I agree. I am lazy though and am friends with a service advisor at a Toyota dealership.. for 8 quarts full synthetic and filter a tire rotation with psi adjusted and fluids checked plus less than an hour of my time for 80 $ I am a going this route

You never miss an opportunity to post on tundra low mpg..why cant you realize SOME people don't buy vehicles because they just get a high mpg ?

Why would anyone mind changing cartridge filter, especially if they have their oil changed by someone else.

I change the oil on my wife's Toyota Highlander (just so you know - I'm not anti-Toyota). The cartridge filter sucks compared to normal spin-on filters like everyone else uses. I've broken 2 or 3 tools over the last 6 years doing them, and they always take longer than any other vehicle I've done.

Also, let's be clear - Toyotas do break down. Just not as much as other brands. I've at 67k miles in my Ram 1500 and literally never had a single issue with it. About to trade it in for something else and already been offered $10k less than what I paid for it new. Not bad for nearly a 4 year old pickup.



Goodness, I tried to be as kind as I could be. They're the only half ton without a V8 that can get 20+ mpg, and it's not like they're close. They get around 17 mpg if you take it easy on the pedal. But they're reliable and hold value well, and that's all some folks are looking for.

If you gave me the choice between buying extra features, going on an extra vacation, etc., or paying for thousands more in gas, I'd for sure rather not buy a bunch of extra gas for no reason.

I didn't mention it in my first post since I was trying to be kind, but Toyotas also ride like carp. I had to sell my dad's 2013 Tundra awhile back and ended up driving it to meet potential buyers a couple times and it drove like it had no suspension at all compared to my 2016 Ram 1500.

I have nothing against Toyotas, really. My wife loves her HL, and my dad loved his Tundra. But he bought a new 2019 Ram 1500 and it's light years ahead of the Toyota. The Toyota didn't even have automatic headlights for crying out loud. Just because they're the most reliable doesn't make them the best truck - if they cost you more in gas, more up front in purchase price, have less features, and have poor ride quality, those are all things potential buyers should be able to weigh against marginal differences in reliability. It's 2019, and all major brands build good pickups. Toyota just charges more and includes less features, and makes you pay more to run it. The choice is up to you on what to buy.
I do my own oil changes. I don't trust dealers to perform basic, but critical, maintenance on my many-thousand-dollar pieces of equipment. Toyota of Rockwall over-filled my transmission fluid last time I was there.

Patriot, run those numbers, I bet you're wrong. I rather pay fuel than down time, maintenance, etc. Plus they hold value very well. I change the oil in our toyotas, takes about 20 minutes while drinking a beer.

And I stand by my statement..you just cant resist

Weird how that works. Some people aren’t obsessed with mileage.

I'm an engineer, so I have a spreadsheet for everything. The amount you spend on gas is monumental compared to maintenance, down time, etc. on modern vehicles. Tundra owners choose to pay it in return for the benefits they enjoy in owning a Tundra, which is fine. But it doesn't mean the numbers don't still add up against it.

They do hold value well, but again, in 2019, if you get a good deal on a pickup, they all hold value pretty well. This isn't 2005 when Ram couldn't make a dash that didn't crack, Ford couldn't make a transmission that held up past 100k miles, and Chevy couldn't make a half ton with any type of reasonable towing capability. This is 2019, and Toyota infotainment systems are crazy outdated, their interiors look like Ram from 2012 (and Chevy/Ford from 2015), their engine power numbers are just ok, their efficiency is the lowest in class, and their prices are the highest. They need some major updates and they'll be right back on track.

FWIW, my dad got his 2019 Ram 1500 from Oklahoma City and got 25 mpg driving from there to Lindale. Towed his 6,500 lb trailer to Broken Bow today with no issues. Toyota is very capable of similar performance - they just need to spend some R&D and get it done.

Just for some quick numbers though - let's look at the first 100k miles:

Ram Ecodiesel (what I own) at 28 mpg on $2.50/gallon fuel - total fuel cost = $8,928
Toyota Tundra at 17 mpg on $2.10/gallon fuel - total fuel cost = $12,352
Total savings = $3,425

If fuel prices go back to 2009 values at $4 for regular and $4.50 for diesel, the total savings increases to $7,458.

Not trying to be rude, but I've definitely run the numbers a hundred different ways on this, and the cost of Tundra ownership far exceeds the rest unless you factor in major repairs for other brands but not for the Tundra.

I bet you are the life of the party.

I bet you are the life of the party.

I do agree with this - Tundras are great trucks for folks not interested in knowing the total cost of ownership.

I'm an engineer, so I have a spreadsheet for everything. The amount you spend on gas is monumental compared to maintenance, down time, etc. on modern vehicles. Tundra owners choose to pay it in return for the benefits they enjoy in owning a Tundra, which is fine. But it doesn't mean the numbers don't still add up against it.

They do hold value well, but again, in 2019, if you get a good deal on a pickup, they all hold value pretty well. This isn't 2005 when Ram couldn't make a dash that didn't crack, Ford couldn't make a transmission that held up past 100k miles, and Chevy couldn't make a half ton with any type of reasonable towing capability. This is 2019, and Toyota infotainment systems are crazy outdated, their interiors look like Ram from 2012 (and Chevy/Ford from 2015), their engine power numbers are just ok, their efficiency is the lowest in class, and their prices are the highest. They need some major updates and they'll be right back on track.

FWIW, my dad got his 2019 Ram 1500 from Oklahoma City and got 25 mpg driving from there to Lindale. Towed his 6,500 lb trailer to Broken Bow today with no issues. Toyota is very capable of similar performance - they just need to spend some R&D and get it done.

Just for some quick numbers though - let's look at the first 100k miles:

Ram Ecodiesel (what I own) at 28 mpg on $2.50/gallon fuel - total fuel cost = $8,928
Toyota Tundra at 17 mpg on $2.10/gallon fuel - total fuel cost = $12,352
Total savings = $3,425

If fuel prices go back to 2009 values at $4 for regular and $4.50 for diesel, the total savings increases to $7,458.

Not trying to be rude, but I've definitely run the numbers a hundred different ways on this, and the cost of Tundra ownership far exceeds the rest unless you factor in major repairs for other brands but not for the Tundra.

Can you run that spreadsheet with my costs? Run the cost of gas as $0.00 and let me know what you come up with.