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Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: Jpurdue] #13686192 08/31/20 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
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Shock report... CDC updates its HIV death totals to only include deaths caused by HIV and exclude deaths cause by other diseases in HIV positive patients. The new total deaths cause by HIV is zero!!! Greatest hoax in the history of medicine!!!


This is correct. Nobody actually dies of cancer either. They die of some sort of organ failure caused by cancer. Liver failure, lung failure, kidney failure, heart failure etc... The question is would these 180,000+ people still be alive had they not contracted COVID-19? To answer that question, we have to look at the total body count that has occurred this year. Since March deaths have been about 120% of our normal run rate. That's about an extra ~10,000 dead people per week on average.

I'm not sure what the big surprise here is. We've known since almost day one certain comorbidities dramatically increased risk. Obesity, heart disease, asma, 65+ etc... 43% of the US population over the age of 18 has one of these comorbidities. Clearly the whole thing has been politicized now. Clearly if you are young and healthy the virus doesn't pose much of a risk at all. Doesn't mean it hasn't killed a pile of people.


There is a big difference between a 50 year old on bp meds and what they are saying. 80 plus years old in nursing homes with chf, andanced copd, etc etc. They were staring over the cliff anyway. No one is saying there isnt an illness, the hoax was the shut down, forcing healthy people to go without, it continues now as schools and colleges reopen all the left media can do is scream covid on campus. So what. They arent affected by it. Let people get on with life and high risk need to be the ones distancing etc. That's a personal choice.

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: otay michael] #13686244 08/31/20 02:45 PM
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What I get a kick out of are these Trump-hating celebrities who pretend to still be in FORCED lockdown,quarantined,letting their hair grow long,looking disheveled,no make-up grin. Dude,you're not fooling anyone. 98% of the country has gone back to living their lives semi-normally. Good example: Seth Meyers.That guy is a piece of work. You're telling me he cant pay his high-dollar hair stylist to come to his house every couple weeks to cut his hair? And I was a big fan of his when he was on SNL. And they're doing it all just to try and remove a Republican from the White House. It's actually become comical.

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: hopalong] #13686254 08/31/20 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hopalong
we did and still do look like a country full of chickens with their heads cut off, everyone running around yelling the sky is falling.
still to this day they can not tell you specifically how it is spread or how long it survives on surfaces at different temps. yet a mask will save you. yeah, right.
we were told that heat/sunshine killed it while at the same time being told we can't go outside and gather in a group of more than 6 or be arrested. yes, chitcago arrested folks along with other cities.
as this started we had bumblin biden, schlimer, peeloser and other liberal socialists calling Trump racist and xenophobic for halting travel from china, now he didn't do it soon enough. yeah, got it.
look at just how fast liberal/socialist mayors, governors suspended rights while no legal basis existed for them to do it, most sheeple went along to get along and still are.

typical bs from liberal/socialist politicians using this for personal gain while destroying peoples lives to gain power.

like I have said a few times, too many "convenient circumstances" have occured this year, covid and then riots with both being blamed on Trump while the liberal/socialist cities burn due to "peaceful protest". yeah, got it.

deaths have been recorded as covid no matter the cause actually being, all it takes is a positive test and you died of the wuhan flu. follow the money and who is getting what for "help with the pandemic". who is trying to use this to fund cities with failed economies like nyc and chitcago etc.
look at the ventilator fiasco, used as a way to blame Trump when states had not maintained any for an emergency but had the chance to. Trump turned it on them and sent hospital ships, built field hospitals and sent ppe and ventilators yet the ships and hospitals were not used, ppe was, ventilators ended up being stockpiled due to not near as many needing them.


all the above is fact, someone prove to me that the left is not guilty of subversion and multiple homicides. I can wait.



I found the timing interesting that there was a controversial police shooting right as the RNC was starting. Matly its a coincidence in timing?

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: Emit R Detsaw] #13686255 08/31/20 03:01 PM
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The bottom line, there are thousands of Americans that have died from COVID 19. While it could kill on it's own, it attacks certain vulnerable groups harder and causes complications that causes them to die sooner because they contracted COVID. As the former head of the CDC stated this morning:

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There is ZERO doubt. There were 215,000 more US deaths March-July than baseline, 71% diagnosed as Covid deaths by their doctors. The others were undiagnosed Covid + increases in deaths from Covid-disrupted care. An effective US response would have prevented most of these deaths.





That guy had no axe to grind I bet.

