Forums59
Topics1,038,938
Posts13,955,886
Members144,183
|
Most Online39,925 Dec 30th, 2023
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: Dan90210 ☮]
#13481187
03/21/20 05:56 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 7,512
Kentucky
TFF Celebrity
|
TFF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 7,512 |
a FNG with 6 months of experience
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: 9094]
#13481191
03/21/20 06:10 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 32,920
Scagnetti
TFF Guru
|
TFF Guru
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 32,920 |
Now that daily cases have dwindled into the single digits, China has mounted an offensive to help the rest of the world get the virus under control.
From Japan to Iraq, Spain to Peru, China has provided humanitarian assistance and positioned themselves as the responsible global leader at a moment of worldwide crisis.
In doing so, it has stepped into a role that the West once dominated in times of natural disaster or public health emergency, and that Trump has increasingly ceded in his “America First” retreat from international engagement.
This is the first major global crisis in decades without meaningful U.S. leadership and with significant Chinese leadership.
It was but a few years ago that America led the fight against Ebola and now America fumbles and staggers to find a single united strategy.
Best advice for this generation and those who want to move forward is to learn Mandarin Chinese
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: 9094]
#13481227
03/21/20 09:09 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 40,819
CCTX
mapquest
|
mapquest
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 40,819 |
I know you are joking, but learning Mandarin is a good idea The Red Cross (an American institution) has established itself as the world’s leader in humanitarian relief Has American leadership fumbled on this one, yes But years of the Chinese silencing foreign reporters and worse is not quickly forgotten.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: Kentucky]
#13481231
03/21/20 09:44 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 25,752
elcoyote, esq.
TFF Guru
|
TFF Guru
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 25,752 |
a FNG with 6 months of experience
Team wolfs I had to perform. It took a minute to get it all in my mouth and another five to swallow it all.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: 9094]
#13481237
03/21/20 10:18 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 30,319
RedRanger
burro desagradable
|
burro desagradable
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 30,319 |
I would never trust anything that Japan, They are sneaky and can't be trusted So Japan was one of the first countries hit yet only has 900 cases total and few deaths. They have not locked down the public, closed businesses, or collapsed their economy in panic. Japan is one of the most concentrated populations on earth yet people are not dying or even getting sick They are not diagnosing every cold with fever as corona virus and are actually testing for it. We are not testing everyone and saying everyone with the cold and fever has it. Japan smart, America dumb. Japan attacked the USA, Never Forget, Never Forgive You go to other countries than US or Japan and their people will not make direct eye contact with US citizens due to Pearl Harbor
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: 9094]
#13481252
03/21/20 11:03 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 40,819
CCTX
mapquest
|
mapquest
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 40,819 |
Yes. My folks have lived in Indonesia, Japan, S Korea, and Singapore In general, the different Far East Asian countries don’t trust each other
Many people clearly remember Japan’s play for the entire region.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: Dan90210 ☮]
#13481278
03/21/20 11:59 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 49,398
RATZ
Activity Coordinator
|
Activity Coordinator
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 49,398 |
family nurse practitioner
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
#13481309
03/21/20 12:39 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,133
9094
OP
TFF Guru
|
OP
TFF Guru
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,133 |
Are we diagnosing every cold with fever as CV? My daughter is a FNP and yes that has been the standard. Had a patient at Scott and White ER that came in with a fever sore throat and shortness of breath and they said he had it no test sent him home as low risk. No test but marked him up as second confirmed case in Temple. That is the MO so far. Said there weren’t enough tests to test everyone. Surely that’s a precaution. Meaning, we don’t have enough test kits, so we take those at low risk of dying/high probability of surviving on their own, and send the,home without testing and saving the test kits for those at risk of dying from this (olds, auto-immune deficient) This would be like diagnosing because you test negative for the flu, but not wanting waste a test because you probably will survive on your own, and also convincing you to self quarantine, which frees up a bed for someone who might die from it, while also minimizing the chance you spread it to someone who might die. Right? But that doesn’t mean they’re diagnosing you with it technically, or am I wrong? No they are diagnosing it as corona virus period. And the diagnose is going into the national count. How does anyone think they came up up with the numbers before we even had test available? Watching FOX this morning they said suspected corona virus cases when interviewing a nurse. I guess they are catching on. Japan has TESTED 18,000 people with symptoms and had 900 actual cases. Kinda of tells a different story.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: 9094]
#13481333
03/21/20 12:55 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362
WAWI
TFF Guru
|
TFF Guru
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362 |
I think we will wake up one day and find out this was one of the biggest tricks played out on the american public ever.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: 9094]
#13481342
03/21/20 01:01 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362
WAWI
TFF Guru
|
TFF Guru
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362 |
And in case you were wondering there have been 370,000 cases of flu resulting in hospitalization in America this year, 22,000 deaths this year in the United States from flu......
