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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: tech] #13403414 01/14/20 01:59 AM
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Where was that, what city.


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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: tech] #13403417 01/14/20 02:00 AM
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Whats sad is we as a society have made it to where cops are scared to shoot even when justified. This is just another example.

Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: COFF] #13403433 01/14/20 02:10 AM
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No good hits on first barrage....and then didn't continue to shoot until threat stopped....almost cost him getting his throat cut.....fyi....even good center hits don't drop them unless you hit the spine or light switch.....y'all probably won't like this, but that was too much restraint that nearly went bad


I was thinking the entire video that they were backing up way too much and giving him too much leeway. Also wasn’t sure if it was a good idea to let it get to the highway.

Once again, it shows I am not equipped for the job y’all do. What you said doesn’t bother me at all. They gave that guy a lot of room. Perhaps too much. It’s a fine line and can change quickly.


Both officers were literally pleading with the guy to stop. And from the sound of their voices, my interpretation is that they genuinely did not want to shoot him.

It looked like right before the first shots that the officer was attempting to holster his gun in order to pull his taser. As soon as the gun was pointing down, the guy charged. After the first series of shots, the officer holstered his weapon and pulled the taser. Then the guy charged a second time and was able to get a chokehold on the officer.

It's hard to criticize any person for being compassionate, especially hard for a cop. But if I'm an LEO supervisor, I would use this as a training point of how NOT to de-escalate a threat. This cop was trying very hard not to shoot a guy and almost got killed for it.

EDIT: Also, is appeared like the second cop only fired when the first cop yelled he's got the gun. Why wasn't the 2nd cop firing the first time the dude charged? Seems like he was a little slow to back up his partner?


I agree they were trying to not shoot him. I wouldn’t want to do it either. But he forced their hand and my question is whether they made the right call backing up all the way to the highway.

Not my call. Like I said, I’m not equipped for all that. I’m glad they weren’t hurt worse and hopefully nobody else was besides the guy on drugs.

The cop that shot told his partner to use less than lethal, if I remember what I heard right.


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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: tech] #13403482 01/14/20 02:36 AM
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Coach....in Texas they didn't have to back up at all...if he was a threat to them, he was a threat to EVERYONE around the area....so they did everything possible and put not only their lives at risk (up to them so whatever) but anyone that could have happened along or been somewhere he came from. What if he turned around and ran back to his apartment? Kills his wife and 3 kids? I hate it, but if they're dangerous and they want to die, do your duty. It happens faster normally....much


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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: Barrett] #13403486 01/14/20 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Barrett
Whats sad is we as a society have made it to where cops are scared to shoot even when justified. This is just another example.


So a cop should kill someone just because its justified?

PSYCHO!

Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: tech] #13403487 01/14/20 02:39 AM
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I’m hoping txmaster will weigh in on my question of proper protocol and why they were retreating.

Never mind, we must have been posting at the same time. So, in Texas the officer wouldn’t retreat but handle up on the spot?

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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: crankn101] #13403492 01/14/20 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by crankn101
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Whats sad is we as a society have made it to where cops are scared to shoot even when justified. This is just another example.


So a cop should kill someone just because its justified?

PSYCHO!


Idiot... Did you even watch the video in question?


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That's crazy glad that officer had help or that could have been bad. I don't think I would have holstered my gun.
LEO is not a job I think I'm wired for, much respect for those that put their lives on the line everyday.

Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: crankn101] #13403531 01/14/20 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by crankn101
Originally Posted by Barrett
Whats sad is we as a society have made it to where cops are scared to shoot even when justified. This is just another example.


So a cop should kill someone just because its justified?

PSYCHO!

If there was an actual penalty for not complying with police orders, maybe we would have an entire generation of leftist idiots that think it's ok to disobey and then complain about the results.

No, I don't think cops should shoot because it's justified - they should shoot because there is a threat to their safety or public safety. This video shows cops who gave way too much leniency to this guy. They should have stood there and shot him when he got too close the first time. But I understand that they have to live with it as well.

I've looked at almost every questionable shooting that's commonly brought up by the left and there have been only one or two where the cop legit shot a person who hadn't disobeyed them and wasn't even remotely a risk. Most of the shootings that the leftists argue about are someone who directly disobeyed LEO commands and then did something that made the officer believe they could be a threat. I'm sorry, but if you disobey a cop, you've already proven that you're willing to break the law, which essentially makes you a threat if you do anything like put your hand in your pocket or anywhere that you could be hiding a gun, or if you get too close to an officer to use any type of physical force. In those situations, I absolutely believe the officer has a right to eliminate the threat so he can still go home to his family at night. The idea that we should cater to people who don't want to obey the law is pure insanity.


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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: Coach Hark] #13403534 01/14/20 03:06 AM
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I’m hoping txmaster will weigh in on my question of proper protocol and why they were retreating.

Never mind, we must have been posting at the same time. So, in Texas the officer wouldn’t retreat but handle up on the spot?


I was fine with 20 seconds of backing up and pleading.....the highway opened up so many bad things they should have stopped, gotten squared up, and front sight press....


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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: crankn101] #13403536 01/14/20 03:08 AM
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Whats sad is we as a society have made it to where cops are scared to shoot even when justified. This is just another example.


So a cop should kill someone just because its justified?

PSYCHO!


Is this a real question? Cops should ONLY shoot people when it's justified.... by the penal code and then policy


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Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: crankn101] #13403540 01/14/20 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by crankn101
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Whats sad is we as a society have made it to where cops are scared to shoot even when justified. This is just another example.


So a cop should kill someone just because its justified?

PSYCHO!


Did you and I watch a different video? It was justified about 15 seconds in and an officer almost lost his life because they waited so long AND his partner decided not to fire....

Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: Tallgrass05] #13403556 01/14/20 03:22 AM
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No stopping power on the cop's pistol?


No, they all went back to using 9mm ammo so there is less recoil. Burdening the cop with recoil from his gun would have been an unpleasant experience.

Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: tech] #13403572 01/14/20 03:32 AM
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👍to the boys in blue, could not do your job w the BS that comes w it. Thanks.

Re: Why officers shoot... [Re: Uncle Zeek] #13403606 01/14/20 03:42 AM
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Yup. I believe that most police shootings are necessary. Certainly, some are unjustified, and some are flat-out wrong. But what are your options when a knife-wielding maniac charges you?






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