungus. That bagged soil is mostly wood chips and forestry by-products. I made a couple of barrels of compost tea and that seemed to help that issue.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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11/30/20 10:47 PM
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The wood chips and forestry products could be a minor issue. They will tie up the nitrogen for a bit. This is typically done at the shallow level of the soil. That's why it affects things like garden plants, annual, etc and doesn't affect deep root plants like shrubs and trees. The soil bacteria will extract the nitrogen from the soil to use it to breakdown those wood chips. After the process is done nitrogen and other nutrients will be returned to the soil. So not end of the world stuff here. You might add a bit more nitrogen to help supplement any loss during the tie up process. You can also foliar feed nitrogen and bypass the soil all together to feed the plant. I personally like to foliar and soil feed.
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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12/01/20 12:20 AM
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My soil level drops as it decomposes, so I'll need to add to it before planting. Potting soil is best for onions?
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Re: TFF Gardening Thread
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12/01/20 03:20 AM
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As does mine. This is subjective. In gardening I don't look to top off with just potting soil, top soil(never), landscape mix, raised bed soil, etc. I don't plant a singular plant I'm trying to cater to. I'm not growing Cactus. So onions can KMA. Yes I do have a 4x4 bed dedicated to them. But I treat them like the others.
Don't top off the bed. Till the hell out of the bed. Add amendments like vermiculite, perlite, expanded shale, lava sand, whatever. Make it a nice light blend soil mix. Add soil mixes like compost, MG raised bed mix as needed to "top it off" Till the hell out of it again. Smooth out and plant. Adjust N/P/K as needed. And yes your mycorrhizae will be able to attach.
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