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Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: Stump jumper] #13393393 01/05/20 02:13 PM
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GM I think makes a good vehicle, but they went down on my list when they shut several of their US plants down and shifted their production of their small suv's to China. The small one GM is now selling is 96% made in China. It could be a very well made vehicle. Im sure they will make more models in the future over there as well. Normally I would just consider that is just business. But they took $9 billion in US tax payers dollars a few years back to bale them out. Dodge did too but they expanded their US facilities. I know GM did not have to pay the money back, but that's our govt. stupid fault. So no GM's in my driveway unless their competitors quit making trucks.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Let’s see:

1986 Chevy K10, cracked a block.
1998 Chevrolet k2500, broke a crankshaft at 40k miles, I had to pay for the entire new block & assembly.
2001 Chevrolet 1500, multiple front end replacements and clattered like a diesel the entire time I owned it.
2007 Chevrolet Tahoe, heads locked up at 25k miles.

2005 Dodge 2500, multiple rear axle seals replaced. Rear brakes replaced multiple times and spent 3 months at the dealership for warranty work the first year.

2000 Dodge 2500, damn good truck.

2012 F350, 1 sensor replaced under warranty and ZERO shop time at 95k miles.
2012 Ford Explorer, zero shop time while owned for 3 years.
2018 F150, zero shop time at 13k miles.


Multiple Mercedes cars & suvs with zero shop time while owned as well.


Seems that I get the good fords and crappy Chevrolet’s.

not sure why you would even mention a truck that is probably a year old and has 13k on the odometer. Oh I guess since it is a Ford that is not the norm.


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Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: Stump jumper] #13395040 01/07/20 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Stump jumper
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Let’s see:

1986 Chevy K10, cracked a block.
1998 Chevrolet k2500, broke a crankshaft at 40k miles, I had to pay for the entire new block & assembly.
2001 Chevrolet 1500, multiple front end replacements and clattered like a diesel the entire time I owned it.
2007 Chevrolet Tahoe, heads locked up at 25k miles.

2005 Dodge 2500, multiple rear axle seals replaced. Rear brakes replaced multiple times and spent 3 months at the dealership for warranty work the first year.

2000 Dodge 2500, damn good truck.

2012 F350, 1 sensor replaced under warranty and ZERO shop time at 95k miles.
2012 Ford Explorer, zero shop time while owned for 3 years.
2018 F150, zero shop time at 13k miles.


Multiple Mercedes cars & suvs with zero shop time while owned as well.


Seems that I get the good fords and crappy Chevrolet’s.

not sure why you would even mention a truck that is probably a year old and has 13k on the odometer. Oh I guess since it is a Ford that is not the norm.



According to you, all they do is break down and have multiple recalls. popcorn It also gets 23mpg while being 4wd...But I guess you could pull a space shuttle with that 14mpg getting beast of yours. roflmao


Edit: I might have you mixed up with one of the other Ford haters, are you the one that had an Explorer with issues?

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Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: Stump jumper] #13395438 01/07/20 01:28 PM
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I think his 1980 F150's paint faded, or something like that.

Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: grout-scout] #13395758 01/07/20 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by Stump jumper
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Let’s see:

1986 Chevy K10, cracked a block.
1998 Chevrolet k2500, broke a crankshaft at 40k miles, I had to pay for the entire new block & assembly.
2001 Chevrolet 1500, multiple front end replacements and clattered like a diesel the entire time I owned it.
2007 Chevrolet Tahoe, heads locked up at 25k miles.

2005 Dodge 2500, multiple rear axle seals replaced. Rear brakes replaced multiple times and spent 3 months at the dealership for warranty work the first year.

2000 Dodge 2500, damn good truck.

2012 F350, 1 sensor replaced under warranty and ZERO shop time at 95k miles.
2012 Ford Explorer, zero shop time while owned for 3 years.
2018 F150, zero shop time at 13k miles.


Multiple Mercedes cars & suvs with zero shop time while owned as well.


