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 Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
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03/20/20 04:18 AM
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Y'all are interpreting the law the wrong way. We've all weighed in fish that had hooks outside the mouth, topwaters and crankbaits do this all the time. Lipless often do it too. The law is for intention. I've caught plenty of fish on a tx rig outside the mouth, not sight fishing. It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take fish by foul-hooking, snagging, or jerking. A fish is foul-hooked when caught by a hook in an area other than the fish's mouth. Take or attempt to take covers both incidental and intentional foul-hooking. Whether you meant to or not, it's unlawful to take possession of a foul-hooked fish. If anyone can provide credible evidence to support the interpretation that it's only about intent and that TPWD supports weighting foul-hooked fish in a tournament, I can admit I am wrong. As of right now, I'm sticking to my guns on this and saying it's wrong to bring foul-hooked fish to weigh in. You are reading the law wrong. "It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take a fish by foul hooking, snagging, or jerking." The law is saying that it is illegal if your take or attempt to take is by the act of trying to foul hook, snag or jerk your bait into a fish on purpose. It is not illegal in Texas to accidentaly hook a fish that strikes a lure outside of the mouth. Trust me.  I bet this guy may or may not be a Texas Gw but what do I know...
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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03/20/20 04:50 AM
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You could ask 10 Game Wardens this question and I bet you would get multiple answers.  I bet 10 would emphasize the "intentional" part. No game warden in this state will give you a ticket for catching a bass hooked outside its mouth on a crankbait.... I agree 100%. 
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
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03/20/20 04:52 AM
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The law as it is written doesn't really apply to MLF regardless of how you interpret it. Since they don't keep fish there is no possession therefore there was no taking or attempting to take a fish by foul hooking. As far as snagging intentionally while sight fishing it would just be his word vs someone else's. In this case the official sided with Sprague. From that point on everything becomes moot. You have a guy saying "that is not the fish I was targeting" and another guy 5ft from him saying "I agree. It's a legal catch." It ended right there. You are correct!
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Smash-Tech Custom Baits]
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03/20/20 04:56 AM
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BigDozer66
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Y'all are interpreting the law the wrong way. We've all weighed in fish that had hooks outside the mouth, topwaters and crankbaits do this all the time. Lipless often do it too. The law is for intention. I've caught plenty of fish on a tx rig outside the mouth, not sight fishing. It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take fish by foul-hooking, snagging, or jerking. A fish is foul-hooked when caught by a hook in an area other than the fish's mouth. Take or attempt to take covers both incidental and intentional foul-hooking. Whether you meant to or not, it's unlawful to take possession of a foul-hooked fish. If anyone can provide credible evidence to support the interpretation that it's only about intent and that TPWD supports weighting foul-hooked fish in a tournament, I can admit I am wrong. As of right now, I'm sticking to my guns on this and saying it's wrong to bring foul-hooked fish to weigh in. You are reading the law wrong. "It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take a fish by foul hooking, snagging, or jerking." The law is saying that it is illegal if your take or attempt to take is by the act of trying to foul hook, snag or jerk your bait into a fish on purpose. It is not illegal in Texas to accidentally hook a fish that strikes a lure outside of the mouth. Trust me. I agree completely but I bet others will still cry foul!
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
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03/20/20 12:18 PM
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There you go. A gamewardens word is good enough for me. Not that I ever questioned this.
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
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03/20/20 12:25 PM
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Smash-Tech Custom Baits]
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03/20/20 12:59 PM
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Y'all are interpreting the law the wrong way. We've all weighed in fish that had hooks outside the mouth, topwaters and crankbaits do this all the time. Lipless often do it too. The law is for intention. I've caught plenty of fish on a tx rig outside the mouth, not sight fishing. It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take fish by foul-hooking, snagging, or jerking. A fish is foul-hooked when caught by a hook in an area other than the fish's mouth. Take or attempt to take covers both incidental and intentional foul-hooking. Whether you meant to or not, it's unlawful to take possession of a foul-hooked fish. If anyone can provide credible evidence to support the interpretation that it's only about intent and that TPWD supports weighting foul-hooked fish in a tournament, I can admit I am wrong. As of right now, I'm sticking to my guns on this and saying it's wrong to bring foul-hooked fish to weigh in. You are reading the law wrong. "It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take a fish by foul hooking, snagging, or jerking." The law is saying that it is illegal if your take or attempt to take is by the act of trying to foul hook, snag or jerk your bait into a fish on purpose. It is not illegal in Texas to accidentaly hook a fish that strikes a lure outside of the mouth. Trust me. I stand corrected and I was wrong. The above response settles it for me.
