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Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Big O Florida] #13560109 05/16/20 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Big O Florida
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There will be some of the MLF guys fish the Opens. Some of them will fish the FLW's, some will fish the Costas or whatever they're called now. Two of them fished a $100 jackpot we had a couple weeks ago. They didn't hurt anyone's feelings. That's what they do, they fish whatever tournament that fits in their schedule or are close to home at the time.


If anglers were going to do that anyway, as you suggest, then why did MLF increase the size of the field for the FLW Pro series by 50? That’s the issue - MLF is purposely diluting the chance for a FLW pro that’s already in that series of winning a tournament. It’s just another shady business practice by a shady operation.


It’s obvious why, and it’s already been explained, but you’re being obtuse because you’re extremely biased.

MLFFLW doesn’t want its top names to fish a competing tournament, for obvious reasons, so it made the decision to give them opportunities to fish within their organizational funnel so they can try to make some money while MLFFLW retains its biggest stars. This is an unprecedented time that no one saw coming. It calls for unprecedented measures. Will it work? Maybe not. Is it a bad look? Maybe, depending on your view point. But it’s an option and they have to do what’s best for the company and anglers.

It’s a business decision. You know that, but you’re beating your drum because you or someone close to you got slighted (in your opinion) by MLF. It’s business. That’s the way it works. You don’t like the way you’re being treated, move on. That’s the great thing about this country.


But my original question to you from above when you asked if I was serious was; tell me why it wouldn’t be a better decision for the BPT angler, if they are going to “have to pay” to fish tournaments with such a large field, to pay entry fees to the entity that offers them a chance at qualifying for most long standing, stable, and proven circuit in the industry?

After all, it’s just business and it’s a business decision for the anglers, not necessarily MLF. And like you say above, if MLF doesn’t like the way they were treated, then they can move on. That’s the way it works, right?

I predict those words will play out to be truer than you think come the end of the season... for the very reason you suggest.

That contract those BPT guys signed is no longer worth the paper it’s printed on and the buy out clause certainly is not going to be enforceable.


Why don’t you ask the anglers? It’s their business decision. You’re crying about it because they haven’t made the decision you want them to or that you think makes sense. Your hatred of MLF - for whatever reason, but it clearly is personal - is blinding you.


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Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: big mike] #13560116 05/16/20 03:10 PM
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GROUT, THOSE ARE POSTS THAT I HAVE COMMENTED ON, NOT MADE!! You seem like a great guy grout. I was pointing out that EVERY post he has on here are the same. Nothing else. As for me, I've been on here many, many years. I have bought, sold, helped, made friends, donated, prayed, and offered advice to many people over the years. Maybe we should all get off of here and let big o have it to himself.


But what provokes you to come on here and tell me, or anyone for that matter that they don’t belong here and what I or they may write is prohibitive speech? You seem to be offended that I take a position about a certain group of what I firmly believe are shysters, and point out all of their contradictions, hypocrisy, and shadiness; and challenge those who seem to blindly come running to that organizations defense, like they are entitled to be shady without others pointing it out or be criticized.

So what makes you (and others) the keeper and protector of MLF’s public image? It seems there is a concerted effort here to keep information that does not reflect well on MLF or those who are part of that organization, limited or obscured so others may not be informed or be able to think for themselves. The recent post that highlighted some of the recent going on regarding the majority owner of MLF, which was entirely removed is a perfect example. It’s almost as if there is a group of people around here that do not want that type of information being widely distributed or discussed. It’s not like the info I posted about Kroenke isn’t widely available in other sources, so the purpose of suppressing it here is confusing, but revealing to say the least.

As several have pointed out, it’s really simple to just not read or participate in any thread I might start, but for some reason people just can’t control their impulses and have to start barking about what the message is about or says without being able to refute or provide something that dispels something I have written or opined on. Instead they just complain.

Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Big O Florida] #13560119 05/16/20 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by big mike
GROUT, THOSE ARE POSTS THAT I HAVE COMMENTED ON, NOT MADE!! You seem like a great guy grout. I was pointing out that EVERY post he has on here are the same. Nothing else. As for me, I've been on here many, many years. I have bought, sold, helped, made friends, donated, prayed, and offered advice to many people over the years. Maybe we should all get off of here and let big o have it to himself.

but for some reason people just can’t control their impulses


Lol, you talking about impulse control... that's rich. roflmao

Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Duck_Hunter] #13560127 05/16/20 03:21 PM
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For the most part I agree with your point of view on MLF, on this and past issues. But I wonder if your being honest, and honest with yourself if you had the success as some of the other anglers when you fished, would you have the same point of view, or be saying what your saying? Not bashing you at all. Just hard to think if you won 2 or 3 FLW tournaments, won or even qualified for the classic, had career earnings over $500k, if you’d have the same conviction you have. Obviously you know I know who you are. But I’m curious if you can answer honestly about that. Cuz if you can I’d respect that.


It’s about integrity. MLF and it’s cronies lacks it. So yes, my convictions would be the same.