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: Mark Perry] #13686257 08/31/20 03:03 PM
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The bottom line, there are thousands of Americans that have died from COVID 19. While it could kill on it's own, it attacks certain vulnerable groups harder and causes complications that causes them to die sooner because they contracted COVID. As the former head of the CDC stated this morning:

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There is ZERO doubt. There were 215,000 more US deaths March-July than baseline, 71% diagnosed as Covid deaths by their doctors. The others were undiagnosed Covid + increases in deaths from Covid-disrupted care. An effective US response would have prevented most of these deaths.





That guy had no axe to grind I bet.


Whether he did or didn't, he isn't wrong.


Mask not what your country can do for you. Mask is what you can do for your country.
Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: Emit R Detsaw] #13686264 08/31/20 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
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Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
The bottom line, there are thousands of Americans that have died from COVID 19. While it could kill on it's own, it attacks certain vulnerable groups harder and causes complications that causes them to die sooner because they contracted COVID. As the former head of the CDC stated this morning:

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There is ZERO doubt. There were 215,000 more US deaths March-July than baseline, 71% diagnosed as Covid deaths by their doctors. The others were undiagnosed Covid + increases in deaths from Covid-disrupted care. An effective US response would have prevented most of these deaths.





That guy had no axe to grind I bet.


Whether he did or didn't, he isn't wrong.


I prefer unbiased data.

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: otay michael] #13686275 08/31/20 03:19 PM
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Are they still clinging to this?

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: Mark Perry] #13686279 08/31/20 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Perry


I prefer unbiased data.


You prefer tabloid news as opposed to the truth!


Mask not what your country can do for you. Mask is what you can do for your country.
Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: otay michael] #13686282 08/31/20 03:30 PM
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never Trumpers and haters will try and keep this BS going with their nondata BS, just because they hate Trump and want a socialist government because they hate america to.

the GREAT HOAX. and none of us think the virus is a hoax we think the hoax is what the socialist,liberal,democrat, and never Trumpers want which is a socialist government so they can gripe about the language or spelling of the tweets of the dictators that will take over this country. The only question is will they speak chinese or russian, it dang sure won't be the left NP

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: Emit R Detsaw] #13686289 08/31/20 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Emit R Detsaw
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I prefer unbiased data.


You prefer tabloid news as opposed to the truth!



Not really. I just prefer data from the guy currently running the CDC as opposed to a guy with an agenda against his former employer.

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: otay michael] #13686345 08/31/20 04:15 PM
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Not shocking at all.
I have said from the beginning that one day, the whole truth would be known.

We aren't there yet.


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Cut with her golden oars the silver stream,
And greedily devour the treacherous bait.
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Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: reeltexan] #13686379 08/31/20 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by reeltexan

Not shocking at all.
I have said from the beginning that one day, the whole truth would be known.

We aren't there yet.


we will get the rest of the story in November, as Paul Harvey use to say

Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: bloo_rainger] #13686404 08/31/20 05:02 PM
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Where is the TFF safety patrol? Someone needs to be investigating this....



https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-...Mc5laE-nsD00XGfpiIBf6Rgv87cw8iU0P3TuvHPc



I'm pretty tired. I think I'll go home now.
Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: Allison1] #13686406 08/31/20 05:04 PM
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Changing numbers before the election? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked. Put your trust in Mel Q.


I dont think any numbers are changing. Instead, the CDC confessed that 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes. Many of us had been saying this for months.

So many used the CDC data to promote the public safety guidelines. Now they're crawfishing or denying it entirely.


At least one but the average was two and a half issues when they died.

My my how we have devalued life. Anyone remember the death panel under Obamacare and how wrong you thought that was? Why are you devaluating life because someone gets old?


We have always known that Covid caused those with a weak immune system or any number of other medical issues was a higher risk under Covid. Now we know that 81% or the people who died had medical issues.


How many of the 81% would be alive today if they had not contacted Covid. That is the question.
One that apparently has not been asked.


How many of these would have survived if they had ONLY covid-19 and no underlying medical issues? Chances are most would have survived.

It works both ways!



I'm pretty tired. I think I'll go home now.
Re: SHOCK REPORT: This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID Numbers โ€“ Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID Alone [Re: otay michael] #13686416 08/31/20 05:13 PM
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Well, if I get to the point of being immobile, wasting away slowly of some damn cancer, wetting and soiling myself, zero quality of life, I would love to lick a doorknob from a Wuhan lab crawling with the Kung Flu. . Gimmee that China flu, baby. I want out of this sad state.


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