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: WAWI]
#13481393
03/21/20 01:46 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 654
Bug-e
Pro Angler
|
Pro Angler
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 654 |
And in case you were wondering there have been 370,000 cases of flu resulting in hospitalization in America this year, 22,000 deaths this year in the United States from flu...... These are great data to use for comparison. 22,000 deaths even though there's a vaccine that's at least partially effective, even though the flu virus is far less contagious than this coronavirus, even though there's some natural immunity in the population because this year's flu strain is very similar to flu strains that humans have been exposed to for basically their entire lives, this many flu deaths even though the flu virus does not have as long of a latency period than this coronavirus (you typically don't walk around for two week with an active flu infection while shedding virus particles), etc. This virus is 2 to 10 times deadlier than the flu virus and is many, many, many times more infectious than the flu. This virus has the very, very realistic potential to infect 70% or more of the population of America in a relatively short period of time if not checked (like six to nine months, 18 months max). I understand the skepticism and you are looking at the right data, but you are drawing the wrong conclusion from the flu data. 22,000 have died in the USA from the flu and this thing has way, way more potential to spread and kill than the flu. Way more. If we don't stomp on this enemy hard and fast with public health measures now, then we are screwed. Again, I strongly empathize with the skepticism. This is an insane situation. It's hard to believe that this is real. But the flu numbers don't lie. The flu has infected 370,000 and killed 22,000 even though there's a vaccine, some level of natural immunity in the US population, the virus is far less infectious, etc. Folks are looking at the wrong side of the coin, so to speak, with the flu data.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: Bug-e]
#13481403
03/21/20 01:54 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362
WAWI
TFF Guru
|
TFF Guru
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362 |
And in case you were wondering there have been 370,000 cases of flu resulting in hospitalization in America this year, 22,000 deaths this year in the United States from flu...... These are great data to use for comparison. 22,000 deaths even though there's a vaccine that's at least partially effective, even though the flu virus is far less contagious than this coronavirus, even though there's some natural immunity in the population because this year's flu strain is very similar to flu strains that humans have been exposed to for basically their entire lives, this many flu deaths even though the flu virus does not have as long of a latency period than this coronavirus (you typically don't walk around for two week with an active flu infection while shedding virus particles), etc. This virus is 2 to 10 times deadlier than the flu virus and is many, many, many times more infectious than the flu. This virus has the very, very realistic potential to infect 70% or more of the population of America in a relatively short period of time if not checked (like six to nine months, 18 months max). I understand the skepticism and you are looking at the right data, but you are drawing the wrong conclusion from the flu data. 22,000 have died in the USA from the flu and this thing has way, way more potential to spread and kill than the flu. Way more. If we don't stomp on this enemy hard and fast with public health measures now, then we are screwed. Again, I strongly empathize with the skepticism. This is an insane situation. It's hard to believe that this is real. But the flu numbers don't lie. The flu has infected 370,000 and killed 22,000 even though there's a vaccine, some level of natural immunity in the US population, the virus is far less infectious, etc. Folks are looking at the wrong side of the coin, so to speak, with the flu data. 370000 hospitalizations, I'll flip it, with all the the immunity, immunizations, etc for the flu its still so deadly it has wiped out a town the size of corsicana this year so far. Yet we dont destroy the economy, shut down business, schools, tell people to lock down, we dont even require flu shots which are cheap and readily available. Yet here we sit with this mess......