If you had any integrity, you would use your real name and not hide behind a screen name.


Bingo!!!

It may be too late to reveal his real name. Too much damage done to use his real name. Easy to say the things he has been said about colleagues and people in the industry when you’re anonymous.


I’ve asked this before, but will repeat it. Just what would that change? Would it make anything I say or write less true or more true? I see you as duck_hunter... other than being able to identify the origin of a posting it means nothing to me. I base and respond to a post or message on it’s merits and relevance, and it matters not who is really behind the duck_hunter persona. You could be B. Duckett himself, and I would say the same thing, it matters not... so again, your hang up seem to be I don’t use a real name or something as if that is what you use to determine validity or credibility of any given statement. Is that the standard that should be applied to your postings too?

Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Duck_Hunter] #13560137 05/16/20 03:31 PM
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It’s obvious why, and it’s already been explained, but you’re being obtuse because you’re extremely biased.

MLFFLW doesn’t want its top names to fish a competing tournament, for obvious reasons, so it made the decision to give them opportunities to fish within their organizational funnel so they can try to make some money while MLFFLW retains its biggest stars. This is an unprecedented time that no one saw coming. It calls for unprecedented measures. Will it work? Maybe not. Is it a bad look? Maybe, depending on your view point. But it’s an option and they have to do what’s best for the company and anglers.

It’s a business decision. You know that, but you’re beating your drum because you or someone close to you got slighted (in your opinion) by MLF. It’s business. That’s the way it works. You don’t like the way you’re being treated, move on. That’s the great thing about this country.


But my original question to you from above when you asked if I was serious was; tell me why it wouldn’t be a better decision for the BPT angler, if they are going to “have to pay” to fish tournaments with such a large field, to pay entry fees to the entity that offers them a chance at qualifying for most long standing, stable, and proven circuit in the industry?

After all, it’s just business and it’s a business decision for the anglers, not necessarily MLF. And like you say above, if MLF doesn’t like the way they were treated, then they can move on. That’s the way it works, right?

I predict those words will play out to be truer than you think come the end of the season... for the very reason you suggest.

That contract those BPT guys signed is no longer worth the paper it’s printed on and the buy out clause certainly is not going to be enforceable.


Why don’t you ask the anglers? It’s their business decision. You’re crying about it because they haven’t made the decision you want them to or that you think makes sense. Your hatred of MLF - for whatever reason, but it clearly is personal - is blinding you.


What makes you think some haven’t already spoken about it, privately? But glad you seemingly now acknowledge it is the business decision of the angler, and not MLF. If that’s the case, then why did MLF ignore the anglers when they voted against the idea 2x? Isn’t them doing do and putting out a press release saying 50 of the BPT anglers would be joining? That’s almost as if that was intended to intimidate the anglers into joining those tournaments, despite what they voted against.

Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Big O Florida] #13560321 05/16/20 05:50 PM
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I’ve asked this before, but will repeat it. Just what would that change? Would it make anything I say or write less true or more true?


It would not make anything more or less true but it would give some validation especially to the unsubstantiated or opinionated posts. You clearly speak as if you’re an insider. I don’t care if you do or you don’t reveal but my question would be “what have you got to lose if you did?” The next one would be “are you willing to risk that loss?” If the answer is no to the second question you should probably just stop because without validation you will never change people’s opinions on this whole subject. The status quo will never change. There is a clear set of lines drawn with your posts in regards to the other posters. You have not changed anybody’s minds one way or the other. Don’t try saying you are getting the info out for people to form their own opinions. You clearly have an agenda of trying to expose something real or not to your way of thinking.
Don’t quit posting though. There is entertainment in them and maybe that’s your goal here. At least until you get banned which is almost inevitable it would seem but that would be a shame also.

Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Big O Florida] #13560325 05/16/20 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter

It’s obvious why, and it’s already been explained, but you’re being obtuse because you’re extremely biased.

MLFFLW doesn’t want its top names to fish a competing tournament, for obvious reasons, so it made the decision to give them opportunities to fish within their organizational funnel so they can try to make some money while MLFFLW retains its biggest stars. This is an unprecedented time that no one saw coming. It calls for unprecedented measures. Will it work? Maybe not. Is it a bad look? Maybe, depending on your view point. But it’s an option and they have to do what’s best for the company and anglers.

It’s a business decision. You know that, but you’re beating your drum because you or someone close to you got slighted (in your opinion) by MLF. It’s business. That’s the way it works. You don’t like the way you’re being treated, move on. That’s the great thing about this country.


But my original question to you from above when you asked if I was serious was; tell me why it wouldn’t be a better decision for the BPT angler, if they are going to “have to pay” to fish tournaments with such a large field, to pay entry fees to the entity that offers them a chance at qualifying for most long standing, stable, and proven circuit in the industry?

After all, it’s just business and it’s a business decision for the anglers, not necessarily MLF. And like you say above, if MLF doesn’t like the way they were treated, then they can move on. That’s the way it works, right?

I predict those words will play out to be truer than you think come the end of the season... for the very reason you suggest.

