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 Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Brent S]
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12/17/19 10:57 PM
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I am sure Duckett and the other fifteen will screw FLW up too.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Brent S]
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12/17/19 11:04 PM
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""Well one thing is you can tell Duckett is a doosh just by looking at him and observing him. Easy to criticize.""
totally unjustified comments like the one above is the reason we rarely can get professional fishermen to join in discussions on fishing forums....
I am not a personal friend of Boyd Duckett but I have met him and he seemed to be a really nice guy...I fished against him for a few years in redman/BFL tournys also know a few guys who were personal friends with Boyd and they spoke highly of him....
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: criglizard]
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12/18/19 01:09 AM
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Good luck to all of our anglers fishing with them. Hopefully they will honor all their commitments they make to you. After seeing how they are doing the Costa anglers I have my doubts. What's up with the Costa anglers? They getting treated unfair now? The 12 anglers that got screwed out of 10k and a shot at 300k. One our long time members is one of the 12. He made a post about it but not many care to say a word bad about MLF even if they did these guys wrong. Blame FLW for not requiring MLF to hold up the promises FLW made. MLF did not make that deal. Wrong of you to imply that simply because they bought a struggling company, they should have to honor deals (good or bad) they didn't create or agree to. You yourself, go buy a struggling company and then agree to uphold whatever weak/bad/awful terms they've agreed to with vendors, employees, or contractors. Tell us how it feels to write a check for $120k simply because the struggling company you bought "promised" it. There you go again using common sense.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: criglizard]
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12/18/19 01:51 AM
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Pure speculation here but I wonder if FLW was even in a position to make the Championship happen and pay out those guarantees hence why they sold out to MLF? Others on here have stated that FLW was in a very poor financial situation so it could have played a role in it. That would seem to make more sense that MLF buying them only to remove that from the people who have already qualified for it. Otherwise, this looks like a typical "hostile" take over to me which happens every day in the business world especially on the PE side where they are constantly looking for struggling companies that have potential to come in a take over, then pump and dump. The guys saying that FLW was folding are the same guys that believe everything that Duckett says. Boyd could jump off of a bridge and these guys would follow him. There hasn’t been anything truthful said by Duckett so far, other than “this a competition against BASS”. One problem with your perspective. Either FLW was financially weak (very likely) and sold because they weren't going to make it. "Cash out while you can" mentality. Or....FLW was financially strong/stable and sold to MLF anyways, meaning MLF has a pile of cash to buy a business that is doing well. Also meaning that MLF is very deeply rooted into making this all work. So...as one of the top MLF haters on this site, you are either saying FLW was weak or FLW was strong, making MLF also strong (which you have repeatedly said is not the case). I can assure you that FLW didn't sell out of the kindness of their heart. So which is it? I would go with stable. Now if they weren’t listening to their anglers on the advisory board and their checks were bouncing and they had filed for bankruptcy, then you might have a claim for them being weak. But none of that happened. As far as selling??? Jacobs killed himself and the kids may have been wanting out of it. Not a big surprise there, that they didn’t want the business, just some quick money. If they were hurting so badly, why didn’t Jacobs sale it a year before his death, would have made more sense? Boyd has said that he tried to buy it a year or so before Jacobs death. I don’t recall ever saying mlf wasn’t “strong”, I said their format sucks and I’m not a fan of Boyd’s snake oil salesmenship. We know who the money man is in their business and it’s not the anglers, if their money man goes, the business goes. Therefore, you could say they might be weak. If you want to see how well they are doing, get Boyd to drop that $50k penalty for leaving and see what happens.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: beartrap]
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12/18/19 02:47 AM
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""Well one thing is you can tell Duckett is a doosh just by looking at him and observing him. Easy to criticize.""
totally unjustified comments like the one above is the reason we rarely can get professional fishermen to join in discussions on fishing forums....
I am not a personal friend of Boyd Duckett but I have met him and he seemed to be a really nice guy...I fished against him for a few years in redman/BFL tournys also know a few guys who were personal friends with Boyd and they spoke highly of him....
Don't you know Boyd is the devil. He forced Nixon and Houston to retire from pro fishing. And all of BPT is socialist. They want to get paid for doing nothing
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Brent S]
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12/18/19 04:07 AM
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""Well one thing is you can tell Duckett is a doosh just by looking at him and observing him. Easy to criticize.""
totally unjustified comments like the one above is the reason we rarely can get professional fishermen to join in discussions on fishing forums....