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: WAWI]
#13481408
03/21/20 01:59 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,283
Snakeyes711
Extreme Angler
|
Extreme Angler
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,283 |
I think we will wake up one day and find out this was one of the biggest tricks played out on the american public ever. My cinnamons exactly.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: WAWI]
#13481472
03/21/20 02:32 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 654
Bug-e
Pro Angler
|
Pro Angler
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 654 |
And in case you were wondering there have been 370,000 cases of flu resulting in hospitalization in America this year, 22,000 deaths this year in the United States from flu...... These are great data to use for comparison. 22,000 deaths even though there's a vaccine that's at least partially effective, even though the flu virus is far less contagious than this coronavirus, even though there's some natural immunity in the population because this year's flu strain is very similar to flu strains that humans have been exposed to for basically their entire lives, this many flu deaths even though the flu virus does not have as long of a latency period than this coronavirus (you typically don't walk around for two week with an active flu infection while shedding virus particles), etc. This virus is 2 to 10 times deadlier than the flu virus and is many, many, many times more infectious than the flu. This virus has the very, very realistic potential to infect 70% or more of the population of America in a relatively short period of time if not checked (like six to nine months, 18 months max). I understand the skepticism and you are looking at the right data, but you are drawing the wrong conclusion from the flu data. 22,000 have died in the USA from the flu and this thing has way, way more potential to spread and kill than the flu. Way more. If we don't stomp on this enemy hard and fast with public health measures now, then we are screwed. Again, I strongly empathize with the skepticism. This is an insane situation. It's hard to believe that this is real. But the flu numbers don't lie. The flu has infected 370,000 and killed 22,000 even though there's a vaccine, some level of natural immunity in the US population, the virus is far less infectious, etc. Folks are looking at the wrong side of the coin, so to speak, with the flu data. 370000 hospitalizations, I'll flip it, with all the the immunity, immunizations, etc for the flu its still so deadly it has wiped out a town the size of corsicana this year so far. Yet we dont destroy the economy, shut down business, schools, tell people to lock down, we dont even require flu shots which are cheap and readily available. Yet here we sit with this mess...... That's right. We don't. Coronavirus could realistically infect 200,000,000 Americans, not 370,000. If the flu infected 200,000,000 a year, then it would be like 1918 and the flu would shut down the country. That's one part of the big difference (the flu infects far, far fewer people than Corona). The second big difference is that this kills a higher percentage of infected people than the flu. It's a double whammy. Corona could easily kill 2,000,000 in the USA if not stomped on. Part of me just doesn't want to believe that this is real, but the math is painfully, horrifically straight forward. If 2,000,000 were to die in a six month time frame, then the country would be hit even harder than this. It's an insane situation. Unfortunately epidemiologist and public health professionals have been predicting something like this for at least 20 years and we have not prepared well. Extremely high human populations in large parts of the world plus extremely fast movement of humans makes an outbreak like this basically inevitable. Hopefully after this horrific nightmare is over we will be far better prepared for the next one because it will come unless we develop something like a drug/vaccine that provide immunity from a whole family of viruses like coronaviruses. Our decentralized government is great for many things, but terrible at other things. Preventative public health stuff should be treated more like military defense. We need the ability to rapidly and successfully deploy tests, stockpile equipment and supplies, etc., for rainy days like this. Anyway, I don't mean to be combative or pushy, but the math is very straightforward and very horrifying. I don't want to believe this is real, but the math is simple and painful. I think Lincoln said something about the "awful arithmetic" of the civil war. Fits for this.
|
|
Re: Japan
[Re: 9094]
#13481481
03/21/20 02:37 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362
WAWI
TFF Guru
|
TFF Guru
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 40,362 |
Again 370, 000 hospitalizations not infections, infection are millions
|
|
Moderated by banker-always fishing, chickenman, Derek 🐝, Duck_Hunter, Fish Killer, J-2, Jacob, Jons3825, JustWingem, Nocona Brian, Toon-Troller, Uncle Zeek, Weekender1
|