Can you imagine what a debacle that would be?

I think we should all enroll into BETOs classes in San Marcos where he is going to be a Professor lol! what an idiot! We could act like Belushi and Frat Brothers when they were at the Council hearing and make lots of racket! Hopalong will be our leader!

So there is not a national database, and the laws specifically prohibit this. However this is not unrealistic. Sans a natural disaster at a FFL’s locations, they are required to submit their 4473’s to the government. There is a place they are stored and it is scary. Shipping containers full, warehouse, offices, hallways, etc. I forget where I saw the video, but it showed how the police can ascertain if a person purchased a specific weapon. Again this is a manual process at this time... meaning they have to go paper by paper looking for the name or the mn/sn. I’ll look and see if I can find the video and post it.

With that said, it is more likely we will get the HPA passed than more regulation. To the OP... the assault rifle is clearly defined and has met been legal for over 2 decades. The ambiguous definition is for the “assault weapon” and they use these terms universally out of ignorance or purposely to confuse their followers who are not “gun” people.

Sorry it was an article... there is course language at points in here. I’ll likely get banned for posting this, but I do this for you OT. My sacrifice.


https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-cops-actually-trace-a-gun-2016-8

It is a daunting task when the best estimates of guns in the US is between 350 and 400 million guns in private hands. The large majority of these guns have no paper trail. Where do you even start? To show the futility, the Australian buyback targeted an estimated 3 million total firearms and after a gun buyback, the total guns bought back was around 615,000. 3 million vs 350 million. Good luck.

haven't seen the video but the licensee has to maintain the records. atf gets nothing unless during an inspection.


How long are licensees required to maintain ATF Forms 4473?
Licensees shall retain each ATF Form 4473 for a period of not less than 20 years after the date of sale or disposition. Where a licensee has initiated a National Instant Background Check System (NICS) check for a proposed firearms transaction, but the sale, delivery, or transfer of the firearm is not made, the licensee shall record any transaction number on the Form 4473, and retain the Form 4473 for a period of not less than 5 years after the date of the NICS inquiry.

[18 U.S.C. 923(g)(1)(A); 27 CFR 478.129(b)]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/how-long-are-licensees-required-maintain-atf-forms-4473


Does ATF know what guns I own?
When law enforcement is looking for information on the owner of a gun that is connected to a crime, they run an electronic trace, or e-trace, on the gun. By looking up the gun's serial number the ATF can determine the manufacturer of the gun, and the manufacturer can tell the ATF which FFL got that weapon.Mar 2, 2018

we have been backdoor registering them for decades now, thank the digital age and storage capabilities.

Good read. My understanding then is that somehow it is unlawful to have an electronic database of the 4473 forms. Hence the warehouses of boxes of forms. So, on Cops or Live PD when the cops call in a Serial number asking if the firearm is reported stolen, they are looking at a database of "Stolen Firearms", not a computer database of "Who Bought and Owns this Gun".

There will come a time soon, when conservative gun owners will need to stand up. We better have some conviction or we turn over liberty and freedom, sentencing our children and grandchildren to the socialist hell and eventual demise of our country. Look no further than the Sewer Pits of the Democrats for examples: San Francisco, Memphis, Baltimore, Houston, NYC, Portland, Chicago, and on and on. What shining examples the Socialists have.

Hop... read the article.

Bob.. that is correct. The only way the firearm is assigned to you via a LEO database is if it is used in a crime and recovered by them, or logged as inventory/evidence by the police. But for filling out a 4473, it is unlawful for anyone to have a database for this. They can look them up, but it is via manual searching through boxes.

Simple.

If a Harris Administration (starring Joe Biden as puppet POTUS) were to have AR-type rifles added to the list of Title II weapons regulated by the NFA, then anyone found in possession of an unregistered NFA firearm after the cutoff date could be charged with a Federal felony. Felony conviction means you no longer have the right to own firearms. You wouldn't be able to transfer the NFA firearms to a friend, family member, etc - they would have to be turned over to ATF for destruction whether or not you were charged or convicted of a crime.

Imagine a scenario in which a ticked off spouse or lover calls the police on a false claim of domestic abuse. Home gets searched, and turns up a couple of AR rifles with no tax stamps. Or suppose you had unregistered NFA firearms, how and where could you shoot them? What if you went to a gun range, and a Federal LEO was there checking tax stamps?

Sure, it would be impossible to track down all the guns, or even a majority. But it would drive "use and enjoyment" out the window with the ever-present fear of being turned into a criminal for exercising your Constitutional (and human!) rights.

^^ This is exactly the thing that a lot of people don't seem to get. This is how they are going to do it.
After the AR's will come the semi automatic pistols and so on.

"Yeah, just try and come take my guns". That would not work, but that's not how they're going to do it. Be sure to vote if you haven't already.

You'll laugh but think about this. Bumpstocks were banned with the stroke of a pen.

Dangerous times for pure Constitutionalists.

read it, this is what aft tells the ffl about digital storage. read the minimum standards.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/digital-storage-form-4473


the ffl keeps the records on a searchable thumb drive, atf gets ser. # and calls mfr, mfr tells atf who sold it, atf calls ffl and has them search.

ffl has to do it no matter how they feel about it.

ask yourself this, how is it that they find a gun at a crime scene on fri. and by mon. they know who bought it from the ffl.

like I said, we have been registering them through a back door for a long time now.

Exactly and it set a very dangerous precedent.