Seems that I get the good fords and crappy Chevrolet’s.

not sure why you would even mention a truck that is probably a year old and has 13k on the odometer. Oh I guess since it is a Ford that is not the norm.



According to you, all they do is break down and have multiple recalls. popcorn It also gets 23mpg while being 4wd...But I guess you could pull a space shuttle with that 14mpg getting beast of yours. roflmao


Edit: I might have you mixed up with one of the other Ford haters, are you the one that had an Explorer with issues?

I have never owned an Explorer and not sure where you get 14 MPGs from. Mine does quite a bit better. At least Tundra owners will publish accurate MPG numbers while some Ford owners seem to overstate theirs. Tundra owners know the MPGs are at the bottom end of the category. They buy for resale, reliability, and to avoid being Found On Road Dead.


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Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: TomRom] #13395816 01/07/20 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TomRom
GM I think makes a good vehicle, but they went down on my list when they shut several of their US plants down and shifted their production of their small suv's to China. The small one GM is now selling is 96% made in China. It could be a very well made vehicle. Im sure they will make more models in the future over there as well. Normally I would just consider that is just business. But they took $9 billion in US tax payers dollars a few years back to bale them out. Dodge did too but they expanded their US facilities. I know GM did not have to pay the money back, but that's our govt. stupid fault. So no GM's in my driveway unless their competitors quit making trucks.



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Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: Stump jumper] #13396480 01/08/20 04:09 AM
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Stump, what was your Ford beef again then if you weren’t the Explorer crying guy? As far as fuel mileage, well, there’s liars in all the bunches. For example, my f350 6.7L only gets 13.5-14.5 mpg average and some will claim theirs gets 19mpg. But that’s nothing new, same thing happened when I owned my 5.9 Cummins.

But my f150 does get 23mpg, so.......I’m not sure if it’ll pull a space shuttle or not though, that’s those impressive things that makes people buy Tundras.


So again, remind us all why we shouldn’t ever buy Ford products?

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I'm a Ford guy. No particular reason, just always have been. Only had 2 major issues. Wife's old Expedition was a 2008 I think with that 5.4 dual cam motor. One of those cam sensors or whatever they are called went out. It was a pretty common issue. At the time mechanics didn't want to mess with it. And Ford wanted a ton to fix it. They actually gave me good trade in value so I bought an Explorer. It's 5.5 years old and no issues. 17.8 mpg. 99% city driven or the mileage would be better.

I have a 2007 F150. 108K miles. Just had my first problem. Put it in reverse a couple days ago and heard a loud pop. Then it wouldn't go into reverse. Blew out some rear cup/seal thingamabob in the tranny. I was actually at Ford when it happened dropping my wife off to pick up her car form an oil change. Ford doesn't do rebuilds and wanted $4,300.00 to put in a remanufactured tranny. Took it to my local transmission shop. They rebuilt it for $1,400.00 and gave me a 12/12 warranty. I have no idea what the gas mileage is on it. It's doesn't have the fancy digital display telling me and I don't care to calculate it myself.


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Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: Stump jumper] #13397734 01/09/20 12:29 PM
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This thread reminds me how glad I am to have left a life of management in the world of Ford.

I still drive them because that’s what I know but owning an auto parts store I can tell you they AAAALLLLL have issues!

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I've owned 1 vehicle in my life that wasn't Ford. Never had any problems. I will keep buying Ford

Re: Why no one should ever buy a Ford product [Re: Tiltman] #13397828 01/09/20 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltman
This thread reminds me how glad I am to have left a life of management in the world of Ford.

I still drive them because that’s what I know but owning an auto parts store I can tell you they AAAALLLLL have issues!


I worked parts counter with Western Auto for 13 yrs back in the 80s’ and 90s’ before Sears changed name to Parts America and sold us to Advanced Auto . And i totally agree they ALLLLLLLL do have issues !!