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: SmalljawNH]
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03/20/20 07:10 PM
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Y'all are interpreting the law the wrong way. We've all weighed in fish that had hooks outside the mouth, topwaters and crankbaits do this all the time. Lipless often do it too. The law is for intention. I've caught plenty of fish on a tx rig outside the mouth, not sight fishing. It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take fish by foul-hooking, snagging, or jerking. A fish is foul-hooked when caught by a hook in an area other than the fish's mouth. Take or attempt to take covers both incidental and intentional foul-hooking. Whether you meant to or not, it's unlawful to take possession of a foul-hooked fish. If anyone can provide credible evidence to support the interpretation that it's only about intent and that TPWD supports weighting foul-hooked fish in a tournament, I can admit I am wrong. As of right now, I'm sticking to my guns on this and saying it's wrong to bring foul-hooked fish to weigh in. You are reading the law wrong. "It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take a fish by foul hooking, snagging, or jerking." The law is saying that it is illegal if your take or attempt to take is by the act of trying to foul hook, snag or jerk your bait into a fish on purpose. It is not illegal in Texas to accidentaly hook a fish that strikes a lure outside of the mouth. Trust me. I stand corrected and I was wrong. The above response settles it for me.
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Barrett]
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03/21/20 12:17 AM
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Bobby Milam
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Y'all are interpreting the law the wrong way. We've all weighed in fish that had hooks outside the mouth, topwaters and crankbaits do this all the time. Lipless often do it too. The law is for intention. I've caught plenty of fish on a tx rig outside the mouth, not sight fishing. It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take fish by foul-hooking, snagging, or jerking. A fish is foul-hooked when caught by a hook in an area other than the fish's mouth. Take or attempt to take covers both incidental and intentional foul-hooking. Whether you meant to or not, it's unlawful to take possession of a foul-hooked fish. If anyone can provide credible evidence to support the interpretation that it's only about intent and that TPWD supports weighting foul-hooked fish in a tournament, I can admit I am wrong. As of right now, I'm sticking to my guns on this and saying it's wrong to bring foul-hooked fish to weigh in. You are reading the law wrong. "It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take a fish by foul hooking, snagging, or jerking." The law is saying that it is illegal if your take or attempt to take is by the act of trying to foul hook, snag or jerk your bait into a fish on purpose. It is not illegal in Texas to accidentaly hook a fish that strikes a lure outside of the mouth. Trust me. I bet this guy may or may not be a Texas Gw but what do I know... But we all know that not all game wardens interpret the law the same way. No where in that does it define intent but then again these Outdoor Annual pamphlets are only an abbreviated version of the actual law. You would have to look at the actual complete law on the books and also the definitions to find out what their meaning of take is also. Does take mean to catch or to keep?
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Clark3]
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03/21/20 12:40 AM
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Dude, it's not that hard to understand
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Clark3]
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03/21/20 01:19 AM
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Out of all the fish and game laws that are argued on here I never thought it would be this one. It is pretty dang simple to understand
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Smash-Tech Custom Baits]
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03/21/20 03:25 AM
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Y'all are interpreting the law the wrong way. We've all weighed in fish that had hooks outside the mouth, topwaters and crankbaits do this all the time. Lipless often do it too. The law is for intention. I've caught plenty of fish on a tx rig outside the mouth, not sight fishing. It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take fish by foul-hooking, snagging, or jerking. A fish is foul-hooked when caught by a hook in an area other than the fish's mouth. Take or attempt to take covers both incidental and intentional foul-hooking. Whether you meant to or not, it's unlawful to take possession of a foul-hooked fish. If anyone can provide credible evidence to support the interpretation that it's only about intent and that TPWD supports weighting foul-hooked fish in a tournament, I can admit I am wrong. As of right now, I'm sticking to my guns on this and saying it's wrong to bring foul-hooked fish to weigh in. You are reading the law wrong. "It is unlawful to use a pole and line to take or attempt to take a fish by foul hooking, snagging, or jerking." The law is saying that it is illegal if your take or attempt to take is by the act of trying to foul hook, snag or jerk your bait into a fish on purpose. It is not illegal in Texas to accidentaly hook a fish that strikes a lure outside of the mouth. Trust me. What he Said  is Correct.
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
[Re: Clark3]
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04/07/20 06:41 PM
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I mean, how intentional was that??? Are you kidding me!
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Re: MlF posted video of spragues snagged fish
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04/07/20 07:10 PM
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I mean, how intentional was that??? Are you kidding me! They need to just kick this guy off the tour, with Martens not fishing the rest of the year they need to have an even # of anglers.
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