That contract those BPT guys signed is no longer worth the paper it’s printed on and the buy out clause certainly is not going to be enforceable.


Why don’t you ask the anglers? It’s their business decision. You’re crying about it because they haven’t made the decision you want them to or that you think makes sense. Your hatred of MLF - for whatever reason, but it clearly is personal - is blinding you.


What makes you think some haven’t already spoken about it, privately? But glad you seemingly now acknowledge it is the business decision of the angler, and not MLF. If that’s the case, then why did MLF ignore the anglers when they voted against the idea 2x? Isn’t them doing do and putting out a press release saying 50 of the BPT anglers would be joining? That’s almost as if that was intended to intimidate the anglers into joining those tournaments, despite what they voted against.


It’s both. It’s a business decision for both the angler and MLF. How is this not clear to you? Again, because you want MLF to fail so badly, you continue to pick and choose whatever argument you think supports your opinion that MLF (and sometimes the MLF anglers) are liars, cheaters, thieves and whatever other disparaging remarks you can think of.

What makes me think they haven’t spoken about it privately? I don't think that. I don’t have an opinion on it or any waY of knowing that. I don’t even care about that.


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Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Big O Florida] #13560339 05/16/20 06:06 PM
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Bingo!!!

It may be too late to reveal his real name. Too much damage done to use his real name. Easy to say the things he has been said about colleagues and people in the industry when you’re anonymous.


I’ve asked this before, but will repeat it. Just what would that change? Would it make anything I say or write less true or more true? I see you as duck_hunter... other than being able to identify the origin of a posting it means nothing to me. I base and respond to a post or message on it’s merits and relevance, and it matters not who is really behind the duck_hunter persona. You could be B. Duckett himself, and I would say the same thing, it matters not... so again, your hang up seem to be I don’t use a real name or something as if that is what you use to determine validity or credibility of any given statement. Is that the standard that should be applied to your postings too?


It would change everything. If you’re a professional angler in the BASS or FLW ecosystems, it would change the way you’re perceived in those organizations, due to the disparaging remarks you’ve made about others in the bass fishing world. It would (or maybe not) lend credence to your postings about this topic (the only topic you spend time posting about). It may or may not validate some of the things you say here, which otherwise have no validity and appear to be you throwing mud against a wall to see what sticks.

Using me as an example is ridiculous. I’m not on this forum for the sole purpose of trash talking an organization that I clearly have some sort of affiliation with (whether I or someone close to me was spurned by it).. I joined the forum to learn and talk about fishing. You joined it to talk trash about MLF and stir the pot anonymously.

If it wouldn’t change anything, in your opinion, then there is no reason to stay anonymous. In fact, it would validate some of the information you claim is true but unverifiable. But, like I said, you’re in too deep to come out now, because I suspect it would impact your career. And if you really are just a fan and not somehow connected to one of the tours, then you’re just a troll. Either way, you lack integrity, which is how we started down this ridiculous rabbit hole.


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He doesn't contribute to the forum, it just became his soapbox to spread his hate. I don't think that I have ever seen anyone get suspended so fast on this site. When he gets suspended the forum goes back to normal and we get actual fishing discussions. I am looking forward to the next ban so it will last longer and we can get rid of the troll or move this to another section of the forum. It's a waste of ban width

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Hey so are you going to get busy with your new promotion, and we won’t get to see any more posts from you, or you going to keep rolling on? Your pretty much solidified in the industry now, going the non fishing route so who cares. I’ll
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Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Bobby Milam] #13560544 05/16/20 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby Milam
He doesn't contribute to the forum, it just became his soapbox to spread his hate. I don't think that I have ever seen anyone get suspended so fast on this site. When he gets suspended the forum goes back to normal and we get actual fishing discussions. I am looking forward to the next ban so it will last longer and we can get rid of the troll or move this to another section of the forum. It's a waste of ban width




Seriously man, how does anything that he post keep you or anyone else from discussing fishing. You guys are about the biggest fricking titty babies that I have ever seen.

Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Bobby Milam] #13560563 05/16/20 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby Milam
He doesn't contribute to the forum, it just became his soapbox to spread his hate. I don't think that I have ever seen anyone get suspended so fast on this site. When he gets suspended the forum goes back to normal and we get actual fishing discussions. I am looking forward to the next ban so it will last longer and we can get rid of the troll or move this to another section of the forum. It's a waste of ban width


Ya that makes zero sense. If you hate his post or discussions why do you even click on them or read them?? Just read the ones about fishing that interest you. 🤦🏽‍♂️

Re: BPT anglers coerced into paying entry fees for FLW pro circuit special events [Re: Bobby Milam] #13560624 05/16/20 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby Milam
When he gets suspended the forum goes back to normal and we get actual fishing discussions. I am looking forward to the next ban so it will last longer and we can get rid of the troll or move this to another section of the forum. It's a waste of ban width


Normal like. Are the ramps open ?, Braid or mono ? , What’s the best boat ?..... etc...

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