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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: Jpurdue] #13500433 04/03/20 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
"Viral RNA turned up on hard to reach surfaces, as well as in air samplers more than 2 meters from the patients. The presence of the RNA indicates virus can spread via aerosols, Santarpia and his colleagues concluded, although they did not find infectious viral particles."

That just means they found the remains of what were once infections particles. RNA is to a virus as DNA is to us.


So they think it can travel by air but the particles they found were not infectious? So does it stop being infectious when it gets on something or not? That is the part that seems contradictory.

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Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
"Viral RNA turned up on hard to reach surfaces, as well as in air samplers more than 2 meters from the patients. The presence of the RNA indicates virus can spread via aerosols, Santarpia and his colleagues concluded, although they did not find infectious viral particles."

That just means they found the remains of what were once infections particles. RNA is to a virus as DNA is to us.


So they think it can travel by air but the particles they found were not infectious? So does it stop being infectious when it gets on something or not? That is the part that seems contradictory.


I think they just found it after it had died and was no longer infectious. (I understand viruses aren't really alive, that's just the best analogy I can think of it.). I think they actually probably essentially melt, as they have a lipid envelope. So there outside wall is basically made of fat. Once that dissolves, you'd have the RNA left, but a virus that was essentially dead. A virus carcass if you.


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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: Mark Perry] #13500554 04/03/20 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Perry
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
"Viral RNA turned up on hard to reach surfaces, as well as in air samplers more than 2 meters from the patients. The presence of the RNA indicates virus can spread via aerosols, Santarpia and his colleagues concluded, although they did not find infectious viral particles."

That just means they found the remains of what were once infections particles. RNA is to a virus as DNA is to us.


So they think it can travel by air but the particles they found were not infectious? So does it stop being infectious when it gets on something or not? That is the part that seems contradictory.


Some of the same info and some new.
https://www.nap.edu/read/25769/chapter/1

Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: JacksonBean] #13500562 04/03/20 08:14 PM
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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: kennerdude] #13500565 04/03/20 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kennerdude
A surgeon friend of mine and his team must wait 10-15 minutes for an air exchange to occur in the OR before entering.
The only person in the OR during that time is the anesthesiologist. Apparently they believe it can spread thru aerosol and travel thru air vents etc.



You’re friend is correct. A hospital setting is a high risk environment because aerosols are routinely generated when they use ventilators, air purifiers, certain breathing treatments, etc.

That’s why a hospital is the last place you want to be right now if you can help it and also why they need the N95 masks.


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Viruses are intracellular parasites. They have RNA or DNA but not both. A virus multiplies inside living cells by using that cells machinery. Some are nonenveloped and some have an envelope. Forces the host cell to prod more viral nucleic acid and more viral proteins which are assembled into new viruse.


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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: Jpurdue] #13500579 04/03/20 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
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"Viral RNA turned up on hard to reach surfaces, as well as in air samplers more than 2 meters from the patients. The presence of the RNA indicates virus can spread via aerosols, Santarpia and his colleagues concluded, although they did not find infectious viral particles."

That just means they found the remains of what were once infections particles. RNA is to a virus as DNA is to us.


So they think it can travel by air but the particles they found were not infectious? So does it stop being infectious when it gets on something or not? That is the part that seems contradictory.


I think they just found it after it had died and was no longer infectious. (I understand viruses aren't really alive, that's just the best analogy I can think of it.). I think they actually probably essentially melt, as they have a lipid envelope. So there outside wall is basically made of fat. Once that dissolves, you'd have the RNA left, but a virus that was essentially dead. A virus carcass if you.



I took it to mean the virus either got sneezed or coughed onto a “hard to reach place” and then “died” (became non-infectious) or these RNA remnants got blown around as they do in hospital settings. The fact that there were no viable viruses on the surfaces tested is a head scratcher but follows along with what we’d previously understood regarding transmission modes.


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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: ToadSnatcher14] #13500588 04/03/20 08:35 PM
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An opinion piece from the New York Times?! Really, Toad Snatcher?

I never thought I’d say this but I really think he’s on to something!

Thanks for posting.


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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: JacksonBean] #13500753 04/03/20 10:31 PM
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Duh, China sent it over in toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, shaving cream, and everything else you touch


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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: JacksonBean] #13500809 04/03/20 11:23 PM
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You are welcome. It’s just this persons educated hypothesis....

Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: JacksonBean] #13500925 04/04/20 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JacksonBean
Originally Posted by kennerdude
A surgeon friend of mine and his team must wait 10-15 minutes for an air exchange to occur in the OR before entering.
The only person in the OR during that time is the anesthesiologist. Apparently they believe it can spread thru aerosol and travel thru air vents etc.



You’re friend is correct. A hospital setting is a high risk environment because aerosols are routinely generated when they use ventilators, air purifiers, certain breathing treatments, etc.

That’s why a hospital is the last place you want to be right now if you can help it and also why they need the N95 masks.


An operating room by design is positive pressure, with 20 air changes per hour. This means the entire room has new air in it every 3 minutes. The problem with ORs is they are designed to blow the virus out of the room. Into the sterile corridors. Surgeons are not generally operating on infectious persons. Infectious Isolation requires negative pressure where all air leaves through exhaust fans and out of the building. The air from the corridor is pulled into the space. You can not do this in an operating room because a person who has been opened up can not risk having the air from the corridor pulled into them. Staph and other infections will shut down an OR, and get surgeons sued.
Not sure they are performing a lot of surgeries on these folks as they may not be able to bring them out of anesthesia.


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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: JacksonBean] #13500975 04/04/20 01:27 AM
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I’ve been hoping that this thing wasn’t airborne. I’ve been assuming that, the way my luck runs, it will be though.

Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: kennerdude] #13500992 04/04/20 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kennerdude
Viruses are intracellular parasites. They have RNA or DNA but not both. A virus multiplies inside living cells by using that cells machinery. Some are nonenveloped and some have an envelope. Forces the host cell to prod more viral nucleic acid and more viral proteins which are assembled into new viruse.



I was just about to says this but you beat me to it. I concur with what you said.


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Re: Covid19 Spread Through the Air? [Re: Mudshark] #13501012 04/04/20 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mudshark
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Viruses are intracellular parasites. They have RNA or DNA but not both. A virus multiplies inside living cells by using that cells machinery. Some are nonenveloped and some have an envelope. Forces the host cell to prod more viral nucleic acid and more viral proteins which are assembled into new viruse.



I was just about to says this but you beat me to it. I concur with what you said.

Doe this mean our cell phones are not safe?


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