I am not a personal friend of Boyd Duckett but I have met him and he seemed to be a really nice guy...I fished against him for a few years in redman/BFL tournys also know a few guys who were personal friends with Boyd and they spoke highly of him....
Don't you know Boyd is the devil. He forced Nixon and Houston to retire from pro fishing. And all of BPT is socialist. They want to get paid for doing nothing Looks like Nixon will still fish some events next year with MLFLW if he recovers in time from getting his shoulder cut on.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Shallow Waters]
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12/18/19 04:16 AM
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There needs to be some separation between what we consider a hobby and what others are trying to make a profession. Some of you talk about this like it is a hobby and then try to talk about it as an anglers profession. Well, which one is it? If MLF or BASS are a profession, then shouldnt they be about the money? I personally plan and hope to make more and more money at my profession. I also expect others to feel the same way, and even plan for my competitors to have the same goals. Who doesnt want to make more money? If I was smart enough, or had the connections, to come up with my own way to get a bigger piece of the pie, then you can bet I would jump on it. My profession provides for family, and I would burn down* all my competitors to provide for my family.
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*Burn down - not meant literally for those to sensitive to get the context I dont think anybody considers it wrong for them to be about the money. Just dont feed a line of b.s. instead of the truth. I would have much more respect for a guy that looked in a camera and said "we want to make our anglers rich and this is how we want to do it" instead of sprinkling some sugar on a pile of [censored]. But that's not how businesses work. Every businesses goal is to make money, but they don't put that in their mission statement. Very true. It wouldn't bother me if they did though. It's just my opinion, and just that, that I think the way Duckett and MLF has went about getting this going isnt up to par with me. Now, am I mad at any of them for leaving or whatever, no. It truly has no effect on me other than being a topic of discussion. I have the opinion that you have to at least have an event before you can claim to be the best. Just little stuff like that seems stupid to me. Let the product do the talking
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: SC-001]
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12/18/19 11:16 AM
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""Well one thing is you can tell Duckett is a doosh just by looking at him and observing him. Easy to criticize.""
totally unjustified comments like the one above is the reason we rarely can get professional fishermen to join in discussions on fishing forums....
I am not a personal friend of Boyd Duckett but I have met him and he seemed to be a really nice guy...I fished against him for a few years in redman/BFL tournys also know a few guys who were personal friends with Boyd and they spoke highly of him....
Don't you know Boyd is the devil. He forced Nixon and Houston to retire from pro fishing. And all of BPT is socialist. They want to get paid for doing nothing Looks like Nixon will still fish some events next year with MLFLW if he recovers in time from getting his shoulder cut on. It was sarcasm because grout tried to to tell everyone that. Even though both of them could fish flw or the elites. Just more made up anti MLF bs
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Dubee]
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12/18/19 12:48 PM
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Don't you know Boyd is the devil. He forced Nixon and Houston to retire from pro fishing. And all of BPT is socialist. They want to get paid for doing nothing
Looks like Nixon will still fish some events next year with MLFLW if he recovers in time from getting his shoulder cut on. It was sarcasm because grout tried to to tell everyone that. Even though both of them could fish flw or the elites. Just more made up anti MLF bs I was just repeating what he said on a podcast, Larry said he didn’t have any sponsors to cover his entry fees and he was sitting it out. Neither he or Houston can fish the elites though, the Opens, yes. It is interesting that FLW must have made some big changes, because there’s another guy on the list that said he wasn’t going to fish FLW again, but now he is.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: grout-scout]
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12/18/19 12:55 PM
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Don't you know Boyd is the devil. He forced Nixon and Houston to retire from pro fishing. And all of BPT is socialist. They want to get paid for doing nothing
Looks like Nixon will still fish some events next year with MLFLW if he recovers in time from getting his shoulder cut on. It was sarcasm because grout tried to to tell everyone that. Even though both of them could fish flw or the elites. Just more made up anti MLF bs I was just repeating what he said on a podcast, Larry said he didn’t have any sponsors to cover his entry fees and he was sitting it out. Neither he or Houston can fish the elites though, the Opens, yes. It is interesting that FLW must have made some big changes, because there’s another guy on the list that said he wasn’t going to fish FLW again, but now he is. Both of them could have used a legend exemption to fish the elites. Houston is a 2 time aoy. I think Nixon has a classic and aoy. They both have more legend points than Brandon.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Frank the Tank]
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12/18/19 01:17 PM
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why all this criticism of Duckett?.....he had the foresight to recognize that there was an opportunity to provide much needed programing for outdoor channels,something that BASS never recognized nor took advantage of....