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Originally Posted by Dubee
I've owned 1 vehicle in my life that wasn't Ford. Never had any problems. I will keep buying Ford

I have a ford and like it, its been good. My brother has a very similar vehicle only a couple model years older. He's on his second transmission, a head gasket went, oil leaks, window motors etc. He is still happy with his.

In the end there is some luck involved and I believe the rest is how you treat them. For years we drove nothing but fords with great luck till a ford dealer pissed dad off then it was GM's same deal, nearly 2 decades of great luck and great vehicles. Now we have a mixed bag of RAM's GM's and Fords.... guess what they are all solid reliable low cost low problems vehicles.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Stump, what was your Ford beef again then if you weren’t the Explorer crying guy? As far as fuel mileage, well, there’s liars in all the bunches. For example, my f350 6.7L only gets 13.5-14.5 mpg average and some will claim theirs gets 19mpg. But that’s nothing new, same thing happened when I owned my 5.9 Cummins.

But my f150 does get 23mpg, so.......I’m not sure if it’ll pull a space shuttle or not though, that’s those impressive things that makes people buy Tundras.


So again, remind us all why we shouldn’t ever buy Ford products?

It is in my first post. At one time Ford was a fairly honest company but I have lost trust in them. I had a F150 that they stripped and repainted even though it was no one of the covered colors. I had another newer that had a known problem with the roof design and the paint. During the process of trying to get them to take care of it a Ford CSR lied to me. Then their was the SA Ford rep that stated I was lucky to make it to 40k on lower ball joints. That one was when I decided to buy a Toyota.


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I have never replace a ball joint on any Ford that I have ever owned, not the Ranger, not the 2 Explorers, not the 3 F150's and not the 2 F250's and not the 2 Expeditions. Nor have I had any trouble with paint. I do remember in the late 90's when the GM trucks were losing paint off the hood every time somebody would take it through a car wash. They blamed bad primer.

And I'm thinking there may be something to Toyota's reputation for poor economy. Pretty much every mid size SUV I've been in over the last decade would get 23-26 MPG at interstate speeds (Explorer, Escape, Traverse, Equinox, Journey, even the wife's GC). Took my new 2020 4Runner on a 110 round mile trip....17 mpg. That's worse than the full size Tahoe I've driven. Probably wouldn't bother me if it was a hot engine but it's pretty gutless.

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I have never replace a ball joint on any Ford that I have ever owned, not the Ranger, not the 2 Explorers, not the 3 F150's and not the 2 F250's and not the 2 Expeditions. Nor have I had any trouble with paint. I do remember in the late 90's when the GM trucks were losing paint off the hood every time somebody would take it through a car wash. They blamed bad primer.

And I'm thinking there may be something to Toyota's reputation for poor economy. Pretty much every mid size SUV I've been in over the last decade would get 23-26 MPG at interstate speeds (Explorer, Escape, Traverse, Equinox, Journey, even the wife's GC). Took my new 2020 4Runner on a 110 round mile trip....17 mpg. That's worse than the full size Tahoe I've driven. Probably wouldn't bother me if it was a hot engine but it's pretty gutless.


Other than my 66 Mustang and 1975 F100 I had to replace the upper control arm bushings on my 97 F150 but it only had 175,000 miles on it and I had all of the wear and tear parts replace on it. My 06 I traded in on a 2015 and it had 180,000 miles and I had to have the rear pinion seal replaced at 150,000 miles. Out of all of the vehicles I've owned never had anything major issues other than normal maintenance and wear and tear on aged vehicles. I had a 1978 Thunderbird that the transmission was rebuilt on other than that had a 79 GMC that some zit faced idiot at the lumber store loaded bags of concrete in and the frame sagged and an Company furnished 86 Chevy truck that kept cracking the flywheel. I did have a 1998 E250 Work vehicle that the catalytic converter plugged up the muffler and killed the engine and it started leaking antifreeze but Ford replaced the engine because it only had 1000 miles on it. Ford's response was proactive so that never stopped me from buying another Ford for me personally. PS our company has been using Ford trucks and Vans for as long as we have been in business, something like 40 years.


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