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Casting reel #13429545 02/06/20 06:10 PM
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There are some casting reels out there (or so I have read) that make it just about impossible
to backlash on the cast. Wondering what makes they are and if their really that good at compensating
for operator error.

I have used spinning gear all my life so looking for something that will help with the learning curve.

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Re: Casting reel [Re: kirbydog] #13429560 02/06/20 06:19 PM
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Re: Casting reel [Re: kirbydog] #13429570 02/06/20 06:24 PM
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Actually I think there is a baitcaster reel made by Shimano that has electronic backlash control built in. Not sure the model number. They were pretty pricey , not sure if they still are.

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Shimano makes a Curado 150 DC ($249.99) and the SLX DC ($189.99). I finally bought a Curado 151 DC on Monday. I haven't made a cast with it yet but will let you know what I think. I was told by someone who deep cranks a lot that it outcasts the other reels he's tried. Those are the only two reels I'm aware of with that technology.

With all that said, you don't need to spend that much money to learn. A less expensive bait caster spooled with inexpensive mono and a jig is a good start. Set your cast controls and try not to get discouraged. If you blow up a reel, don't worry about it. Everyone does. Eventually you train your thumb and your cast controls and backlash settings will become pretty loose.

If you have the money and are so inclined, by all means, try one of those reels. Definitely not necessary though.


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Re: Casting reel [Re: kirbydog] #13429580 02/06/20 06:30 PM
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Your referring to the Shimano DC reels. They come in the Curado and SLX series I believe. Never used one but I have heard people make the claim that it is extremely difficult to overrun. Quantum also makes one but can't remember the model. I am a Daiwa user. Mainly Tatula TW SV and Tatula 150. I have found that the Daiwa is one of the most user friendly reels out there. Very low backlash occurence but I have been using baitcasters for years though. If you don't want to spend the money right away my suggestion is to make sure you get a reel that has a dual braking system. It will help.

Re: Casting reel [Re: kirbydog] #13429591 02/06/20 06:38 PM
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So the price has come down on these. I think when they first came out they where closer to 500 bucks.

I'm a Curado user myself. I still have some of the 200SFs that are still going strong. They are super easy to breakdown and clean and lube.

I was using Ardents for awhile also. Talk about a long casting reel. They where easy to breakdown and clean too. They just didn't hold up mechanically.

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I don't think that you can guarantee no backlashes. That being said having a more sophisticated braking system can help a bit, but even "high end" reel can be finicky. I had several RevoSTXv3s that I loved. Got an "improved" STXv4 that I could not get adjusted properly to throw lighter baits. With a 3/4oz jig it works but go to a finesse, weightless plastic, forget it. My Lew's reels have been much more consistent (I have 6 Tournament ProG's and one super duty and love all of them).

Biggest pieces of advice are:

(1) don't spool up your first bait caster with expensive braid or fluorocarbon while you are learning with it because you are going to backlash and have to cut it off. Use some decent size mono (15-20lb) that is cheap. You can always use that as backing later on.

(2) Make sure you have the rod weight/power matched to the weight of the bait you are throwing. You will have a lot less problems while learning if you aren't trying to throw a light weight on a heavy rod. That will cause you to try to throw it harder which will lead to more backlashes. As I tell my 9 year old who is learning "let the rod do the work" to throw the weight not your hand speed.

Practice in your backyard using just a lead weight or the like to get the feel of it. Hope this helps.

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What jvc58dke said. With the Shimano DC reels, backlashes are greatly reduced but even a DC reel will backlash like a champ if it's not setup right. Don't ask me how I know. grin

Shimano makes another DC reel, the Metanium, but that one is almost $500. I have a couple Curado DCs, an SLX DC, and a Scorpion DC from Japan. The Scorpion is in the Curado price range but isn't sold in the US yet. So far I think my SLX is similar to the higher priced reels in performance, and I think among the price differences between the Curado and SLX are the cosmetics, the Curado has 6+1 bearings while the SLX has 4+1 bearings, and (I could be incorrect about this), the Curado has a brass pinion gear while the SLX has an aluminum gear.

I started with an SLX DC. I had a $50 gift card from Academy so I got the reel for $140. Perfect entry reel into using DC technology.

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Re: Casting reel [Re: SmalljawNH] #13429758 02/06/20 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SmalljawNH
...........you don't need to spend that much money to learn. A less expensive bait caster spooled with inexpensive mono and a jig is a good start. Set your cast controls and try not to get discouraged. If you blow up a reel, don't worry about it. Everyone does. Eventually you train your thumb and your cast controls and backlash settings will become pretty loose.


I taught my wife and son to use casting equipment just like this ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^.

As silly as it may sound, got yourself a decent 4500CB or 4600CB Ambassadeur, spool it with line, attach a weight of some sort that is about 3/8 ounce, and go in the back yard and have at it.

Start with the cast control cranked down so that you can't throw it very far and slowly loosen it up from there. Within a couple of days you will get the knack of using your thumb to control the spool.

Why do I advocate this method? Because at some point in the near future you will need to know how to "feather" a cast into a tight place by using thumb pressure on the spool. No reel on earth has that built into it. If you start learning by having to use your thumb to control the spool, it will be easier and better in the long run with ANY reel that you may use.


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I have (had, it is now in many pieces) a RYOBI AD5000V reel. It is a deep ā€œVā€ spool reel. Used it to teach many people to cast a bait casting reel. Set the tension on the axel correctly and just fish. Once you learn how to use the V spool the line would loosen up to where you would have to cast to the middle of the lake to reel in and tighten the line on the spool. At that point you were ready for a 4500CB. Only took about 2 to 3 hrs or less to get it. There is one on E-bay now for $49.99.

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Daiwa reels with the SV spool are made to help with that issue. Specifically the Tatula SV is agreat choice to slow down any backlash.

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I'm with Hair Jig.. best place to learn how to use a baitcaster is the back yard. I like to use a plug with the hooks removed.. something big and heavy just so you will get some good results early on. build up your confidence.. but the hardest thing to get used to is clamping down on the spool with your thumb when the bait hits the water/ground. If you have the brake tightened down to do that.. your cast will be about 20' Using your thumb will let you loosen up that brake to the point where you can make a longer cast and work the bait. I learned on an old amb. 5000.. the red one. It took time for sure. learning to use your arm more than your wrist so that the huge torque of the wrist doesn't over spin the spool. Good luck
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Re: Casting reel [Re: kirbydog] #13429889 02/06/20 11:07 PM
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Throwing a bait caster is pretty simple, but there are situations you need to avoid when you are getting started. First, don't try to throw it real hard to start. Just start with a heavy weight that doesn't have much wind drag and cast to the sky at a 45 degree angle. Second, don't try to throw light baits until you get comfortable. Third, don't throw into the wind. Fourth, don't throw blade baits that catch the wind like buzzbaits/large bladed spinner baits.

I would do like others have said and get a cheap black max to start. You can still use that reel later if you decide to get one of the more expensive reels.

I really like my Daiwa Tatula reels. They're as easy to throw as anything I've used.

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Another quick tip for learning to cast with a baitcaster. When you are fully spooled up make a cast and then strip off another 20' or so and then use some electrical or masking tape and then make a full pass around the spool and then wind your line back up. This way if you do backlash you'll just have to pick it out that far!! Has sure helped my wife learn without getting super frustrated!


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