Boyd and several others came up with major league fishing and in a few short years,it became the most popular outdoor TV program out there....popular enough that both CBS and the Discovery channel saw the growth of high school and college fishing and realized the sport was growing and there would be a need for even more coverage of tournament fishing....
keep in mind most outdoor fishing/hunting shows are only 30 minutes long and TV networks run 24 hours a day/7 days a week....that's 168 hours each and every week the network has to show something interesting or they will lose their audience...
again Boyd and several other fishermen recognized the need for this programming and they are providing it....and like professional golfers, they saw an opportunity to sell their fishing skills and name recognition to the networks without having the owners of a middleman tournament organization siphon off a large share of the profits...
again if major league fishing continues to grow in popularity,there's going to be a lot of today's kids who will thank Boyd Duckett and others for making it possible to earn a good living as a professional fisherman without having to fish for their own entry fees and depend on family money to be a pro fisherman... Well one thing is you can tell Duckett is a doosh just by looking at him and observing him. Easy to criticize. Sorry all. I should have just kept my mouth shut. Was just trying to be funny and it didn’t work. I don’t know BD nor have I seen him in person - failed attempt at humor. Plus I don’t really care about all this as I’m not a professional fisherman. Best of luck figuring all this out.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Dubee]
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12/18/19 01:25 PM
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[quote=Dubee][quote=Legend LE-195][quote=Dubee]
Don't you know Boyd is the devil. He forced Nixon and Houston to retire from pro fishing. And all of BPT is socialist. They want to get paid for doing nothing Both of them could have used a legend exemption to fish the elites. Houston is a 2 time aoy. I think Nixon has a classic and aoy. They both have more legend points than Brandon. But you have to keep in mind that these exemptions are for the “elites”, those 2 didn't fish when it was called that. Anyways I’m glad to see that it worked out for Larry, growing up I always thought he was awesome.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: grout-scout]
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12/18/19 01:28 PM
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[quote=Dubee][quote=Legend LE-195][quote=Dubee]
Don't you know Boyd is the devil. He forced Nixon and Houston to retire from pro fishing. And all of BPT is socialist. They want to get paid for doing nothing Both of them could have used a legend exemption to fish the elites. Houston is a 2 time aoy. I think Nixon has a classic and aoy. They both have more legend points than Brandon. But you have to keep in mind that these exemptions are for the “elites”, those 2 didn't fish when it was called that. Anyways I’m glad to see that it worked out for Larry, growing up I always thought he was awesome. Wrong, it's for anyone who has ever fished BASS.
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Frank the Tank]
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12/18/19 01:50 PM
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why all this criticism of Duckett?.....he had the foresight to recognize that there was an opportunity to provide much needed programing for outdoor channels,something that BASS never recognized nor took advantage of....
Boyd and several others came up with major league fishing and in a few short years,it became the most popular outdoor TV program out there....popular enough that both CBS and the Discovery channel saw the growth of high school and college fishing and realized the sport was growing and there would be a need for even more coverage of tournament fishing....
keep in mind most outdoor fishing/hunting shows are only 30 minutes long and TV networks run 24 hours a day/7 days a week....that's 168 hours each and every week the network has to show something interesting or they will lose their audience...
again Boyd and several other fishermen recognized the need for this programming and they are providing it....and like professional golfers, they saw an opportunity to sell their fishing skills and name recognition to the networks without having the owners of a middleman tournament organization siphon off a large share of the profits...
again if major league fishing continues to grow in popularity,there's going to be a lot of today's kids who will thank Boyd Duckett and others for making it possible to earn a good living as a professional fisherman without having to fish for their own entry fees and depend on family money to be a pro fisherman... Well one thing is you can tell Duckett is a doosh just by looking at him and observing him. Easy to criticize. Sorry all. I should have just kept my mouth shut. Was just trying to be funny and it didn’t work. I don’t know BD nor have I seen him in person - failed attempt at humor. Plus I don’t really care about all this as I’m not a professional fisherman. Best of luck figuring all this out. ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2019/12/full-72311-33434-f9dca823570d51c1ffea3fbb4b72cc4f.jpg)
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Re: FLW Pro Tour Roster
[Re: Brent S]
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12/18/19 01:53 PM
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