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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/13/20 09:26 PM
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Scoundrel
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"That money will be redirected instead to a wide variety of community programs and city departments, including Austin-Travis County EMS for COVID-19 response, mental health response, violence prevention and a family violence shelter and protection and victim services."
Why is that a problem? Those programs aren't a problem, they definitely need to be funded as well. The problem is that moving money into them that was intended for law enforcement does nothing to lower the number of burglaries, assaults, rapes and murders where those law enforcement responders are needed...no one from any of those programs would be able to do anything about investigating and hopefully arresting someone who committed a crime. I'd say cops don't actually lower the number of burglaries, assaults, rapes, and murders. They respond to them, and mental health/social programs/family violence programs are more likely to lower actual crimes by addressing root causes.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/13/20 09:27 PM
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wiredog
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"That money will be redirected instead to a wide variety of community programs and city departments, including Austin-Travis County EMS for COVID-19 response, mental health response, violence prevention and a family violence shelter and protection and victim services."
Why is that a problem? You forgot this from the article... abortion access
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/13/20 09:31 PM
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kennerdude
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"That money will be redirected instead to a wide variety of community programs and city departments, including Austin-Travis County EMS for COVID-19 response, mental health response, violence prevention and a family violence shelter and protection and victim services."
Why is that a problem? Are you serious Clark? The point is defunding the police. That’s the problem. They’re going back to 2014 budget levels. Austin has certainly grown quite a bit in the last six years no?
NIL CARBORUNDUM
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 09:32 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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I'm gonna laugh my butt off when the social workers start dying trying to "fix" the problem.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 09:41 PM
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Hard Rain
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This is exactly what criminals want.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/13/20 09:43 PM
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OldCrow
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"That money will be redirected instead to a wide variety of community programs and city departments, including Austin-Travis County EMS for COVID-19 response, mental health response, violence prevention and a family violence shelter and protection and victim services."
Why is that a problem? Those programs aren't a problem, they definitely need to be funded as well. The problem is that moving money into them that was intended for law enforcement does nothing to lower the number of burglaries, assaults, rapes and murders where those law enforcement responders are needed...no one from any of those programs would be able to do anything about investigating and hopefully arresting someone who committed a crime. I'd say cops don't actually lower the number of burglaries, assaults, rapes, and murders. They respond to them, and mental health/social programs/family violence programs are more likely to lower actual crimes by addressing root causes. Of the programs you listed, only 2 seem to be possibly capable of helping to lower crime rates (mental health response and violence prevention)...the others are reactionary, after the fact...I believe there have been programs like this around for quite some time, funded at various levels over the years. I also believe there has been little to no impact on crime. Why? I believe its like most government programs...inefficient, fraught with waste and little to no real effort made to actually deliver the intended result. So, throwing more money at those seems futile without addressing why they're not working in the first place. To think taking money away from law enforcement is the answer to correcting those inefficiencies, doesn't make much sense
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 09:43 PM
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WAWI
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All the homeless nut jobs will eat each other
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 09:51 PM
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Everywhere the police have been put upon with budget cuts, reductions in certain type special units, threats to remove immunity, decreased overtime etc etc have had remarkable increases in crime and it is disingenuous to think otherwise if one can read.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 09:57 PM
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Craponpie
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Austin has been weird for a long time. Maybe this will help attract all the incoming liberals to move there. I would rather keep them focused in one area than have them keep moving up here.
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Please do not be offended. I'm only here for the good time.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 09:57 PM
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Canino
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What gets me is they say they want more training and education for police, and at the same time want to cut the budget.
If you've ever worked at a PD, you know very well there is NEVER enough budget money for training. Never.
In my department fiscal year started Sept 1 and all training budget was gone by Christmas. For the rest of the year we walked by the "training opportunities" bulletin board without even looking at it. They would post new flyers, classes, etc. constantly. If you bothered to fill out a request form, it came back the next day marked DENIED - No Budget.
You can't have both well-trained officers and massive budget cuts, it simply isn't possible.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/13/20 10:08 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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"That money will be redirected instead to a wide variety of community programs and city departments, including Austin-Travis County EMS for COVID-19 response, mental health response, violence prevention and a family violence shelter and protection and victim services."
Why is that a problem? Seems obvious. We need police. In every group, about 10% are bad apples. It's the same with military and police. You don't get rid of the whole becasue of the bad apples.
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 10:18 PM
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206champion
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I dont think this will end well for Austin who are you going to call when you need the Police.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/13/20 10:28 PM
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ccw
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So tall grass are you saying that putting criminals in prison doesn’t lower crime?!.. What are you trying to say, that they were only gonna commit one crime then retire? Fool
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/13/20 10:28 PM
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Tiltman
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We will see what the quiet majority says at election time. If we go back the wild west then I guess we'll see how that plays out.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: ccw]
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08/13/20 10:39 PM
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Tallgrass05
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Read OldCrow's post, then read mine, then test your reading comprehension.
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